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Best Hunting Specialisation

EokaEoka Posts: 54Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
What is the best specialisation for hunting? No PvP, so just the fastest clear with the least risk of death would be fantastic

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  • AntoniusAntonius Posts: 4,459Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    How artied are you/will you be? That's probably going to make a pretty substantial difference.
  • EokaEoka Posts: 54Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    I have 0 arties right now because I'm broke but I will eventually be buying some
  • IllyoseIllyose Posts: 68Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    I think the first thing to be said for any hunting, is that they all do pretty decently. I'll admit that I haven't hunted as dual cut since the changes to specs, but it was pretty good, and from what I hear they kept it pretty similar. I focus on the other three, because I HATED dual cut with rapiers, and I find the other specs a lot more fun conceptually. I started as 2H, and they do Massive damage. They are a little less defensive than the other specs, but that can be evened out a little with artie armour now. I hunt with warhammer most of the time, but Bastard isn't too much slower. Dual blunt I found to be a middle ground. Flails did a chunk more damage than stars, but stars where faster, so I liked to mix it up depending on what I was fighting. My only complaint with the spec was that I couldn't switch in my SoA and single whirl at targets, which I suppose is as designed, but makes me feel like the singlewhirl skill is kind of a waste. Lastly is SnB, which was AMAZING before the propper nerfs were given to it. Now it has REALLY little damage, but can take a beating like no ones business. Very much a slow and steady choice, that gives a wide range of places you can survive, and eventually work through. I'll admit that all this is based on having a fair amount of defensive arties, and no artie weapons. All in all, I don't think it will matter too much on what spec you want, just how you prefer to feel when bashing. 
  • AdaAda Posts: 188Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    If you have rainbow criticals then dual wield anything would make hunting a lot more colourful for you: https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/bU2-xzaN :grin:

  • KenwayKenway San FranciscoPosts: 1,130Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Believe it's generally agreed that 2h is the best until you're artied up and then DwC takes the crown.

    - Limb Counter - Fracture Relapsing -
    "Honestly, I just love that it counts limbs." - Mizik Corten
  • DochithaDochitha Posts: 1,283Member @ - Epic Achaean
    After the recent changes, 2h talked the crown artied too.
    Kriex
  • DarktalonDarktalon RomePosts: 177Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Still 2 hander? Been sword and shield and it's just so slow. Have a few artifacts, but none at level 3.
  • MathildaMathilda Posts: 782Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Still 2H!
     <3 
  • MinifieMinifie Posts: 1,714Member @ - Epic Achaean
    I found DWB, 2h and DWC at full arties to be so close together it was a wash, take your pick and have fun.

    S+B still miles behind, but I believe slice and rend both do same damage at different speeds, which may be causing an issue.
  • CailinCailin Posts: 155Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Someone has told me that the double crits of DWB make it better at higher levels. It's not something I've tested though, just hearsay.
  • NazihkNazihk Posts: 932Member @ - Epic Achaean
    IIRC, 2h dominates at all artifact levels right now.
  • CooperCooper IowaPosts: 4,376Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    We should commit, as a community, to figuring out a way to do the math on all this with respectto crits/attack speed.

    Torinn
  • KietKiet Posts: 2,735Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited April 20
    Sena did a simulation using an attack A and B, where attack B hits 80% as hard as attack A but over 4 hits instead of 1 in the same time frame, and attack B was better. Something like that, anyway! Someone just has to convince her to model other data points!
  • LeffeLeffe Posts: 21Member
    edited April 21
    I can't weigh in on what is the best spec, as I have only tried 2H.
    I can say that in many years of playing IRE muds, 2H runewarden is by far the best bashing class I have ever experienced, by far - and I've been some of the more ridiculously good bashing classes over the years (example: a wardancer bashing with dual shields of protection (absorption here) artefacts in early imperian).

    Survivability?
    I'm level 80 and have died once only while bashing (trying to solo Belladonna somewhere around level 70 - don't do it). I haven't been only grinding the safe areas either - always pushing for harder areas and better XP, so while that is anecdotal evidence, it's still pretty compelling results.

    Artefact-wise, don't even bother with a weapon for bashing. Just bash with a forged warhammer. There's a thread detailing why.


    My advice: go 2H, pick a race that lets you evenly raise strength and con (dwarf for me), and instead of buying artefacts, get avoidance/minis. If you do save up for artefacts, buy +crit or increase your tankiness more if/when you think it is lacking.

    If you're bashing you don't need a high investment in chivalry (just the various defs that buff your char, like resistance and weathering), and to be honest, not that much in runelore either. Rune armour is an extra 5/5 to your armour stats. Everything helps but avoidance will help more so after jera/algiz I'd focus on avoidance before returning to get berkana and then the rune armour/blade as a lower priority.

    Edit: the lesson cost to switch specs is quite low, so you could use 2H until you think the crit advantage of a dual wielding spec makes it worth switching specs.

    Xias
  • KriexKriex Posts: 115Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    2h by far is the best hunting spec for Runewarden.  It hits hard and with x16 crits (at level 95, about 15%-18% of my total crits are x16) you can one shot most things (Sidhe in Annwyn, Elite and Knights in Mog etc).  Your already tanky with runic armour and by speccing +con (I am a dwarf miner, and trait specced for +con). You only really need to hit 16 strength without fury for pvp (anything more is great but a broken torso dsb at 18 strength (16 base plus 2 with fury) is 92%+ health on someone).  If your going only for hunting and not looking to get into pvp then get an artefact hammer. Speed on hammer is a little faster.  If your planning on getting into combat get an artefact bastard sword.  I have a level 2 and with the nimble trait my hunting balance is around 2.9 seconds a hit.

    While DWC is faster and has the ability to crit more, your still needing 3-4 dsls (at around 1.9-2.1 seconds of balance per hit) to match 1 slaughter attack from a 2h. 2h crits are worth more in damage too.  From my testing (16 str, lvl 1 scims for dwc, lvl 2 bastard for 2h, lvl 2 crit pendant) it takes a dsl with a double x2 crit proc to match my normal base hit for 2h. So any crits I get as a 2h (roughly a 36% chance at 95) means my DWC counter part has that many more dsls to do to catch up.

    2h allows you to tank mobs easier because you hit harder and can potentially one shot mobs with smaller crits.  Meaning you are hitting and running less.  

    I will always tell others 2h is greater
    Xias
  • SolnirSolnir Posts: 658Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Kriex said:
    2h by far is the best hunting spec for Runewarden.  It hits hard and with x16 crits (at level 95, about 15%-18% of my total crits are x16) you can one shot most things (Sidhe in Annwyn, Elite and Knights in Mog etc).  Your already tanky with runic armour and by speccing +con (I am a dwarf miner, and trait specced for +con). You only really need to hit 16 strength without fury for pvp (anything more is great but a broken torso dsb at 18 strength (16 base plus 2 with fury) is 92%+ health on someone).  If your going only for hunting and not looking to get into pvp then get an artefact hammer. Speed on hammer is a little faster.  If your planning on getting into combat get an artefact bastard sword.  I have a level 2 and with the nimble trait my hunting balance is around 2.9 seconds a hit.

    While DWC is faster and has the ability to crit more, your still needing 3-4 dsls (at around 1.9-2.1 seconds of balance per hit) to match 1 slaughter attack from a 2h. 2h crits are worth more in damage too.  From my testing (16 str, lvl 1 scims for dwc, lvl 2 bastard for 2h, lvl 2 crit pendant) it takes a dsl with a double x2 crit proc to match my normal base hit for 2h. So any crits I get as a 2h (roughly a 36% chance at 95) means my DWC counter part has that many more dsls to do to catch up.

    2h allows you to tank mobs easier because you hit harder and can potentially one shot mobs with smaller crits.  Meaning you are hitting and running less.  

    I will always tell others 2h is greater
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  • KriexKriex Posts: 115Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Solnir said:
    Kriex said:
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