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Ask your Producer: Traits edition

TectonTecton The Garden of the GodsPosts: 2,485Administrator @@ - Legendary Achaean
With the release of the new traits, I'm opening up this thread for questions you may have about the additions and changes. Feel free to ask your relevant questions, and I'll do my best to answer them! Non-relevant questions will be pruned.
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  • SilvarienSilvarien Posts: 570Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    edited March 2013
    I'd love to know what the balance bonus of Nimble is. I've heard conflicting stories. It seems to be the only thing for most people that gives Balance bonus, but I've heard that the bonus is very small, so considering it's a major trait is it worth it?

    Uh... I hope this is relevant. Sorry if it's not.
    Drauka
  • TectonTecton The Garden of the GodsPosts: 2,485Administrator @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Silvarien said:
    I'd love to know what the balance bonus of Nimble is. I've heard conflicting stories. It seems to be the only thing for most people that gives Balance bonus, but I've heard that the bonus is very small, so considering it's a major trait is it worth it?

    Uh... I hope this is relevant. Sorry if it's not.
    10% reduction
    DraukaSilvarienJonathin
  • SynbiosSynbios Posts: 4,438Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Sticky Stirrups: Off the top of my head: Angel/Demon beckon, adduction, gust, grove eject, beguile, yank, boomerang, and mind throw.

    Just to be clear - this just means that the mounted person will still be dragged into the room, but will still remain mounted?

  • TectonTecton The Garden of the GodsPosts: 2,485Administrator @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Daslin said:
    Simple question. WHY?
    Couple of reasons, the main two being:
    • The way they were setup didn't really lend itself to any real personalisation, about 95% of people had the same 5 traits.
    • It skewed combat far too defensively, health pools were too high, especially on classes that could afford to stack huge amounts of health.
    Xith
  • TectonTecton The Garden of the GodsPosts: 2,485Administrator @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Synbios said:
    Sticky Stirrups: Off the top of my head: Angel/Demon beckon, adduction, gust, grove eject, beguile, yank, boomerang, and mind throw.

    Just to be clear - this just means that the mounted person will still be dragged into the room, but will still remain mounted?
    Correct.
  • SilvarienSilvarien Posts: 570Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Tecton said:
    Silvarien said:
    I'd love to know what the balance bonus of Nimble is. I've heard conflicting stories. It seems to be the only thing for most people that gives Balance bonus, but I've heard that the bonus is very small, so considering it's a major trait is it worth it?

    Uh... I hope this is relevant. Sorry if it's not.
    10% reduction
    Thanks muchly!
  • DragonknightDragonknight Posts: 220Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Sena said:
    Edit: Is moss/potash intended to be 8% or 10% now that triage is gone?
    Missed one.
    Melodie
  • TectonTecton The Garden of the GodsPosts: 2,485Administrator @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Sena said:
    Edit: Is moss/potash intended to be 8% or 10% now that triage is gone?
    Missed one.
    It was intended to go back to 10%, but it seems that didn't make it to the live server for some reason. I've been keeping a close eye on things since triage was removed though, and I'm not 100% convinced it's required now that I have a far greater sample size. I'll continue monitoring it over the next couple of days and adjust it if required.
    Drauka
  • SenaSena Posts: 3,825Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Tecton said:
    Bottom of the Barrel: Reduced chance to slur/hiccup, and it varies based on drunkenness, but to ballpark it, a "stage" of drunkenness.
    Does this have any effect on the "natural slurring" from Life of the Party?
  • TectonTecton The Garden of the GodsPosts: 2,485Administrator @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Sena said:
    Tecton said:
    Bottom of the Barrel: Reduced chance to slur/hiccup, and it varies based on drunkenness, but to ballpark it, a "stage" of drunkenness.
    Does this have any effect on the "natural slurring" from Life of the Party?
    Yes, they should probably be conflicting traits, to be honest.
  • TaelTael Posts: 1,197Member @ - Epic Achaean
    edited March 2013
    I'm actually feeling a little bit better seeing the rationale and exact figures. And I definitely like minor traits having very few combat implications so people can actually personalise characters.

    I still don't like many of the new traits having such huge drawbacks though. There's already the drawback of not being able to select a different trait, which is rather large. Things like sawbones and expert diagnoser are interesting and potentially useful, especially to newbies, but spending a major trait on them and getting slower recovery/tree is really going to reduce the number of people who take them. I get the logic of it - make people more offensive and less defensive at the same time to help mitigate the turtling problem - but that doesn't work if people don't take them.

    And I'm still not wild about across-the-board health lowering either. I think a system that dealt more with the problem cases of very high health while leaving lower health intact would have been better, but that's whatever.

    Edit: Seeing as how they're very intertwined, it might be reasonable to unspecialise everyone's races too.
  • DraukaDrauka Posts: 243Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    After a while can you post a table of statistics of what traits people chose? For just those curious.
    Sena
  • CahinCahin Posts: 1,246Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    First off, I like the update having had a chance to take a look at it.  I find myself conflicted with two setups I want to use an apostate so I'm probably gonna try both out.  I like how the removal of a lot of the commonly picked traits and restrictions of certain combinations allows me to guilt-free pick some more unique personalized minor traits.

    The web tattoo speed increase is overpowered in my opinion.  With a diadem, people are web/biting and web/impale for blademaster becomes more of a reality even without a diadem.  This almost makes a buckawns a requirement to avoid getting lamed. 

    TaelSherazad
  • TectonTecton The Garden of the GodsPosts: 2,485Administrator @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Tael said:
    I'm actually feeling a little bit better seeing the rationale and exact figures. And I definitely like minor traits having very few combat implications so people can actually personalise characters.

    I still don't like many of the new traits having such huge drawbacks though. There's already the drawback of not being able to select a different trait, which is rather large. Things like sawbones and expert diagnoser are interesting and potentially useful, especially to newbies, but spending a major trait on them and getting slower recovery/tree is really going to reduce the number of people who take them. I get the logic of it - make people more offensive and less defensive at the same time to help mitigate the turtling problem - but that doesn't work if people don't take them.

    And I'm still not wild about across-the-board health lowering either. I think a system that dealt more with the problem cases of very high health while leaving lower health intact would have been better, but that's whatever.
    Yep, I can see why the lower health pools would be a shock based on how high they've been for the past year. You have to remember though that before traits and racial specialisations came in, pretty much everyone had lower health pools than they have today (due to normalisation)
  • TectonTecton The Garden of the GodsPosts: 2,485Administrator @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Cahin said:
    First off, I like the update having had a chance to take a look at it.  I find myself conflicted with two setups I want to use an apostate so I'm probably gonna try both out.  I like how the removal of a lot of the commonly picked traits and restrictions of certain combinations allows me to guilt-free pick some more unique personalized minor traits.

    The web tattoo speed increase is overpowered in my opinion.  With a diadem, people are web/biting and web/impale for blademaster becomes more of a reality even without a diadem.  This almost makes a buckawns a requirement to avoid getting lamed. 
    Web was one of the difficult decisions with putting lethal ink in, but we decided to not over-nerf it by balancing it too conservatively. Now that it is live, and we have a much larger sample size for data, we'll be keeping a close eye on it. If it's needed, we may have to trade it out for hourglass or something, but it's too early to tell.
  • TectonTecton The Garden of the GodsPosts: 2,485Administrator @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Drauka said:
    After a while can you post a table of statistics of what traits people chose? For just those curious.
    Potentially, yes. I don't have a handy reference like I do with race/classes, but I can probably whip something similar up when I have some free time (ha!)
    SenaDraukaNemutaur
  • CahinCahin Posts: 1,246Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Can we know how Airborne compares to the Brooch of the Tempest?

    Any chance at a percentage?

  • TectonTecton The Garden of the GodsPosts: 2,485Administrator @@ - Legendary Achaean

    Cahin said:
    Can we know how Airborne compares to the Brooch of the Tempest?

    Any chance at a percentage?
    >50% of not getting blown in the wind.
    CahinNemutaur
  • NellaundraNellaundra Posts: 1,556Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Wait, so basically Triage doesn't exist as a trait anymore but everyone has it?  Yessss.
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  • SenaSena Posts: 3,825Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    If questions about old traits are okay:

    What exactly does Aim to Kill do? Is it something like "x% damage bonus on all criticals"? Can you say how much the damage is increased? This is something that's pretty hard to test, since denizens that can show their damage are immune to criticals.

    How does Light Stepper (also Feral Spirit) differ from increased dexterity, since dexterity is mostly just increased dodge chance already?
  • VeldrinVeldrin DenmarkPosts: 355Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Wait, so basically Triage doesn't exist as a trait anymore but everyone has it?  Yessss.
    8% still, should have been 10% but now he isn't sure if it's needed so it'll stay at 8% for now while he monitors it.

    Why make the Receptive body/mind major traits and make them conflict with stat boosts? I got nothing I want for minor traits now.
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  • TectonTecton The Garden of the GodsPosts: 2,485Administrator @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Sena said:
    If questions about old traits are okay:

    What exactly does Aim to Kill do? Is it something like "x% damage bonus on all criticals"? Can you say how much the damage is increased? This is something that's pretty hard to test, since denizens that can show their damage are immune to criticals.

    How does Light Stepper (also Feral Spirit) differ from increased dexterity, since dexterity is mostly just increased dodge chance already?
    Aim to kill adds a small bonus to the damage before it is multiplied by the critical modifier, so it gets better the higher your critical strength.

    Light Stepper / Feral Spirit are the equivalent to multiple points of dexterity in the calculations for avoidance.
    XithEldDelphinus
  • TectonTecton The Garden of the GodsPosts: 2,485Administrator @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Veldrin said:
    Wait, so basically Triage doesn't exist as a trait anymore but everyone has it?  Yessss.
    8% still, should have been 10% but now he isn't sure if it's needed so it'll stay at 8% for now while he monitors it.

    Why make the Receptive body/mind major traits and make them conflict with stat boosts? I got nothing I want for minor traits now.
    See my previous answer to Daslin's question for the reasoning.

  • MelodieMelodie Port Saint Lucie, FloridaPosts: 4,565Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    (Clan): Voc says, "Hrmm. So, the response to my issue says that the mounted avoidance bonus does work against denizens, as does the dodge trait."

    What kind of bonus are we looking at with the dodging major trait vs. adventurers and denizens?
    "You have had an extraordinary adventure, my dear. Extraordinary! One that few people could ever imagine. Treasure it. Keep it safe and secure, tucked away in some special place in your heart. 

    But... don't spend the rest of your days chasing a ghost."
  • TectonTecton The Garden of the GodsPosts: 2,485Administrator @@ - Legendary Achaean

    Melodie said:
    (Clan): Voc says, "Hrmm. So, the response to my issue says that the mounted avoidance bonus does work against denizens, as does the dodge trait." What kind of bonus are we looking at with the dodging major trait vs. adventurers and denizens?
    Equivalent to a couple of points of dexterity.
  • SenaSena Posts: 3,825Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I've always thought that dexterity (and any other dodging bonuses) were meaningless against denizens. Do they give physical damage reduction against denizens instead? Does that apply to all dodging increases (speed elixir, weaving, acrobatics, etc.)?
  • VeldrinVeldrin DenmarkPosts: 355Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Delphinus said:
    I'll echo the request for some more concrete facts. Also,

    Limbcrusher
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    About:
    You're guaranteed to always break four limbs while TRAMPLING, but at the cost of reduced avoidance from being mounted.

    Major Trait: Yes
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    Necromancy buff.
    ^Was anything considered for that buff or was it an oversight? 
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    Sabiru
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