Guard warning banned cities

Caladbolg

So since cities are so hostile to each other these days I thought it would be nice to have the guards warn people when they are not welcome there.

In the instance of newbie ashtani or mhaldoriani walks into Targ, (assuming there not enemied) the guards tell them they are not welcome here or there's a ban on Ashtan/Mhaldorians in the city and they need to leave.

This way people can see that there not welcome into the city instead of person warning them they are not welcome / just enemying them.

Tesha

I'm not sure how difficult it would be to add an 'unwelcome' politics thing, but having that with a configurable message would be awesome. That way each city can have their own flavor of warning.

Sobriquet

I see no need for this. You either find out from your own city, or someone in that city tells you to leave. No need to take interaction further away from the players

Achimrst

Tesha said:

I'm not sure how difficult it would be to add an 'unwelcome' politics thing, but having that with a configurable message would be awesome. That way each city can have their own flavor of warning.

Don't we already have city relations set towards other cities?  Such as Mhaldor being hostile to everyone :P

I think it would be fun to have a little message for the guards to say to people, I mean Ashtani guards already slap people on the butts

Siduri

I agree they should have hostile reactions, like disgust, or a harsh stare.

I disagree that this should save us the freedom of interacting with them the way we wish.

I know at least one person that I warned to leave Targossas who came back for citizenship a few days later because, hey, she liked the interaction and the effort that was put into exposing the -reasons- of our enmities.

Caladbolg

Siduri said:

I agree they should have hostile reactions, like disgust, or a harsh stare.

I disagree that this should save us the freedom of interacting with them the way we wish.

I know at least one person that I warned to leave Targossas who came back for citizenship a few days later because, hey, she liked the interaction and the effort that was put into exposing the -reasons- of our enmities.

The very point of this idea though was that people don't interact with people, they just enemy them and let guards handle it.

Shunsui

I dunno, I've noticed a lot of people at least try to take the time to interact with novices that wander into a hostile city. Not all the time of course, but a good amount of the time. Instant enemying and letting guards handle it seems to only happen with older characters who should know better by all rights. I like Siduri's idea. Gets the point across that they're not welcome, but leaves room for other people to jump in and tell them why.

Blujixapug

Just give them a warning shot in the head. The sooner they're introduced to the reality that is frequent death in this game, and divorced from their attachment to exp, the better.

We are breeding a generation that wants to bash to dragon and it sickens me.

Tvistor

Blujixrejgnekrng should never be allowed to work anywhere where guns are involved with that understanding of a warning shot.

Blujixapug

Detritus stared at the paper again, and then gave up. 'Youse don't want to stand here listenin' to me all day!' he bellowed. 'Dis is der Riot Act and you've all got to read it, right? Pass it round.'

'What if we don't read it?' said a voice in the crowd.

'You got to read it. It legal.'

'And then what happens?'

'Den I shoot you,' said Detritus.

'That's not allowed!' said another voice. 'You've got to shout ”Stop! Armed Watchman!" first.'

'Sure, dat suits me,' said Detritus. He shrugged one huge shoulder to bring his crossbow under his arm. It was a siege bow, intended to be mounted on the cart. The bolt was six feet long. 'It harder to hit runnin' targets.' He released the safety catch. 'Anyone finishing readin' dat thing yet?'

'Sergeant!' Vimes pushed his way through the crowd. And it was a crowd now. Ankh-Morpork was always a good audience. There was a clang as Detritus saluted. 'Were you proposing to shoot these people in cold blood, sergeant?'

'Nossir. Just a warning shot inna head, sir.'

'Really? Just give me a moment to talk to them, then.'

Tvistor

The Vimes books are my favourites.

Faur

Tvistor said:

Blujixrejgnekrng should never be allowed ENCOURAGED to work anywhere where guns are involved with that understanding of a warning shot.

Fixed that for you.

Anedhel

Needs an 'I love you so much right now' button. Would use on Blujixapug for sure.

Aepas

Guards are not authorized to give a warning shot.  You only shoot to kill. Guards in achaea are the same.

Isaiah

Aepas said:

Guards are not authorized to give a warning shot.  You only shoot to kill. Guards in achaea are the same.

Over seas we are authorized warning shots...

Aepas

Well it might be different for you guys, but for the Navy...

SECNAV INSTRUCTION 5500.29C

E2.1.6.

Additional requirements for the use of firearms:

E2.1.6.1.

Warning shots are prohibited.

E2.1.6.2.

When a firearm is discharged, it will be fired with the intent of rendering the person(s)

at whom it is discharged incapable of continuing the activity or course of behavior

prompting the individual to shoot.

Aepas

Oh, there it is.

MARINE CORPS ORDER 5500.6H CH1

4.g.
Warning shots are not authorized within U.S. Territory (including U.S. territorial waters), except when in appropriate exercise of force protection of U.S. Navy and Naval Service vessels within the limits set forth in Enclosure M, of reference (a), or unless specifically authorized in overseas locations according to the host-nation laws or status of forces agreements.


No thanks Marines, I think we got it this time. Sequestration has really put a pinch on the money, so we'll conserve the ammo for ya.

Sybilla

To get back on track, Ashtan's guards do act hostile (in behaviour/reactions not combat) towards Mhaldorians, neutralish to others and convivial to citizens, so it doesn't seem too far out the realm of possibility that guards could recognise x citizens and gruff a "you're not welcome here"

Wysteria

Imagine you yourself were a guard at your city's gates, how exactly would you know the novice was from an enemy city at face value? Make them present their ID parchment on entrance? It's a good idea, but from that perspective it would make me wonder how they'd work it out straight up.

Kei

It's not like guards have anything else to do but HONOURS NEWBIE all day...until there's a raid, anyway.

Caladbolg

Wysteria said:

Imagine you yourself were a guard at your city's gates, how exactly would you know the novice was from an enemy city at face value? Make them present their ID parchment on entrance? It's a good idea, but from that perspective it would make me wonder how they'd work it out straight up.

In this sense how come when I wear a mask and enter ashtan guards still attack me?

Siduri

Caladbolg said:

Wysteria said:

Imagine you yourself were a guard at your city's gates, how exactly would you know the novice was from an enemy city at face value? Make them present their ID parchment on entrance? It's a good idea, but from that perspective it would make me wonder how they'd work it out straight up.

In this sense how come when I wear a mask and enter ashtan guards still attack me?

The smell.

Tvistor

Too much swagger in your step, my friend.

Maxim

I really do like the idea. Guards warning young newbies of opposing cities not to enter or else. Why not set up a way for the Ambassador to be alerted to a situation like that? Like a message directly from the guard at the gate informing the Ambassador of a newbie wandering too close to the city? At least the idea will have more interaction between the players.

Imagine Mhaldorus standing tall before the gate, pointing a bloody finger at the young novice from an opposing city and snarling,"Beware, heathen! You are about to enter the Lord's city as a trespasser!" Then boom, a message is sent to the Ambassador letting him/her know that a newbie unwittingly entered the city ignoring Mhaldorus's warning.

I think the idea should be extended to the city tutors where newbies appeared off the exits from those portal rooms.

Make use of those NPCs who sat on their butts for years not really interacting much with newbies other than paying gold for those dead rats hmm?

Synbios

Maxim said:

I really do like the idea. Guards warning young newbies of opposing cities not to enter or else. Why not set up a way for the Ambassador to be alerted to a situation like that? Like a message directly from the guard at the gate informing the Ambassador of a newbie wandering too close to the city? At least the idea will have more interaction between the players.

-make lolalt-

-repeatedly enter-reenter city boundaries until killed-

-make another-

-repeat until ipbanned or Ambassador's brain gushes out of ears and nostrils-

The potential for this kind of abuse, unfortunately, brings me to disagree with this proposal permutation.

Kyrra

Reminds me of the time I empowered Dunn's totems on the highway and he woke up to like 700 messages because Targ griefed him.

Caladbolg

Kyrra said:

Reminds me of the time I empowered Dunn's totems on the highway and he woke up to like 700 messages because Targ griefed him.

Reminds me of the time you empowered Dunn's totems on the highway I did goto manara went got a pop came back and hit 500 totems >_>