Now would be a good time to propose my plan of allowing inheritances! Retired characters could beseech some of their owned artefacts/estate onto their children, preferably eldest son. Not that I'd have any specific reason to ask coughlevel2veilcough.
I can't believe nobody said anything suggesting you may have a @Profit motive, yet!
I think part of what irks people is with some there seems no desire to hide it at all. 18yr old quad trans with soa and Artie weapon of choice touring Underworld with an established character like they own the place. Again, annoying but unavoidable.
Remember, it's on those established characters as well to not give the obvi-alts special treatment like taking them through UW because they can tank the occasional hit.
(This is assuming we want them to be brought in like any other new characters.)
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I think part of the problem with veteran newbies, whether a retiree or just a reroll, is not fully embracing that you are a brand new character with no reputation. I remember being part of Houses back in the day where if a newbie joined someone would have to run off to meet them and give a 20 minute orientation. Quite often it was me rushing to meet some condescending throw-away newbie. No matter what it is about your old character or main, be it pvp skill or exploring or whatever it may be that makes you feel like your e-peen is bigger than whoever you're interacting with, you still have to recognize. At least until you have earned some respect for yourself. If not usually you'll come across as being a smug asshole. It really isn't hard to show competence in a subtle way.
How about: "TELL <orienter> OOC: Hey, I don't want to waste your time so I just wanted to let you know that I'm not totally new."
Being a novice who already knows a lot more than a novice should is already an OOC thing. You can try to be subtle and semi-IC about it I guess, but an OOC tell doesn't seem unreasonable.
When I was doing a lot of orientations, if someone seemed to know what was up already and didn't say so, I would just ask in a similar tell.
It has always bothered me that people assume 18 year olds should be absolutely clueless and unable to even walk to places properly. It's a suspension of disbelief imo when the true newb doesn't know these things (although necessary because they need to learn the game), not when an 18 year old rolls up and actually knows how to write a letter
As a retiree from another game, I have been wondering if people are thinking about me or treating me differently because my character is 18 years old and has trans skills and a SoA. Things are a little easier for me coming from another IRE game, but I have a lot to learn and I hope I'm not missing out just because people know I retired from somewhere.
It has always bothered me that people assume 18 year olds should be absolutely clueless and unable to even walk to places properly. It's a suspension of disbelief imo when the true newb doesn't know these things (although necessary because they need to learn the game), not when an 18 year old rolls up and actually knows how to write a letter
I dunno, you met some 18 year olds these days? They have no clue about the real world, seems like a fairly accurate comparison to me.
As a retiree from another game, I have been wondering if people are thinking about me or treating me differently because my character is 18 years old and has trans skills and a SoA. Things are a little easier for me coming from another IRE game, but I have a lot to learn and I hope I'm not missing out just because people know I retired from somewhere.
For me it's all about how the character acts, if a young character has trans skills and arties that's fine. But when they have those and act like already know everything about the game, things you can only gain from experience, it's a bit un-immersive.
Artefacts, I don't care (mild envy, it'll pass). Mechanical knowledge, cool, makes my life easier. I can focus on the interesting bits.
But don't join a city and start calling other novices "young one" and "dear" and dripping with "I am a big shot" condescension. You're a new character, your character is 18 and new to the city and your rp is bad. (I guess unless you're purposely playing a pain in the ass.)
We'll almost certainly lower the limit to 500 credits at some point. Just didn't want to overwhelm the producers on the games. This has been considerably more popular than we expected, and due to some poor categorization of some things around credits back in the day, some of the manual approvals actually take a lot of time, because recalculating their credit value based on some required manual research might have to happen based on some various factors that would be really hard for us to automate.
Hey, @Sarapis Is there any way you'd consider letting characters that previously got retirement credits receive them after that 30 days is up? I'm very probably going to pour every one of the considerable sum of credits my Imperian and Aetolia characters gave me into one new one, but I have a few who are short and if you make this change, I'll have nowhere to put their credits without another new alt. Just realized that I could probably tag @Tecton about this as well, since he's probably got some idea.
I think part of what irks people is with some there seems no desire to hide it at all. 18yr old quad trans with soa and Artie weapon of choice touring Underworld with an established character like they own the place. Again, annoying but unavoidable.
I am only going to address this once since I assume this is about me (though I don't have a SoA so who knows), and since similar accusations have been thrown around about me in various other OOC places.
If your problem with me is simply that I have artefacts, then I don't know what to say to you. People don't buy credits to not have artefacts. If your problem is that I hunt Underworld, then you have a problem with the fact that I'm RPing, which is ironic. Farrah never chose to hunt Underworld. She was brought there. Being rather young and not knowing precisely what the Underworld even was, she was not going to refuse to go there! I do not know where the "like they own the place" comes from unless merely hunting Underworld is owning Underworld. Farrah has told Atalkez she does not have any interest in causing unnecessary trouble with others, and thus has not actually jumped others they see hunting there. All of her kills are self-defense, with the exception of one preemptive strike against someone who had attacked them every time he came down before.
But really, I have been putting a ton of effort into Farrah's RP, and everything she does has an IC, not OOC explanation. I don't usually disclose RP stories in this kind of way, but since I've been attacked on multiple occasions OOCly since I started playing, I'll explain a small amount: Farrah's parents are deceased. She received an inheritance along with a note of their expectations and wishes for her future. She is, thus, a bit richer than most of her age. She does not consider herself much of a warrioress, but she tries - she wants to be strong and does not want to disappoint. If asked, though, she would blame her actual success in battle on her angel, who is extremely fierce and protective of her and does all the work. Many who try to kill Farrah end up being slain by her angel. Her angel is also a guiding hand who often advises Farrah as to what to do herself. Atalkez would attest to this, as it's come into play a lot in their interactions and in creating their particular relationship.
I will not go into Farrah and Atalkez's story in detail, but there is an explanation for their interactions as well. There has been quite a bit of RP development there. But as for flaunting my past character, I refuse to tell people who I am OOCly. I also refuse to engage in OOC tells, parties, clans, etc. I cannot keep people from speculating, if they want, but it's a bit odd to blame the one who wants to keep it quiet and start anew for everyone -else's- curiosity.
Everyone who has said they were "irked" by Farrah has never interacted with her, however. I am mostly posting here for the sake of people who are hearing all of the gossip and who might be influenced by it to believe that I am not interested in RP. So, think whatever you want, and rant to your heart's content on OOC clans about how everything I do is OOC metagaming (the irony), but if you want to actually play the game, I'm there!
I think part of what irks people is with some there seems no desire to hide it at all. 18yr old quad trans with soa and Artie weapon of choice touring Underworld with an established character like they own the place. Again, annoying but unavoidable.
I am only going to address this once since I assume this is about me (though I don't have a SoA so who knows), and since similar accusations have been thrown around about me in various other OOC places.
If your problem with me is simply that I have artefacts, then I don't know what to say to you. People don't buy credits to not have artefacts. If your problem is that I hunt Underworld, then you have a problem with the fact that I'm RPing, which is ironic. Farrah never chose to hunt Underworld. She was brought there. Being rather young and not knowing precisely what the Underworld even was, she was not going to refuse to go there! I do not know where the "like they own the place" comes from unless merely hunting Underworld is owning Underworld. Farrah has told Atalkez she does not have any interest in causing unnecessary trouble with others, and thus has not actually jumped others they see hunting there. All of her kills are self-defense, with the exception of one preemptive strike against someone who had attacked them every time he came down before.
But really, I have been putting a ton of effort into Farrah's RP, and everything she does has an IC, not OOC explanation. I don't usually disclose RP stories in this kind of way, but since I've been attacked on multiple occasions OOCly since I started playing, I'll explain a small amount: Farrah's parents are deceased. She received an inheritance along with a note of their expectations and wishes for her future. She is, thus, a bit richer than most of her age. She does not consider herself much of a warrioress, but she tries - she wants to be strong and does not want to disappoint. If asked, though, she would blame her actual success in battle on her angel, who is extremely fierce and protective of her and does all the work. Many who try to kill Farrah end up being slain by her angel. Her angel is also a guiding hand who often advises Farrah as to what to do herself. Atalkez would attest to this, as it's come into play a lot in their interactions and in creating their particular relationship.
I will not go into Farrah and Atalkez's story in detail, but there is an explanation for their interactions as well. There has been quite a bit of RP development there. But as for flaunting my past character, I refuse to tell people who I am OOCly. I also refuse to engage in OOC tells, parties, clans, etc. I cannot keep people from speculating, if they want, but it's a bit odd to blame the one who wants to keep it quiet and start anew for everyone -else's- curiosity.
Everyone who has said they were "irked" by Farrah has never interacted with her, however. I am mostly posting here for the sake of people who are hearing all of the gossip and who might be influenced by it to believe that I am not interested in RP. So, think whatever you want, and rant to your heart's content on OOC clans about how everything I do is OOC metagaming (the irony), but if you want to actually play the game, I'm there!
Hey, you took me from being bored as a rogue to having fun in a city.
You're a credit to the game and I have enjoyed our interactions, and look forward to further ones.
So, thank you for being awesome.
Edit: you too @atalkez and thanks for all the learning! I will probably bug you later again!
@farrah it wasn't about you at all, not even sure I've interacted with you*? And I've not been to the UW at all, in any capacity in around 5 RL years, so it was a hypothetical remark.
Nice of you to stand up to the plate and put yourself out there though, when it would have been easier to keep quiet.
*Unless you were the kid with Atalkez in Annwyn the other day?
I was the person in Annwyn the other day with Atalkez.
I was hunting alone in Annwyn, and was attacked by Rythnin whilst hunting fairies. I slew Rythnin as he didn't cure recklessness and basically killed himself. He instigated the fight, I stood and fought.
I left Annwyn, so as to avoid any more conflict and Atalkez asked me to spar. I said I would gladly spar him once I got a few more levels.
Atalkez then offered to take me hunting and took us to Annwyn again, where I then was involved in a 2v1 against Proficy (who instigated the fight) and subsequently died to Chiam and Xer when they entered Annwyn.
Not all of us "new artied 18 year olds" are alts of another retired character in Achaea. Some of us are from other IRE games, as you can transfer them across the board. I, myself, come from Imperian and I have made a huge sacrifice, retiring my character there. I have played Imperian for over 7 years and even stopped playing MUDs all together for the past 2 years. I just recently decided I'd like to get back into MUDs again, then literally not even a week later, I get an email, telling me about this new retirement promotion. So I took it, started over again, fresh and new.
Achaea and Imperian have quite a lot of similarities, so some things do bring back old memories, but Achaea is, at the same time, totally different. So, my newbiness does show quite often.
I might be running around with a few artifacts, but believe me, I only obtained 50% of what I put into my Imperian character, plus 7 years of memories that can only be memories.
That's part of it though!
Sometimes you will never know the value of a moment until it becomes a memory.
All these supernoobs that are artied priests should just suicide/agree. We don't need more unstoppable OP bullshit walking aroun, much less have 18 year olds killing the glorious Holocaust King. Bend to my will, fools!
All these supernoobs that are artied priests should just suicide/agree. We don't need more unstoppable OP bullshit walking aroun, much less have 18 year olds killing the glorious Holocaust King. Bend to my will, fools!
All these supernoobs that are artied priests should just suicide/agree. We don't need more unstoppable OP bullshit walking aroun, much less have 18 year olds killing the glorious Holocaust King. Bend to my will, fools!
When I first started playing, I noticed there were quite a lot of other priests as well. It kind of bummed me, but only a tiny bit!
Sometimes you will never know the value of a moment until it becomes a memory.
All these supernoobs that are artied priests should just suicide/agree. We don't need more unstoppable OP bullshit walking aroun, much less have 18 year olds killing the glorious Holocaust King. Bend to my will, fools!
When I first started playing, I noticed there were quite a lot of other priests as well. It kind of bummed me, but only a tiny bit!
Go magi. Targ needs em i hear, according to @Morthif
@farrah it wasn't about you at all, not even sure I've interacted with you*? And I've not been to the UW at all, in any capacity in around 5 RL years, so it was a hypothetical remark.
Nice of you to stand up to the plate and put yourself out there though, when it would have been easier to keep quiet.
*Unless you were the kid with Atalkez in Annwyn the other day?
As I noted in my post, I wasn't sure if you were talking about me. Just thought I'd say something since a number of others have discussed the topic in particularly rude ways. If you aren't one of them, there's no hard feelings. I believe you.
Though, I was the one you attacked in Annwyn (with Atalkez), yes.
Honestly all these supernoobs are great for the game, It is bringing people back or making them enjoy achaea more. I just hope they all remember that they are new players so they might have to answer newbie questions such as basic theology. I try to make it quick and painless for them as I know the other people do also. And dang it some of you join the Harbingers, We don't just need fighters/spies
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(This is assuming we want them to be brought in like any other new characters.)
Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."
Being a novice who already knows a lot more than a novice should is already an OOC thing. You can try to be subtle and semi-IC about it I guess, but an OOC tell doesn't seem unreasonable.
When I was doing a lot of orientations, if someone seemed to know what was up already and didn't say so, I would just ask in a similar tell.
Mechanical knowledge, cool, makes my life easier. I can focus on the interesting bits.
But don't join a city and start calling other novices "young one" and "dear" and dripping with "I am a big shot" condescension. You're a new character, your character is 18 and new to the city and your rp is bad. (I guess unless you're purposely playing a pain in the ass.)
we don't assume you're a jackass in hiding for being a super noob,
you don't be an entitled shit.
I am only going to address this once since I assume this is about me (though I don't have a SoA so who knows), and since similar accusations have been thrown around about me in various other OOC places.
If your problem with me is simply that I have artefacts, then I don't know what to say to you. People don't buy credits to not have artefacts. If your problem is that I hunt Underworld, then you have a problem with the fact that I'm RPing, which is ironic. Farrah never chose to hunt Underworld. She was brought there. Being rather young and not knowing precisely what the Underworld even was, she was not going to refuse to go there! I do not know where the "like they own the place" comes from unless merely hunting Underworld is owning Underworld. Farrah has told Atalkez she does not have any interest in causing unnecessary trouble with others, and thus has not actually jumped others they see hunting there. All of her kills are self-defense, with the exception of one preemptive strike against someone who had attacked them every time he came down before.
But really, I have been putting a ton of effort into Farrah's RP, and everything she does has an IC, not OOC explanation. I don't usually disclose RP stories in this kind of way, but since I've been attacked on multiple occasions OOCly since I started playing, I'll explain a small amount: Farrah's parents are deceased. She received an inheritance along with a note of their expectations and wishes for her future. She is, thus, a bit richer than most of her age. She does not consider herself much of a warrioress, but she tries - she wants to be strong and does not want to disappoint. If asked, though, she would blame her actual success in battle on her angel, who is extremely fierce and protective of her and does all the work. Many who try to kill Farrah end up being slain by her angel. Her angel is also a guiding hand who often advises Farrah as to what to do herself. Atalkez would attest to this, as it's come into play a lot in their interactions and in creating their particular relationship.
I will not go into Farrah and Atalkez's story in detail, but there is an explanation for their interactions as well. There has been quite a bit of RP development there. But as for flaunting my past character, I refuse to tell people who I am OOCly. I also refuse to engage in OOC tells, parties, clans, etc. I cannot keep people from speculating, if they want, but it's a bit odd to blame the one who wants to keep it quiet and start anew for everyone -else's- curiosity.
Everyone who has said they were "irked" by Farrah has never interacted with her, however. I am mostly posting here for the sake of people who are hearing all of the gossip and who might be influenced by it to believe that I am not interested in RP. So, think whatever you want, and rant to your heart's content on OOC clans about how everything I do is OOC metagaming (the irony), but if you want to actually play the game, I'm there!
You're a credit to the game and I have enjoyed our interactions, and look forward to further ones.
So, thank you for being awesome.
Edit: you too @atalkez and thanks for all the learning! I will probably bug you later again!
Nice of you to stand up to the plate and put yourself out there though, when it would have been easier to keep quiet.
*Unless you were the kid with Atalkez in Annwyn the other day?
I was hunting alone in Annwyn, and was attacked by Rythnin whilst hunting fairies. I slew Rythnin as he didn't cure recklessness and basically killed himself. He instigated the fight, I stood and fought.
I left Annwyn, so as to avoid any more conflict and Atalkez asked me to spar. I said I would gladly spar him once I got a few more levels.
Atalkez then offered to take me hunting and took us to Annwyn again, where I then was involved in a 2v1 against Proficy (who instigated the fight) and subsequently died to Chiam and Xer when they entered Annwyn.
Achaea and Imperian have quite a lot of similarities, so some things do bring back old memories, but Achaea is, at the same time, totally different. So, my newbiness does show quite often.
I might be running around with a few artifacts, but believe me, I only obtained 50% of what I put into my Imperian character, plus 7 years of memories that can only be memories.
That's part of it though!
As I noted in my post, I wasn't sure if you were talking about me. Just thought I'd say something since a number of others have discussed the topic in particularly rude ways. If you aren't one of them, there's no hard feelings. I believe you.
Though, I was the one you attacked in Annwyn (with Atalkez), yes.
I.E. I retire today, in 6 months I make a newbie, like it, transfer credits over within that newbie's 30 day age?