I'd also like to add to those that ever feel there is a 'dull' or 'nothing happening' during an event:
Simply involve your character in what's happening and try to find different routes or options. It really can be quite rewarding, even more so if an admin takes notice and decides to play along.
Agree. I'm not usually able to be around for big events because right now the only time I am able to play is at work (which means usually I have some work-like thing going on and the wi-fi here is horrible). But even during the Tsol'teth or whatever, when I was here all I did was bash the shadowy shit. It was semi-mindless but just the relaxation I needed. And I would usually go in as an advanced party and clear areas for the smaller players. It wasn't much but it made it interesting enough that I hated not being around for the rest.
It's by an illustrator I found in Bergamo, Italy. I liked the work he did for Achaea (this is the first piece you've seen of his, but there are others coming relating to this event), and have used him extensively on Starmourn. He did all the race art (both PC and NPC), city illustrations, etc. This piece was actually done 3-4 years ago.
You guys might randomly enjoy seeing some various sketch options we started with when I was having the drawing made initially. As it turns out, I liked the top one the best as did the artist, so that's what we did!
Super random feedback that I'm not sure where else to put - I kind of dislike upcoming for events like these. The idea is nice to let people know something's happening, but there are two things that I don't really like about it.
The first is that people take it in-game like they're some sort of prophets, and start grouping up when time gets near and refer to it in-game. It felt like the announcements about events through upcoming were OOC but I could have perceived that wrong.
The second is the knowledge of exactly when something exciting is going to happen detracts from the sense of spontaneity, which is something I've always enjoyed. I know any time Deucalion or Aurora did something with us, we never really got a warning about it; something just started and that really reinforced the notion that anything can happen at any time. The Haldoran stuff was completely spontaneous without warning, and I thought that was amazing.
I really like upcoming as a way to let people know something big is going to happen. I wonder if turning it into a kind of in-game system would be beneficial or detrimental to the goals and the game's atmosphere.
For example, I loved the elemental deathsights and the parts that built up to the catastrophic part of the event. What if one of the zillion prophet denizens shouted a cryptic prophecy hinting that something's going to happen around early Phaestean? If that isn't precise enough, could give a vague date like around Phaestean 3rd and let it be +/- 1-2 hours. This would preserve the idea of upcoming while bridging that awkward gap of not wanting to discuss it in-game but knowing something's coming.
This would definitely make it harder to log in/pay attention just for that one specific event on upcoming, though. Maybe certain events could give exact dates, and others time frames. Just brainstorming, hope this feedback is helpful!
I don't think it is necessarily a problem with upcoming, but maybe more of a problem of how players themselves incorporate it into the game.
You don't need to have a funny feeling or a prophetic vision and an excuse to be online. Your character is always here, saying you are here for a specific special thing is kinda weird.
That said, your idea of the awkwardness could be alleviated by deniziens prophets shouting about it cryptically is valid, but the prophets going "SHITS GONNA GO DOWN IN PHAESTEAN" doesn't quite fit in the cryptic aesthestic.
I can't be 100% sure on this, but it seems (from an outsider) that these upcoming events have been rather spectator(ish) in nature. Time rolls around, there is a bunch of world emotes, maybe 2-5 people get to talk to a new denizen, and event post is made outlining what could be our new task.
There were many people popping in around the time of part 1 of the UPCOMINGs asking on city channels "Have I missed the catastrophie?" "What's happening?" "Did I miss it?"
Though Cyrene CT has always been a place where the line between IC and OOC is skirted pretty regularly.
I'm surprised people actually would mention on CT about the catastrophe..before it starts.
I have no issue with people appearing for the event...if anything I think that is great. Missing events because I was away has always been painful and I tend to get upset because I missed the fun. Having it announced when it will start, is in my opinion a wonderful boon.
At most I think people should mention "I feel something is coming", that alone can be attributed to a general 'sense' of things, which is alright in Achaean RP.
Agreed, it drives me insane when I get random party invites 10 minutes before something on upcoming begins. Please make this obviously OOC, since it makes no sense for a character to know something is about to happen.
Agreed, it drives me insane when I get random party invites 10 minutes before something on upcoming begins. Please make this obviously OOC, since it makes no sense for a character to know something is about to happen.
Going to start sending you party invites for all UPCOMING... confiiiiiiiiiiiirmed.
That does't mean people won't be idiots about it though. Putting in some clear OOC tags somewhete should at least help deter the dumb CT talk.
And I love too Be still, my indelible friend That love soon might end You are unbreaking And be known in its aching Though quaking Shown in this shaking Though crazy Lately of my wasteland, baby That's just wasteland, baby
I love upcoming because I'm a busy lady and ain't nobody got time to be sitting around logged in for hours wondering when the event's gonna happen. >_>
I mean.. when you have public news posts with OOC tags I think it's a pretty clear indication that some of the player base have no regard for dipping in and out of character at will.
He is a coward who has to bring two friends as backup to jump people hunting.
I mean.. when you have public news posts with OOC tags I think it's a pretty clear indication that some of the player base have no regard for dipping in and out of character at will.
I have no idea why you couldn't leave the IC date going and leave a nice note that if you require clarification of the schedule time to contact me and I'll assist in clearing it up. I'm imperfect as all hell for it, and get to casual in conversation and drop/let me personality creep IC, so I'm pretty forgiving to others (can't judge others for something I can't do), but even I sorta... cringed I guess, when I read that.
Because IC time is attrocious for actually scheduling things around, and the admins decided to limit using UPCOMING instead to themselves and org leaders, but nah, let's be judgmental shitbags towards someone trying to run events for other players, that'll teach them.
See, that calculates it based on some formulas that assume IC time maps to OOC time, then neatly rounds it to the IC day and OOC hour.
IC time does not map to OOC time, but instead seems to use Achaea's event timers to advance, which are not very strict, nevermind the effects of actual server lag, downtime, or rollbacks.
There's a reason the admins created UPCOMING and often use it for their bigger events.
Just use Serenade and the IC month as a basis. That's super simple - everyone knows when Serenade is personally for them, and counting from there isn't hard.
"In the month of Mayan, one day after Serenade, a sacrifice to the Master will be held."
Now I know that on Mayan (which is whatever day of the week), an hour past Serenade (so 8pm for me during this time of year), there's an event I want to be at.
Way, way better than OOC tags.
And I love too Be still, my indelible friend That love soon might end You are unbreaking And be known in its aching Though quaking Shown in this shaking Though crazy Lately of my wasteland, baby That's just wasteland, baby
Because IC time is attrocious for actually scheduling things around, and the admins decided to limit using UPCOMING instead to themselves and org leaders, but nah, let's be judgmental shitbags towards someone trying to run events for other players, that'll teach them.
It's not about being a shitbag, but pointing out that our opinion on this is what it is. I'd probably be ok if it was slapped below the signature of the post itself, in brackets out of the way so it doesn't feel like an author of a book just randomly added into the story that their cat bit them on the foot. I understand attempting to ensure less confusion where possible, but it's definitely best to read something back and ask yourself "Does this seem ok?" and to me, being IC then a quick dip out and back in just makes me scratch my head.
Just use Serenade and the IC month as a basis. That's super simple - everyone knows when Serenade is personally for them, and counting from there isn't hard.
"In the month of Mayan, one day after Serenade, a sacrifice to the Master will be held."
Now I know that on Mayan (which is whatever day of the week), an hour past Serenade (so 8pm for me during this time of year), there's an event I want to be at.
Way, way better than OOC tags.
Is that "Find the Serenade in Mayan, and the event is one hour after that" or "Find where the day after a Serenade is in Mayan, and that's when the event is"?
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Agree. I'm not usually able to be around for big events because right now the only time I am able to play is at work (which means usually I have some work-like thing going on and the wi-fi here is horrible). But even during the Tsol'teth or whatever, when I was here all I did was bash the shadowy shit. It was semi-mindless but just the relaxation I needed. And I would usually go in as an advanced party and clear areas for the smaller players. It wasn't much but it made it interesting enough that I hated not being around for the rest.
And what are squirrels but just daytime tree-rats, really?
I used to bull's-eye womp rats in my T-16 back home. They're not much bigger than two meters
You guys might randomly enjoy seeing some various sketch options we started with when I was having the drawing made initially. As it turns out, I liked the top one the best as did the artist, so that's what we did!
https://imgur.com/gallery/jAcdK
Squirrel: YES I CAN *shits all over*
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The first is that people take it in-game like they're some sort of prophets, and start grouping up when time gets near and refer to it in-game. It felt like the announcements about events through upcoming were OOC but I could have perceived that wrong.
The second is the knowledge of exactly when something exciting is going to happen detracts from the sense of spontaneity, which is something I've always enjoyed. I know any time Deucalion or Aurora did something with us, we never really got a warning about it; something just started and that really reinforced the notion that anything can happen at any time. The Haldoran stuff was completely spontaneous without warning, and I thought that was amazing.
I really like upcoming as a way to let people know something big is going to happen. I wonder if turning it into a kind of in-game system would be beneficial or detrimental to the goals and the game's atmosphere.
For example, I loved the elemental deathsights and the parts that built up to the catastrophic part of the event. What if one of the zillion prophet denizens shouted a cryptic prophecy hinting that something's going to happen around early Phaestean? If that isn't precise enough, could give a vague date like around Phaestean 3rd and let it be +/- 1-2 hours. This would preserve the idea of upcoming while bridging that awkward gap of not wanting to discuss it in-game but knowing something's coming.
This would definitely make it harder to log in/pay attention just for that one specific event on upcoming, though. Maybe certain events could give exact dates, and others time frames. Just brainstorming, hope this feedback is helpful!
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You don't need to have a funny feeling or a prophetic vision and an excuse to be online. Your character is always here, saying you are here for a specific special thing is kinda weird.
That said, your idea of the awkwardness could be alleviated by deniziens prophets shouting about it cryptically is valid, but the prophets going "SHITS GONNA GO DOWN IN PHAESTEAN" doesn't quite fit in the cryptic aesthestic.
I can't be 100% sure on this, but it seems (from an outsider) that these upcoming events have been rather spectator(ish) in nature. Time rolls around, there is a bunch of world emotes, maybe 2-5 people get to talk to a new denizen, and event post is made outlining what could be our new task.
As is, before the last thing there was some npc shouting about 2 hours beforehand anyway.
Though Cyrene CT has always been a place where the line between IC and OOC is skirted pretty regularly.
I'm surprised people actually would mention on CT about the catastrophe..before it starts.
I have no issue with people appearing for the event...if anything I think that is great. Missing events because I was away has always been painful and I tend to get upset because I missed the fun. Having it announced when it will start, is in my opinion a wonderful boon.
At most I think people should mention "I feel something is coming", that alone can be attributed to a general 'sense' of things, which is alright in Achaean RP.
Saying..."Catastrophe in 1 day"...yeah...no...
That love soon might end You are unbreaking
And be known in its aching Though quaking
Shown in this shaking Though crazy
Lately of my wasteland, baby That's just wasteland, baby
That was pretty easy...
IC time does not map to OOC time, but instead seems to use Achaea's event timers to advance, which are not very strict, nevermind the effects of actual server lag, downtime, or rollbacks.
There's a reason the admins created UPCOMING and often use it for their bigger events.
"In the month of Mayan, one day after Serenade, a sacrifice to the Master will be held."
Now I know that on Mayan (which is whatever day of the week), an hour past Serenade (so 8pm for me during this time of year), there's an event I want to be at.
Way, way better than OOC tags.
That love soon might end You are unbreaking
And be known in its aching Though quaking
Shown in this shaking Though crazy
Lately of my wasteland, baby That's just wasteland, baby
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