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Mhaldor's Escarbuncle

PsykhePsykhe Posts: 2Member
So I understand what an escarbuncle is but the terms "Escarbuncle O"  "Gules"  and "within a bordure of the second" illude me even after an hour of wiki and google reading. If anyone could give me a rough sketch or even a decent picture that would be great. I'd like to get it tattoed on the top of my hand.

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  • KadenKaden Posts: 436Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    edited September 2014
    Let's see Gules would be the field, so that would be a red shield with the escarbuncle in gold (Or). Not 100% sure what a bordure is yet. 

    Edit: so a bordure is a border around the edges of said shield. Probably white in this case, but not too sure on that. But if it's a tattoo, really, you're probably better off with just the escarbuncle rather than the whole shield considering the position you want it on. :P
  • SenaSena Posts: 3,938Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited September 2014
    Something like this:

    But with the mullet (the star) replaced with an escarbuncle.
    OrzaansynUlrike
  • KadenKaden Posts: 436Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Ahh, that's what of the second means. Make sense.
    Praxides
  • CaoimhaenCaoimhaen TargossasPosts: 800Member @ - Epic Achaean
    I could never figure out what the brandings looked like because I was like...whats an escarbuncle? Oh well. My branding is erm burned flesh? :P

    PraxidesMishgulHalos
  • SaevaSaeva Posts: 1,939Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    www.letmegooglethatforyou.com


    PraxidesHalosUlrikeShara
  • ZiiZii Posts: 616Member @ - Epic Achaean
    Mhaldor's slave brand is an 8-point star.  Wear it with pride, worm.
    *Animated Signature*

    PraxidesCaoimhaenShara
  • HalosHalos San FranciscoPosts: 1,445Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Heraldry is hard, I know.

    Try HERADRYWHO MODERN MHALDOR

    It turns this
    Mhaldor       Gules, an escarbuncle Or within a bordure of the second --
                  Cypra, Herald
    into this
    Mhaldor       a gold escarbuncle within a gold border, on a red background --
                  Cypra, Herald

    This won't help you with the meaning of escarbuncle as a symbol but it puts all the rest of it into normal terms.

    A casual google search led me to this site which has real life heraldry symbol meanings. I c/p'd the relevant bit below: 
    The escarbuncle is a symbol of supremacy. In ancient warfare iron bands stemming from the center and radiating outwards were used to strengthen the shield for better protection in battle. Over time the pattern made by these bands was adopted as a charge and called in heraldic terms an escarbuncle. It is also a representation of a brilliant gem.
    Keep in mind that whatever you find on google is just a guide. Achaean symbols acquire their own in-game meaning through local events and lore. Thus, the escarbuncle may actually have other connotations.
    Mishgul said:
    Googling is for chumps. I just take a guess and then believe in myself, because I am the ultimate authority in my perception of reality. The escarbuncle is a caramel pastry donut and no one can stop me while I wield it.
    like that :|

    SaevaPraxidesUlrikeJhaeli
  • MishgulMishgul ROTHERHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMPosts: 5,314Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    The symbol of supreme caramel pastry donut. 

    Hail Sartan!

    -

    One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important

    As drawn by Shayde
    hic locus est ubi mors gaudet succurrere vitae
    PraxidesHalos
  • CaoimhaenCaoimhaen TargossasPosts: 800Member @ - Epic Achaean
    edited September 2014
    Zii said:
    Mhaldor's slave brand is an 8-point star.  Wear it with pride, worm.
    I do wear it with pride. In fact. I wear it with pride as it's on the inside of my left palm as I punch and kill mhaldorians. Poetic really. 

  • OrzaansynOrzaansyn Posts: 663Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Caoimhaen said:
    Zii said:
    Mhaldor's slave brand is an 8-point star.  Wear it with pride, worm.
    I do wear it with pride. In fact. I wear it with pride as it's on the inside of my left palm as I punch and kill mhaldorians. Poetic really. 
    I wear it with pride on my forehead.
    image
    CaoimhaenPraxidesStunereeShara
  • SilasSilas Posts: 2,542Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited September 2014
    You know, I'd never actually considered that non-heralds were so ignorant of heraldic terms. I put a lot of thought into Silas's heraldry, and any of the heraldry I've had a hand in designing - makes me wonder what people think when they see it if they're unfamiliar with the terms, and if they just imagine it as a strange but colourful morass.

    ETA: Hilariously unwieldy commands aside, I'd highly recommend Achaean heraldry to anybody as a text-pastime. A lot of care and attention has been put into the system by a lot of people who know what it all means, and unravelling it all is a lot of fun.

    PraxidesJhaeliHalos
  • SantarSantar Posts: 2,382Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I'll confess that I don't have half a clue what heraldy is, means, or does.

    image

    AtalkezErnam
  • AepasAepas Posts: 1,619Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Caoimhaen said:
    Zii said:
    Mhaldor's slave brand is an 8-point star.  Wear it with pride, worm.
    I do wear it with pride. In fact. I wear it with pride as it's on the inside of my left palm as I punch and kill mhaldorians. Poetic really. 
    What idiot branded you on your palm. I don't brand cattle on their hooves, jeesh.

    Also just imagine chaos marines when you think Mhaldor. Same insignia really.
    Replies the scorpion: "It's my nature..."
    PraxidesCaoimhaenShara
  • AnedhelAnedhel Posts: 2,367Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    This fucking thing. When I sketched Shirszae, I spent so much time re-doing that damn scar until it looked alright. Eurghnnn.
    Shirszae
  • TibithaTibitha Posts: 742Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Anedhel said:
    This fucking thing. When I sketched Shirszae, I spent so much time re-doing that damn scar until it looked alright. Eurghnnn.
    Lol yeah I'm going to confess, I got to the carbuncle part of her description was like "wtf  :|". My first guess was some kind of foot callous or edible sea creature. After googling it and trying to figure out the ins and outs of drawing that as a scar, I just went "Hell no, she's scarred on the other cheek mkay."
    PraxidesEldYae
  • AnedhelAnedhel Posts: 2,367Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I knew what it was, having worked with heralds a bit in-game, but drawing it's a totally different bunny.
  • StunereeStuneree Posts: 221Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Aepas said:
    What idiot branded you on your palm. I don't brand cattle on their hooves, jeesh.

    Also just imagine chaos marines when you think Mhaldor. Same insignia really.
    Got it on my left palm. Will be keeping it there permanently. Plus it's the only excuse I will EVER have IC, OOC, or in any other dimension to use the word, "escarbuncle".


    UlrikeCaoimhaen
  • RohaiRohai Posts: 451Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    edited September 2014
    @Psykhe - Is my reading comprehension severely flawed, or are you planning on getting an Achaea tattoo irl?

    [edited because I spelled Achaea wrong woops]
  • PsykhePsykhe Posts: 2Member
    Thanks for the they help, and the entertainment.
    I was never planning on the entire heraldry, I just wanted to have a good idea of what all that meant.
    I'm working on a sleeve and I like the escarbuncle, it fits my other designs and placement as well.


    PraxidesCaoimhaen
  • KresslackKresslack Florida, United StatesPosts: 5,871Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    It's always reminded me of the Helm of Awe:




    CaoimhaenHerenicus
  • XithXith Posts: 2,602Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited November 2014
    Mishgul said:
    all this time i thought an escarbuncle was some kind of pastry
    It sounds more like some kind of tumor. What am I thinking of...

    EDIT: Never mind.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbuncle
    Don't click if squeamish or digesting food. -.-
    I like my steak like I like my Magic cards: mythic rare.
  • SenaSena Posts: 3,938Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    "Carbuncle" can refer to a kind of abscess, a red gemstone (not any particular kind of gemstone (though it's usually garnet), just any gemstone that's red, especially dark or fiery red), or the heraldic charge.
    XithShara
  • KresslackKresslack Florida, United StatesPosts: 5,871Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Xith said:
    Mishgul said:
    all this time i thought an escarbuncle was some kind of pastry
    It sounds more like some kind of tumor. What am I thinking of...

    EDIT: Never mind.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbuncle
    Don't click if squeamish or digesting food. -.-
    escarbuncle




    SharaTrillianaXithCaoimhaen
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