Quick Combat Questions

Jovolo · July 2016

Anyone got numbers for Monk Choke and Crush nowadays?

16 through to 20 int, level 1/2/3 collar. That's what I'm most curious about.

Cynlael · July 2016

16 int: Ow.
17 int: Ouch.
18 int: Pls stop.
19 int: Wtf?!
20 int: I'm dead.

Lv1 collar: 10% more ow.
Lv2 collar: 15% more pain.
Lv3 collar: Get away from me.

*roughly.

Aylek · July 2016

Cynlael said:

16 int: Ow.
17 int: Ouch.
18 int: Pls stop.
19 int: Wtf?!
20 int: I'm dead.

Lv1 collar: 10% more ow.
Lv2 collar: 15% more pain.
Lv3 collar: Get away from me.

*roughly.

19 int is actually OH GOD NO

Jovolo · July 2016

Occultidt is the most broken class ever released, can't wait until it gets rightfully nerfed. I've said for years now it had the highest aff output in the game designed around a quantity over quality affliction path. At least everyone is finally catching on.

@Jinsun :^)

Jinsun · July 2016

Lol you need something new to complain about

Jovolo · July 2016

Just messing dude. SnB is much worse.

Amranu · July 2016

I'm glad no one plays Shaman so no one realizes how broken it is.

Exelethril · July 2016

Jovolo said:

Just messing dude. SnB is much worse.

Not after the DRIVE and SMASH nerf

Kythra · July 2016

https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/aa224ee1

Can we discuss how stupid this is. Clumsiness shuts down this class harder than any others, while serpent/alchemist/sylvan can pretty much get off scott free.

@Makarios @Alrena

Exelethril · July 2016

Should make paralysis not make evileyes miss.

Farrah · July 2016

Kythra said:

https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/aa224ee1

Can we discuss how stupid this is. Clumsiness shuts down this class harder than any others, while serpent/alchemist/sylvan can pretty much get off scott free.

@Makarios @Alrena

Either the proc rate is bugged or that was something that only has less than a 1% chance of happening.

I think Apostate is fine if it's working normally (33%), but it is the reason I generally oppose the nerf Apostate classleads. The passive afflictions help ameliorate the clumsy fails.

Alchemist could use some hindrance. For serpent, it's rebounding. Sylvan falls into the awkward eq class category that's hindered by confusion instead of clumsy (awkward because not every class can confuse).

Amranu · July 2016

I pointed out the ridiculousness of the change repeatedly since the moment it happened.

Shaman at the very least has some room to maneuver with jinx now, but it's still silly.

Kythra · July 2016

Exelethril said:

Should make paralysis not make evileyes miss.

Should make it so that both evileyes cannot miss. It's retarded, serpents can evade at no cost, shrug at no cost, dual afflict with no hinder. Same with other affliction classes, clumsiness hitting Apostate and Shaman the way they did is dumb, and I'm not sure why Alchemist, Sylvan and Serpent are not getting hit with this clumsiness hammer. It's majorly dumb. Alrena could of locked him 3 times over by now, but I've literally seen her miss evileyes a total of 10 times (so 5 attempted Evileyes) due to clumsiness stick.

Alrena · July 2016

Farrah said:

Kythra said:

https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/aa224ee1

Can we discuss how stupid this is. Clumsiness shuts down this class harder than any others, while serpent/alchemist/sylvan can pretty much get off scott free.

@Makarios @Alrena

Either the proc rate is bugged or that was something that only has less than a 1% chance of happening.

I think Apostate is fine if it's working normally (33%), but it is the reason I generally oppose the nerf Apostate classleads. The passive afflictions help ameliorate the clumsy fails.

Alchemist could use some hindrance. For serpent, it's rebounding. Sylvan falls into the awkward eq class category that's hindered by confusion instead of clumsy (awkward because not every class can confuse).

I classleaded it to only proc once at most per deadeyes combo, which was rejected. Having both fail just completely ruins any momentum I have and sets me back, when it's so easy for a serpent to bury clumsy. It also happens quite often. When there's no way to do the same to a serpent, who can always evade out to recover, it quickly makes serpent a class I'd rather not fight.

Exelethril · July 2016

Perhaps you should consider wearing glasses or contact lenses before staring at people.

Alrena · July 2016

Exelethril said:

Perhaps you should consider wearing glasses or contact lenses before staring at people.

Glasses of Truestare, removes/reduces chance of clumsy affecting Evileye.

Alcinae · July 2016

500cr please

Calira · July 2016

The power of Apostate passives makes it somewhat warranted, but it definitely sucks when you're facing off against something like Serpent that also has incredible passives and a faster aff speed and Evade and still isn't hit by clumsiness.

Mizik · July 2016

My SNB DSB was affected by lagua.

Also, Antonius drop Fury for both logs, or just the one?

Exelethril · July 2016

All of them had consistent 20 STR. They very likely just fixed it.

Kenway · July 2016

Just tested on multiple people/classes. Consistently getting 84% with 18str while using an empowered bastard sword so definitely not hitting lagua. Didn't test on scim or ls but sounds like those are working.

Mizik · July 2016

Versus what class @Kenway

Kenway · July 2016

Mizik said:

Versus what class @Kenway

Serpent sans scales, Occie, Dragon, Bard, Serpent with scales, Runewarden sans algiz, Alchemist

Exelethril · July 2016

How did you confirm your numbers @Mizik Did you test versus Algiz using DWC Lagua dsb as the comparative baseline?

Omor · August 2016

Question for you smart folks.
Shaman: Is it possible to get a lockless tzantza off nowadays, with how curing is? I think I've only seen one person successfully use tzantza ( @Amranu ), but I'm pretty sure that was through a lock.

Cynlael · August 2016

Possible, yes. Plausible, not really. Requires some pretty immense fuck ups on opponent's end. You can lock them without a doll though, with good timing.

Omor · August 2016

@Cynlael
Immense fuckups, or its possible unless you're fighting at top tier? Curious because it seems Shaman doesn't have a decent fast kill except inflame, but was looking for something more... instant. Lol.

ETA: To avoid misunderstandings, I just feel that Tzantza is only used to finish off someone locked. I'd like to think it has more uses in modern combat, but I don't see them.

Amranu · August 2016

Lockless tzantza is possible.

Calira · August 2016

It isn't that lockless Tzantza is impossible, it's more that it takes more effort and luck than simply locking the person first.

Anedhel · August 2016

Hmm. I thought weaponry wasn't supposed to mix with class skills cuz it makes some things too easy (priest getting nerfed a bunch of times because of that springs to mind, and occie getting reworked, as well). Why's this allowed, then?

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70+% off of one broken leg seems a little excessive, it's super low effort and does a gajillion damage. Magi can break two legs and pummel twice, like everyone else with broken legs as a qualifier for a finisher has to

ETA: Transcendent frost and wearing a cold resistance ring, too.

ETA2: Unless it's blunt, like Aegoth thinks, in which case, fullplate should make more of a difference than that.

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