Lesser Gem of Transmutation

Xith

What are the chances of a cheaper Gem to simply change your race specialisation, without having the power to chance race?
Obviously I never liked reincarnation in Achaea in the first place, and don't have any intention of changing race, but the specialisations are supposed to allow some fluidity within a single race. I feel like I'm overpaying for an artefact that allows race changes when all I want is to unspecialise.

Kresslack

Xith said:

What are the chances of a cheaper Gem to simply change your race specialisation, without having the power to chance race?
Obviously I never liked reincarnation in Achaea in the first place, and don't have any intention of changing race, but the specialisations are supposed to allow some fluidity within a single race. I feel like I'm overpaying for an artefact that allows race changes when all I want is to unspecialise.

Dagger of Reincarnation is pretty cheap. If you're wanting to change specialisation for your race that often, invest in the gem. Doesn't seem like it needs to be brought down.

Taraza

I had a gem of transmutation for a while. But really it's great I still regret trading mine in. 

Not only does a gem of transmutation actually let you reincarnation into different races once per day. 

But let's say that you actually died in combat and need a ressurection and you haven't used your gem, you can actually use them gem for this. 

As Kresslack said though overall, Daggers of Reincarnation are really cheap and can be used to just sacrifice and reincarnate into the same race to redo your specialisaiton. 

Xith

How bout Dagger of Reiteration - special artefact that urges people to read the original post again.

Like obviously I plan to change specs more than 10 times, so I'm not buying a Dagger every month. I'm just never going to change race.

Amarillys

If you think about it, the gem has only ever been about changing stats anyways. Back when all the races had set stats, you bought it to change to what you needed, plus maybe a couple of extra little features, but the stats have always been the big change as far as I understand. Don't get me wrong, I think a lesser gem would be useful, especially with multi-class coming out where change stats will likely be a lot more easily accessible, but I still think it is worth noting that just changing your specialisation is largely what the gem has always done. Just my two cents.

Antonius

There's no mechanical concept of changing/removing your racial specialisation, though. There's only reincarnating, either to a new race or the same one you currently are, and they both cost exactly the same amount; reverting your racial specialisation is simply a by product of that action.

Doesn't seem like it's worth the effort to create the mechanics to only revert racial specialisation as well as the artefact, just because you don't like the price of the current one, even though you've admitted you'll change specs more than enough times to earn back the initial cost.

Kresslack

Xith said:

How bout Dagger of Reiteration - special artefact that urges people to read the original post again.

Like obviously I plan to change specs more than 10 times, so I'm not buying a Dagger every month. I'm just never going to change race.

How about a Dagger of Redundancy, where people stop making suggestions for redundant artefacts and stop being cheap and just invested in the artefacts already available for the abilities they're requesting?

Xith

How bout Dagger of Redacted, where I can't safely express how I really feel about your missing the point.
You can just go away if you don't understand.

Kresslack

No, the point seems pretty clear: You're requesting a new (cheaper) artefact to do what an already present (and cheap) artefact allows you to easily do, based on your dislike of Reincarnation as a game mechanic. Thus, I counter-offer with a proposal for a Brooch of Bias. You can just overlook comments and criticism you don't agree with.

Nim

Since @Kresslack seems to be using it so well, I see IRE finally added the pendant of passive aggressive forum posts. I'd get one too but I'm way too pro for arties.

Trey

We get it, @Xith, we just don't agree that it's necessary.  One-time trait resets are 100cr, one-time reincarnation (which can do exactly what you want) are 100cr. What makes you think a racial respecialisation (something an existing artefact is capable of) wouldn't be 100cr, and thus redundant? 

If an artefact for specialisation swapping like gem of reinc, same argument applies on a larger scale. 

Kresslack

Nim said:

Since @Kresslack seems to be using it so well, I see IRE finally added the pendant of passive aggressive forum posts. I'd get one too but I'm way too pro for arties.

Ah, alas, is that the Iridescent Armband of Irony I see tucked away amongst your regular accoutrements? How scandalous!

Nim

Kresslack said:

Nim said:

Since @Kresslack seems to be using it so well, I see IRE finally added the pendant of passive aggressive forum posts. I'd get one too but I'm way too pro for arties.

Ah, alas, is that the Iridescent Armband of Irony I see tucked away amongst your regular accoutrements? How scandalous!

I am opposed to veils, wings, rings, and pendants, but bands are OK.

Silas

Calling any Achaean artefact cheap is laughable in the extreme (a gem to change your race/specialisation is $300), but I agree with the underlying point that this request is unnecessary.

Kresslack

Silas said:

Calling any Achaean artefact cheap is laughable in the extreme (a gem to change your race/specialisation is $300), but I agree with the underlying point that this request is unnecessary.

The Dagger of Reincarnation ($39.99 if you buy it outright) is what was being called cheap (and it is), because it's 1/10th the price of a gem.

Nim

I think something like this, modeled with multiclass, may be a good idea, since classes have significantly different stat needs, and some people might want a way to deal with that without the full gem perks.

Jacen

Kresslack said:

Silas said:

Calling any Achaean artefact cheap is laughable in the extreme (a gem to change your race/specialisation is $300), but I agree with the underlying point that this request is unnecessary.

The Dagger of Reincarnation ($39.99 if you buy it outright) is what was being called cheap (and it is), because it's 1/10th the price of a gem.

Hardly makes it cheap. The existence of the Ferrari doesn't mean a Corvette is cheap, only cheaper.

Kresslack

Jacen said:

Kresslack said:

Silas said:

Calling any Achaean artefact cheap is laughable in the extreme (a gem to change your race/specialisation is $300), but I agree with the underlying point that this request is unnecessary.

The Dagger of Reincarnation ($39.99 if you buy it outright) is what was being called cheap (and it is), because it's 1/10th the price of a gem.

Hardly makes it cheap. The existence of the Ferrari doesn't mean a Corvette is cheap, only cheaper.

Lot of ways to relatively quickly net100 credits in game, which is what makes it cheap. Complete one trade deal for a Mayan Crown and you're about halfway there!

Xith

Xith said:

What are the chances of a cheaper Gem to simply change your race specialisation, without having the power to chance race?
Obviously I never liked reincarnation in Achaea in the first place, and don't have any intention of changing race, but the specialisations are supposed to allow some fluidity within a single race. I feel like I'm overpaying for an artefact that allows race changes when all I want is to unspecialise.

Attention span, much?

I intend to change specialisations frequently, but never race.

Gem (1000) - REINCARNATE (race + spec), or UNSPEC (spec)
I only need the second option, so

Lesser Gem (500) - UNSPEC (spec)

The very specific reason for this idea is that having an artefact enabling me to reincarnate is silly. Race was supposed to stop being about stats so much and be more about your character. I want multiclass to take that into consideration, so that people don't have to pay a bunch to "multi-race" along with it. The need to specialise with your class, or even your particular strategy at the moment (tank vs damage vs magic vs dodge(lol)), should not interfere with a person's identity. 

Not to get too off-topic, but people choosing atavian just so they can be a flying Serpent or Rajamalan to dodge better solely for combat reasons and not utility is not only meta but technically confining to those people as well. They don't want to be an Atavian but have to for the quick flight balance, being as efficient as Ring of Flying(?).

Trey

Trey said:

We get it, @Xith, we just don't agree that it's necessary.

Xith

I mean, it may be misrepresentative, but I didn't see as many disagrees. Case rested.

Kresslack

Well, good luck, I guess.

Addama

There's an app artefact for that.

Kross

Also keep in mind, your gem idea would most likely have the same outward required mechanics as the gem already in existence (I.e., once per Achaean month usage).

There is no requirement for daggers of Reincarnation, and you're getting what you want overall and staying the same race. If you don't want to pay 100 credits every time you want to change your specializations, then don't. But don't ask for an artefact that does literally that. Perhaps instead ask that Dagger of Reincarnation be lowered to 25 credits (lol, won't happen though).

Cooper

To be fair, with multiclass coming sometime before 2020 (maybe) this is a good idea. Assuming they are planning to not let you have a different spec for each class, anyway. 

Antonius

I still don't see why changing spec is worth/should cost less than a race change, to be honest. I'd be interested to hear why people think that should be the case.

Trey

Antonius said:

I still don't see why changing spec is worth/should cost less than a race change, to be honest. I'd be interested to hear why people think that should be the case.

To be fair to @Xith, I guess the argument could be made that you're limited to your own race's statpacks, as well as not being able to get other racial abilities from the swap, but eh.

Iskla

Make it upgradeable so broke mofos can put it on layaway. 500 for the spec change. Make it drop you to unspecialized. Not a reincarnation ie wont res you

Antonius

Trey said:

Antonius said:

I still don't see why changing spec is worth/should cost less than a race change, to be honest. I'd be interested to hear why people think that should be the case.

To be fair to @Xith, I guess the argument could be made that you're limited to your own race's statpacks, as well as not being able to get other racial abilities from the swap, but eh.

Eh, I guess. Not sure I'd agree that's worth any less, considering how little variation there is between the default stats on most races. Definitely wouldn't consider it worth half as much as being able to change race, maybe 75%.

Still not convinced it's worth adding two or three artefacts plus the coding to allow a racial specialisation removal not tied to reincarnation, though.

Terra

Just a small point, but you keep saying a mechanic would need to be added. The mechanic is already there. RACE UNSPECIALISE is a thing. You do not need to reincarnate to unspecialise (if you have a gem).

Xith

It's a single new artefact, upgradeable into the full thing. Since changing race forces unspec, unspec is worth less. Plus the whole dissuading people from changing race for mechanical reasons thing.

The next person to suggest I spend 100cr each time I want to reincarnate is going to get a Dagger of Reincarnation shoved up their ass. I'm not suggesting a limitless spec-switching artefact to switch my stats 5 times, so Daggers are obviously not a substitute.

The partial function makes more sense than the full Gem for people who want to alter their stats but not their race. Would still be upgradable to the regular Gem and subsequently the super gem.
Alternately just a separate artefact and upgradable to a Lesser Rapid Gem for people who want to switch stats every 2 hours, but not race.