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  • AchillesAchilles Los Angeles
    You could also use rebounding (even if it makes it hard to keep count) to slow down the damage.
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  • AgravainAgravain
    edited May 2013
    Okay, @Jacen. 

    You made several bad choices. Don't go for the stupid deliverance kill. You just brought your Kai down from 100 to 19 when you could have been using Kai Cripple to hinder him there. You're lucky he stopped the Cleave there too, you shielded instead of preventing it. Use guarding a lot more effectively, yup. Could have prepped him extremely quickly there. Cripple > Shield when they break. For some reason... You battered to try and stop Cleave. I have no idea what that was about. It looks like you dealt with the damage fine to be honest, the only time you got dangerously low is when you tried to deliverance with low health and he lunged x2. 

    You also rushed into doing your break chain with a broken arm, be careful of that. Never Kai Heal with 75% health either. What's the point?

    Make a macro for touching tree, and if you have stupidity or clumsiness when you're about to throw your break combos, incorporate touch tree in there. If aff.stupidity == 1 or aff.clumsiness == 1 then tree()/stand/kick/punch/punch, if you want to automate it. I would just make it more noticeable to you if you cure clumsy/stupid with tree tattoo, and then manually execute the tree and combo separately. 

    You are also throwing your combo a bit awkwardly. Think of how you can take advantage of breaking his arm first before the leg to keep him on the ground for an extra 4 seconds (8, actually, considering he applies restoration to head before legs). Also enfeeble before that bbt, man. He would have died. You had 100 Kai. He tumbled so he wasn't able to stand even if he did cure all of his limbs, so you were fine for time. . 

    The loss had very little to do with his damage, and technically nothing to do with it. Just work on those things :)

  • NyboeNyboe
    edited May 2013
    @agravain,You are definitely not a "real" 22 year old newbie as I noticed you know a lot of information about other classes, even more then some experienced players.

    The newbie retention stats are probably all messed up because I bet 70 percent of the newbies that don't just quit after the trial are alts made by experienced players.

    Heck my current 18 year old protege is actually "trying" to mentor me because he apparently knows so much about roleplay and he can read all the house help files in a matter of minutes and do the blademaster quest by himself and get to level 55 in one day. Obviously an alt.
  • AgravainAgravain
    edited May 2013
    What...

    And Agravain is 23, punk.

    Yeah, I'm an "alt", but not in your typical sense. I never denied that, haha. What's your problem, man?
  • NyboeNyboe
    edited May 2013

    Agravain said:
    What...

    And Agravain is 23, punk.
    I am 23 as well. Okay I was off by one year. You were 22 not long ago. Every time I look at the forums I see you post some technical analysis for combat on a certain class. I know you are an alt.
  • NyboeNyboe
    edited May 2013
    Jonathin said:
    Who cares?
    I care. Did you not hear me mention about my 18 year old protege mentoring me? And he know so much, its creepy.

    This was my first protege, this wasn't my 10th or 20th one. I would explain why this "newbie alt" thing is such a significant issue to how it affects newbie retention but I don't think a lot of you would understand because it just dawned on me how alone I truly am.


  • AgravainAgravain
    edited May 2013
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  • JonathinJonathin Retired in a hole.
    Yes, @Nyboe, you are alone. You are the only person that cares at this point that 99% of newbies are alts. You're repeating something that most of us have already accepted as fact like it's a new thing. So please, take your boring arguments to the rants thread and let's get on with some gank logs please.
    I am retired and log into the forums maybe once every 2 months. It was a good 20 years, live your best lives, friends.
  • MizikMizik
    @Nyboe:

    @Agravain just gave this dude a wall of tips, no need for unprovoked call-outs. Be sweet.

    Although, wtf, I thought you got banned ^^
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  • AgravainAgravain
    Shh
  • JacenJacen
    Thanks for the help guys!
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  • RuthRuth Singapore
    I love them Tanjinn monks flavor text.
    "Mummy, I'm hungry, but there's no one to eat! :C"

     

  • DunnDunn
    I actually felt anxious reading that.


  • JacenJacen
    Spar with Lothiac
    I dunno how to even get started against artied magi. Advice?
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  • IocunIocun
    Buy anklets of evade.

    →My Mudlet Scripts

  • TerraTerra
    Jacen said:
    Spar with Lothiac
    I dunno how to even get started against artied magi. Advice?
    Get a firelash ring. Maybe a firewall ring too. Don't let him wall you in. Hit and run limb break.
  • AgravainAgravain
    edited May 2013
    a) Mono two to three adjacent exits. Also consider making another tumble alias, 'mtm (\w+)' for unwield left;wield monolithsigil;throw monolith sigil dir;tumble dir. Throwing mono does take balance, sorray.
    b) Get a firewall and firelash ring. Throw a firewall in one exit if there is no icewall there, if there is, firelash and then firewall. Otherwise move and firewall. 
    c) Don't waste time with mind crush. It's a cute idea and I get it, but you are not Artied :( and it's far more detrimental for you than for him; see point d) for example. Go for hit and run limb prepping. Enter, scs/punch/punch, run. Feel free to do the same thing with DRS, too. (But obviously not stance/punch/punch). Rinse/Repeat. 
    d) He's Magi, if things get dire, Transmute/Mind Drain. 
    e) Perhaps most importantly of all (For the correct mindset), remember that you are a limb damage class. The longer the fight goes on, the more advantageous it becomes for you (He's on a tickdown with vibes. Try keeping cubes down, too). Don't rush in to prepping, take your time and make sure you survive. No need to take risks as a Monk. 

    ALSO

    At the end, you had 3000 mana and enough Kai to Kai Heal (Don't Choke, so pointless). No excuse for dying there.

  • XerXer Langley
    edited May 2013
    On point a), I believe that throwing a mono takes balance, so you won't be able to tumble instantly after throwing a monolith. Pre-laying down monoliths have saved me a -bunch- of times though against Magi. Don't quote me on the first part though - it's easy enough to check yourself
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  • JacenJacen
    Doesn't ice plus walls plus brazier pretty much mean I'm not gonna leave the room?
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  • AgravainAgravain
    Firewall prevents icewall. Firelash removes icewall. Monolith prevents brazier.
  • HhaosHhaos Cortland, Ohio
    That's it, someone buy me interwebs not enough logs. I will start spamming deathsight with @caladbolg again and give logs :-(
  • JacenJacen
    I apologize if my posting in this thread has offended anyone in any way. I mistook the purpose of this thread to be for combat logs and advice not extensive enough to warrant its own thread.

    You just received message #92 from Cahin.
    3912h [100%], 3904m [93%], 99%e, 100%w 20% []kai  exd-rm
    Message #92         Sent by Cahin
    5/06/14:55 (OOC): Stop making the "combat logs" thread retarded.  It is not for showing your logs to 
    force pity advice out of other people. Make a new thread if you want to do that.

    3912h [100%], 3904m [93%], 100%e, 100%w 20% []kai  exd-msg cahin Wtf? I'm not looking for pity advice, I'm looking for... advice
    You sent the following message to Cahin:
    Wtf? I'm not looking for pity advice, I'm looking for... advice.

    Cahin would like you to know: Truth Five - The body may be made stronger through combat.
    3912h [100%], 3904m [93%], 100%e, 100%w 20% []kai  exd-

    You just received message #94 from Cahin.
    3912h [100%], 3904m [93%], 100%e, 100%w 20% []kai  exd-rm
    Message #94         Sent by Cahin
    5/06/14:57 (OOC): Then use another thread. That isn't an advice thread.
    3912h [100%], 3904m [93%], 100%e, 100%w 20% []kai  exd-

    You just received message #95 from Cahin.
    3912h [100%], 3904m [93%], 100%e, 100%w 20% []kai  exd-rm
    Message #95         Sent by Cahin
    5/06/14:57 (OOC): Make a thread, you can be a celebrity. Call it Combat Advice.
    3912h [100%], 3904m [93%], 100%e, 100%w 20% []kai  exd-


    3912h [100%], 3904m [93%], 100%e, 100%w 20% []kai  exd-msg cahin I posted two different logs, which generated helpful advice. That's a lot more on topic than the Combat Logs thread usually is. I also don't
    understand why you feel the need to approach me one on one to tell me that my on topic posts are not wanted in a thread. Its very immature and I'm just astounded that this bothered you to the extent that you
    felt the need to come at me privately about it.
    You sent the following message to Cahin:
    I posted two different logs, which generated helpful advice. That's a lot more on topic than the 
    Combat Logs thread usually is. I also don't understand why you feel the need to approach me one on 
    one to tell me that my on topic posts are not wanted in a thread. Its very immature and I'm just 
    astounded that this bothered you to the extent that you felt the need to come at me privately about 
    it.

    Cahin would like you to know: Truth Five - The body may be made stronger through combat.
    3912h [100%], 3904m [93%], 100%e, 100%w 20% []kai  exd-

    Message #96         Sent by Cahin
    5/06/15:10 (OOC): It bothers me that you take a thread that I enjoy to read and fill it with your 
    attempts to glean ooc combat advice from others. It annoys me to have to see your derail turn into 
    people spoonfeeding you basic advice further derailing the thread and it's purpose. "No one wants to 
    wade through 15 pages of comments to find a good gank log." Make a new thread, your posts aren't on 
    topic at all. They serve an entirely different purpose than the thread.  I thought it was more 
    appropriate to talk to you privately about it than to shame you on the forums.


    I thought it only appropriate that I shame myself with the public posting of my seriously misguided forum etiquette.
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  • DaslinDaslin The place with the oxygen
    @Jacen I don't think you forum'd in the past, combat logs was never combat logs:help me out a bit. It was gank logs.
  • NyboeNyboe
    edited May 2013
    @Jacen I think he is jealous that you are "gleaning occ combat from others".

    I don't think its your fault that you asked for help but you probably should avoid it doing it on here just because some people just want their combat secrets kept on the down low. Hence why there was some opposition from the Achaea community when Daeir on his thread tried to make his combat wiki to help newbies and mid tier players on to understand mid-tier class combat.
  • EldEld
    edited May 2013

    Nyboe said:
    @Jacen I think he is jealous that you are "gleaning occ combat from others".

    I don't think its your fault that you asked for help but you probably should avoid it doing it on here just because some people just want their combat secrets kept on the down low. Hence why there was some opposition from the Achaea community when Daeir on his thread tried to make his combat wiki to help newbies and mid tier players on to understand mid-tier class combat.
    Very few people try very hard to keep combat "secrets". If they did, we wouldn't have threads like this, Quick Combat Questions, or a good number of others in this forum. The objection was that this thread is for just posting logs for people to read and never ever comment on and that somehow a half-page derail about basic advice is worse than a 10-page derail about whether Ashtan killed 50 Shallam guards or 60.

    Anyway, didn't @Daslin or someone start a thread specifically for posting logs for advice? Maybe that was on the old forums?

    Edit: Looks like it was Lyr on the old forums and no one ever moved it over. I've started a continuation here.
  • CahinCahin
    I really don't care if there are comments. Those make the thread more enjoyable, but when people start posting RP logs and talking about them in this thread, I will have the same objection.  Half of the threads in the subforum are boring to read.  This is the only one I enjoy.  Please don't take this from me.  Make your own thread if you want to be boring or don't understand combat mechanics.

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