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Many classes don't have insta-kills, or can't use insta-kills in certain class matchups or vs certain types of curing.
"Fixing" soulcage for some classes and not others would be just as unbalanced as giving some classes free deaths and not others.
It isn't a total solution, sure, but it's a relatively straightforward one. It would be reducing the current imbalance without entirely eliminating it. Some (most) classes being able to deal with cage/mog is better than no classes. It certainly is't "just as unbalanced", it is strictly more balanced.
Just a singular example which can be extrapolated to most others:
If you make soulcage bypassable by absolve, but not Smite, then the entire concept of health vs mana pressure for priest goes away. Smite needs to be able to kill people for Absolve to work. If you make Smite not kill people, then Absolve can't kill people, so now the priest can't use either. The same idea can easily be applied to things like knight damage bursts vs insta-kills, etc.
Not going to get in a huge debate over this one, because I don't really see it as that big of a deal (although soulcage is used far more frequently than angel sacrifice, which apparently warrants massive forum outcries and a witch-hunt for nerfing, despite being worse than soulcage).
We'll keep on doing what we've always done. Fighting necromancers, caging them, and watching them poof back to Mhaldor to wait another 9 hours to regrow some [courage].
I have no place to talk about balances and combat implications as I don't understand them, but that would explain why the deathsight isn't currently a thing.
Could it have some form of "Using his/her mastery of chaos/necromancy, Person narrowly escapes death at the hands of thing-or-person and becomes a chaos lord/lady/necromancy equiv(?)" message? Probably, yeah, and that would give credit if that's what you're after. Still doesn't address whether it counts as fulfilling a contract etc.
Figured I'd paste the AB file as it's public enough (i.e. any throwaway occultist alt can access it):
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One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important
While the AB is right in that you'd get a positive more than a negative, there have been awful bad luck streaks where you're stuck on -3 CON, slow eq, and some random arbitrary thing for 9 hours. There's a certain point that you get bad mutations, and the cost/loss of a death (starburst or otherwise) is worth it, so you just kill yourself to at least get to default. Later on though, it's harder to justify.
I call those my paperwork mutations.
Edit to add: I have no idea how this works for necromancy though, sorry!
That love soon might end You are unbreaking
And be known in its aching Though quaking
Shown in this shaking Though crazy
Lately of my wasteland, baby That's just wasteland, baby
This perspective doubles the length of time someone needs to properly kill you, giving you more consequence-free time to kill them and assuming both parties know how to fight, is a huge advantage.
I'm not suggesting a mechanical change to either Soulcage/Transmogrify but one which credits the killer, which I still think is fair in an equal scenario.
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If you're nerfing the rezz aspect of Transmog, you should take out the negative mutations. Many of the positive ones verge on useless anyway (eg. resistance to an obscure damage type, +STR/+DEX, endurance regen), compared to crippling stuff like slowed EQ recovery or a sip penalty.
1. Priest can kill without using smite... easily. I doubt Jaelyth ever uses it. I almost never used it.
2. ...angel sacrifice can be used EVERY 2 MINUTES. That is the only reason it is regarded as insane. Soulcage can be used every 9 hours. Wtf are you on?
CONTRACT KILLS IGNORE SOULCAGE/TRANSMOGRIFY
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a) Fight people who don't have the soulcage ability.
b) try asking them not to use soulcage.
c) ask for a duel where the fight continues beyond soulcage, where you consider it a defence instead of a starburst.
d) Bring a tactic to nullify the effectiveness of soulcage, via killing them with something where you can immediately attack upon soulcage triggering. This may require you changing class, or having to learn something.
e) bring someone to nullify the effectiveness of soulcage when you try to kill the person who has soulcage.
f) don't fight people who have soulcage.
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One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important
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Artemis says, "You are so high maintenance, Tharvis, gosh."
Tecton says, "It's still your fault, Tharvis."
If it gives a deathsight, might as well ding some XPs and make the transcendent Necro ability a free starburst.
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One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important
I forget the amount of time exactly, but it's pretty prohibitive at a minimum of six hours. It's a fixed time period somewhere between 6 and 9 hours iirc.
The only legitimate complaint is when you are trying to complete a contract against a soulcage user. Complaints about ganks and duels are irrelevant.
Necromancers can already make bodies of both allies and enemies into a powerful weapon. Would rather have that than devo rez, just have a non-com Alchemist ready to rez and don't embrace immediately upon death if an ally picked up your corpse.
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One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important
A lot of the nature of Achaean combat allows for someone who doesn't wish to die to not die, and when you burst that is typically a wish come true.
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My point is, killing a necromancer/occultist should merit some credit for the winner. The argument of "just kill them twice/treat it like a defense" to gain some semblance of credit for a kill is ridiculous because there's nothing about necromancers/occultists that makes them easier to fight against then any other class.
They already have blackwind/astralform which they can trigger on death.
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