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I had an exit for Rageteeth Beach before the pebble portal to Meropis was a thing. That was fine, I paid to have the location changed since it became pointless to have. If gare was changed to no longer work on outer islands, I'd be forced to change those exits since it becomes effectively pointless to me. Otherwise I'll just end up doing what people are already bitching about, where I use shipreturn for a free portal because I can't be bothered to keep heartstopping, which I have done in the past when I didn't have access to a ship.
If my wings no longer work in the way that I've been using them, they do lose functionality to me. Sure, I can still use them, but then I have to jump through hoops. I primarily bought them so I didn't have to sail, and I was fine with not being able to have exits to places like Annwyn and Underworld like Tanris had with his wings.
Or anything like that.
We hope the hangover isn't too awful.
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And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
Achaea is a game that gives the player choices. If their choice is to turn their ship into a place where YOU can't get to THEM, that's entirely their right. YOU don't have a right to tell THEM how and when they can be interacted with, simply because YOU play a game differently to the way THEY play a game.
The administration said it's not an abuse, or against the rules. It's not against the spirit of the game to be open to being attacked or interacted with 100% of the time. It is up to the individual as to when and how they can be interacted with, not other people.
I think it pretty obvious that the only people who are upset about not being able to get at people on ships are the people who enjoy PK and just want more targets. There hasn't been a single argument as to why it's a bad thing to have someone have a saferoom aboard their ship. Seriously, here's the list.
It's an MMO so you have to interact with people ALL THE TIME. - Answered this in this post.
People can abuse events by running there with items! - Solution has been presented. Don't allow ship boarding with the item.
People can engage in combat and then run to safety! - How is this different from any other relatively safe location? If necessary, have a timer after aggressive actions like @Kayeil has said.... multiple times.
In all honesty guys, you don't get to just stop someone from doing something because it makes them safe from whatever you want to do to them whenever you want. They have the right to play the game how they choose.
@Atalkez the you's and such aren't directed at you. It's a general term. I want to make it clear this isn't targetting anyone. If anyone DOES feel like this post is singling you out (it's not, but whatever) then I suggest you look at yourself and do some thinking.
People can disagree the earth is round and that it's actually flat if they want to.
You can't have a dynamic and evolving world without emergent gameplay. And that's completely alright.
I'm absolutely going to refute the RIDICULOUS notion that the Administration don't know what's in the best interest of the playerbase, the game and the future of both. They have run a successful business for 18 years on Achaea alone, not to mention the other IRE games.
I will absolutely trust that they know what they're doing.
There was a period of time when someone abusing or misusing things (like idling in saferooms to lose infamy) got the general response of "This is why we can't have nice things." That does't mean it's good to take away the nice things because they have the potential to be misused. You have to adapt and, if someone is going too far with the misuse in a detrimental way, turn them into an intimidating example.
Individuals actively avoiding conflict (as in not initiating anything that would result in a bowel full of swords) shouldn't be expected to sit around as fodder for those who like it. Some say QQ if you want to sit around somewhere you can't be assaulted. What does that give to the people who are complaining about it? You still don't get to interact with them, and that person and their contributions to achaea could simply vanish for good if they find themselves being told to gtfo because their lack of accessibility is destroying the game.
People do make contributions while idling. If I had to QQ every time I had to leave the computer, I wouldn't bother logging in most days. I think I contribute to achaea in meaningful ways despite that. I've crafted designs that many people have enjoyed, and I've built multiple areas that get a ton of use, concocted events, designed things for temples, houses, and cities. Any time I've done any of that, I've been logged in but not paying attention because it helped me with the right mindset for whatever I was working on.
People do things that matter. Maybe they don't matter to you, but they matter.
What some people want is to prevent people that are engaging in conflict from running to a 100% safe zone if the situation isn't completely in their favor, allowing them to opt-out of the consequences of their actions.
You could say it's not 'legally' or 'technically' abuse, sure. But legality isn't what determines what is moral/good/enjoyable. If it did, then we couldn't condemn a single action any government has ever taken.
I said in the paragraph preceding your quote that those who go overboard (like the situation you mentioned) should be made an example of, due to their lack of fair play, rather than penalising everyone for it.
Im no Rocket scientist, but a good business man listens to the masses..and if the upbove is what the masses do, man im keeping that in
@Daeir look down at your posts..you notice not a lot op thumbs up tags, this should tell you something.
I wanne give you my two year old toys to throw around and get the anger out. You may use big words to sounds mature, but the childishness in your arguments just jumps out.
Shut it or bring considerable constructive opinions to the table. I have 130 people working for me, if someone acting like you...first off ,they'll be out of my office under 2 seconds, secondly their opinions get the least noticed.
I understand the top Pvp Players frustration, you wanne hunt someone and when he hides on a SHIP..then that will get me ticked off. Maybe try and convince the garden that people with bounties on their heads should be prismable/Accesible on ships. But dont attack someone like @Kayeil indirectly (who has never in her live wanted to fight ) because she wants a carefree zone where she can inkmill.
Im a Rogue for a reason, i dont care for politics or pvp..am I yelling for that to be taken away?NO
Lets find a constructive way to help Sarapis and team to make the game ,all of us will enjoy
Second, the 'masses' don't even have a ship. They're extremely expensive.
Third, the 'masses' don't actually always know what's best for a game in the long run. They might here, they might not, but appeal to numbers is also not a very good approach to arguing something.
Daeir's not coming here and saying 'you're all wrong cuddlers' or anything, he's expounding on his points, and so's almost everyone else that's had an opinion so far. Let the guy post in peace.
Also, gold gathering is not that difficult, especially not as difficult as it used to be. Harbours have no trouble filling up. I think more people have some level of involvement in seafaring than you think.
Sarapis and those who work with him do not always appeal to numbers or complaints. As has been stated before, there've been many times they've stuck to their decisions despite complaining. You claim it's not good to appeal to numbers to argue something, but I don't see Sarapis arguing anything. It's not out of the realm of possibility that they didn't have plans A, B, C, D, etc.
1) Daeir never said Sarapis was completely clueless, merely that the admin are human beings and can be wrong. This is completely reasonable. They are, in fact, human beings.
2) Gold gathering is 'not that difficult' if you have several hours a day to play, every day, and you want to gather gold for most of those over a long period of time. Most people do not have a ship, because most people don't have this kind of free time/knowledge/will. I'm not sure why that's a contentious point.
3) The ones I said were appealing to numbers weren't the admins, it was the people I specifically replied to.