Celani Call - September 2014

Ourania

Draqoom said:

Ourania said:

I was promised being shipped to a deserted island, but it didn't happen

That's admin code for "Hashan". Careful what you sign up for bby


Edit:

To contribute: I often consider applying for Celani, unfortunately the God role I wanted died off to Bal'met

I didn't read the small print. My fault.

Mizik

Draqoom said:

To contribute: I often consider applying for Celani, unfortunately the God role I wanted died off to Bal'met

got u

Melodie

RIP *kastalia.

Cooper

I don't think there has ever been someone promoted to celani who has actually followed the rule of not talking to your Achaean friends or even keeping your god identity secret. 

Aktillum

I would totally keep my identity a secret. Nobody would know I was the new Thoth.

Athelas

Is there absolutely no way to retain your current character while also performing Celani duties?

Sarapis

Athelas said:

Is there absolutely no way to retain your current character while also performing Celani duties?

Definitely not, no. 

Athelas

@Sarapis Is there a way that a character can progress towards becoming Celani, in-game? i.e. Rather than just ending it for your character, might there be a way for that character to evolve into Celani.

Personally, I lack the time to consider doing the Celani thing. I understand though, that there are some who would love to do it, but hesitate because they don't want to abandon characters that have not been played to their end-game.

So, if there was a bit of a story behind a character becoming Celani. Even something as simple as having to live a mortal life in order to become better representatives of the garden. Then some might be more willing to take the leap, or even just attempt it, because they are not abandoning the character as much as growing the character along a slightly OOC-managed path.

Yes, I know this sounds like ascension, and I'm aware that the practice of ascension was abandoned, but one could view mortal existence as being a kind of Celani Academy, and being Celani is definitely a kind of God Academy. This basically boils down to ascension being a process rather than an event.

One could even go as far as making the story of a character's progression event, part of the application to become Celani.

I understand there would be some concern with old ties to mortals, but anyone applying to become Celani should be more than mature enough to deal with the RP aspect of that.

Deucalion

Athelas said:

@Sarapis Is there a way that a character can progress towards becoming Celani, in-game? i.e. Rather than just ending it for your character, might there be a way for that character to evolve into Celani.

Personally, I lack the time to consider doing the Celani thing. I understand though, that there are some who would love to do it, but hesitate because they don't want to abandon characters that have not been played to their end-game.

So, if there was a bit of a story behind a character becoming Celani. Even something as simple as having to live a mortal life in order to become better representatives of the garden. Then some might be more willing to take the leap, or even just attempt it, because they are not abandoning the character as much as growing the character along a slightly OOC-managed path.

Yes, I know this sounds like ascension, and I'm aware that the practice of ascension was abandoned, but one could view mortal existence as being a kind of Celani Academy, and being Celani is definitely a kind of God Academy. This basically boils down to ascension being a process rather than an event.

One could even go as far as making the story of a character's progression event, part of the application to become Celani.

I understand there would be some concern with old ties to mortals, but anyone applying to become Celani should be more than mature enough to deal with the RP aspect of that.

It has been made completely clear that there will never be another IC ascension. There are too many issues related to it in achaea (see my below response to cooper that basically outlines them). Lusternia has something like this, but we do not. Before I applied, I asked the same thing a few times in different ways, but I'm afraid the answer is a very solid no today as it was then. As for maturity, you would be amazed at the broad ranges if maturity displayed by celani applicants over the years.





I will reply to cooper above here because it keeps trying to put my text in his quote box.

For some, it is painfully obvious who the player behind a god is. I personally told all of my Achaean friends I got celani and then had to quit it because I didn't have time...but when I took my god role, everyone knew it was me (I think). 

I will dispense this advice: don't tell people who your god role is, if you apply and get one. You will be treated differently and it will very much change your entire tenure as that god. I am happy with my decade plus time in achaea, but there are some days I wish I had chosen Agatheis or something totally random and didn't have some of the issues that arose from people knowing who I was.

Only much later after you are strongly established in your role is it something that won't cause you much grief. It is the reason I almost asked that I was not tagged at ironcon, or at least not as my current role; I was concerned people would start treating Deucalion differently.

Rumors will fly and sometimes they are right, but your first few months as a god should be focused on building your character and you can't do that if you keep getting ooc tells from your buddies. It is easier to try to prevent that entirely than deal with having to feel bad for zapping friends who can't take a hint, or worse, friends that think it is funny and continue to distract and pester you.

Cooper said:

I don't think there has ever been someone promoted to celani who has actually followed the rule of not talking to your Achaean friends or even keeping your god identity secret

Atalkez

I would zap @Jhui and @Dalran‌ for the lulz alone

Sartan

For the sake of discussion and because we do enjoy encouraging good applications, I'll wade in on the working towards Celani as a mortal theme. 

Part of becoming a Celani is being ready to leave your mortal behind. Everyone naturally grows attached to her/his character after so much time and energy is spent developing, elaborating, and expanding. When you become Celani, you shouldn't have that regret facing you. If you are still very attached to your character and her/his life, you may need more time playing. 

As @Tecton and all the other gods have mentioned (as well as the Help file), there's a period of celanihood that preceeds godhood. So the gratification is somewhat delayed. However, if you're really looking forward to earning godhood and in being a part of behind the scenes Achaea, celanihood has plenty of opportunity that accompanies the work.

Also, I am Sartan. If you join the garden, you will be chained to my ankle as a slave. Beatings are regular.

Malorn

Hm, out of curiosity, how many applications do you get for these calls as compared to how many are accepted, generally speaking?

Ainaon

Malorn said:

Hm, out of curiosity, how many applications do you get for these calls as compared to how many are accepted, generally speaking?

There can only be one.

Deucalion

Malorn said:

Hm, out of curiosity, how many applications do you get for these calls as compared to how many are accepted, generally speaking?

Varies every time, though if I had to really generalize we typically get anywhere from 3-8 applications and tend to take between 3-5. Usually the people who we decline to take either have very poor writing skills (and either they know it and applied anyway, or no one ever told them they have poor writing skills) or we assess that they're not really ready for the position. If you have good writing skills, you have a generally good history with the administration, and you don't completely freeze and then explode into a small, sad puddle of cellular debris while under interview pressure, there's a pretty good chance we will have a positive outlook. @Tecton‌ makes the final decisions, but the rest of us have some input. 

Ainaon said:

Malorn said:

Hm, out of curiosity, how many applications do you get for these calls as compared to how many are accepted, generally speaking?

There can only be one.

If your name is Duncan McLeod, I will let three extra grammatical mistakes in your application slide. 

Ourania

It is always quality over quantity, and to make sure you aren't allergic to any metal because Sartan's chains chaff the weak!

I always enjoy new Celani's coming up, because it is exciting in the Garden, and there is so much to teach them. 

Sartan

Deucalion said:

If your name is Duncan  Connor McLeod, I will let three extra grammatical mistakes in your application slide. 

ftfy

Austere

Slightly irrelevant question,  but curiosity got the better off me: why are celani applications only taken at specific times, instead of all the time?  I do a lot of hiring where I work,  and we accept applications, even when we don't need to fill a specific spot,  just to have a contingency plan.  Seems to me the process of selection could go quicker if you don't have to sit and look at every applicant when you need someone.  Could spread it out more and already have someone in mind before you even need them. Not sure who makes the decision that someone is needed,  but more admin support could go a long way,  especially in regards to unpaid volunteers. Could also cut down on admin feeling overwhelmed with things to do. 

Deucalion

Sartan said:

Deucalion said:

If your name is Duncan  Connor McLeod, I will let three extra grammatical mistakes in your application slide. 

ftfy

We both screwed up the clan name, which really should equally embarrass us...it's MacLeod. 

Also: 

Ourania

Training Celani takes a lot of work. And I mean, not only their end, but also ours. All the Garden has a hand in training them through their stages of Celanical (Is that a word? Is now!) life. As you can imagine, we all have our own pile of stuffs to do, so having hordes and hordes of celani up all the time wouldn't be productive. Once celani are more into the Demi stages of their life and are doing their own thang, we have less of a hand in their work freeing us up for MOAR CELANI.

Deucalion

Austere said:

Slightly irrelevant question,  but curiosity got the better off me: why are celani applications only taken at specific times, instead of all the time?  I do a lot of hiring where I work,  and we accept applications, even when we don't need to fill a specific spot,  just to have a contingency plan.  Seems to me the process of selection could go quicker if you don't have to sit and look at every applicant when you need someone.  Could spread it out more and already have someone in mind before you even need them. Not sure who makes the decision that someone is needed,  but more admin support could go a long way,  especially in regards to unpaid volunteers. Could also cut down on admin feeling overwhelmed with things to do. 

It doesn't take a really significant amount of time to review the applications and do the interviews, but the amount of training is pretty substantial. It is much easier for us to teach a group of celani how to program in the Achaea framework, or how to edit objects, than to teach one at a time at random times. 

And if you applied in January and then we needed in you July, you might not be interested in it anymore, and you've wasted both our time and yours; better that we know that you're interested right at the time we'd want to train you.

Asmodron

Sarapis said:

Athelas said:

Is there absolutely no way to retain your current character while also performing Celani duties?

Definitely not, no. 

psh, he's lying. We all know @Sarapis was secretly Bonko.

Orzaansyn

I'd certainly love it, but I'm not certain my english is good enough to flawlessly describe rooms... Not mentining the event requirement. And I know I have a lot of things in my RP, and how I turn my sentences, which would betray me too easily...

That's sad.  

Amanu

Asmodron said:

Sarapis said:

Athelas said:

Is there absolutely no way to retain your current character while also performing Celani duties?

Definitely not, no. 

psh, he's lying. We all know @Sarapis is secretly everyone.

Deucalion

Here you go. Read this: http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html

Morthif

How about a guy with no creative skills at all who would just like to help code?

Tecton

Morthif said:

How about a guy with no creative skills at all who would just like to help code?

Best to wait for a call for coders!

Siduri

Deucalion said:

Here you go. Read this: http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html

I cried a little.

Alston

Would you have to take on one of the current gods or if we present an idea for a god that is amaze balls would that be allowed

Tharvis

Noting how they killed off a lot of the gods during the bal'met event, and assuming they did so because there were simply too many unfilled god roles(and no indication all of them would get filled) if this train of thought is correct I doubt they'll add a new god-realm.

Mishgul

If you had a really good case for one I can't see why not but they would probably be more eager to fill old god roles.