Recent Change to Runelore - Isaz

Kenway · January 2015

Isaz (Runelore) Known: Yes

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Syntax: SKETCH ISAZ ON GROUND

Extra Information: Inks: 1 Red and 1 Blue

Symbol: Flurry of lightning bolts

Details:

When sketched upon the ground, this rune calls forth a rumbling from the

earth to unbalance your enemies.

Additionally, you will be able to enhance your abilities with an

empowered weapon, allowing you to prevent enemies from fleeing your

grasp. This must be used in conjunction with the engage ability in

chivalry.

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I didn't see any announce about this but this is a thing and it works and I think it's great.
(Also currently stops tumble which is stupid but assuming that's a bug)

DISCUSS!!

Antonius · January 2015

How exactly does it work?

Kenway · January 2015

While Isaz is sketched in the room and your target is both enemied and engaged by you, attempts to leave the room have an extremely high chance of failing and throwing them off balance for ~2s. In my testing out of a little over a hundred leave attempts there were under twenty successful escapes. The preventative action removes your engage on the target so you'll have to re-engage if you want to keep it going. This is presumably to balance the fact that Isaz also prones and throws off balance passively as long as the target is in the room. If the target -is- successful in fleeing, they still hit engage and are damaged as normal.

Addama · January 2015

I just pooped myself a little.

E: It's less useful for Dual Blunt/Two Handed, since you need an empowered weapon, but Two Handed can get around this by just using Bastard and besides, blunt empowerments are coming.

Hasar · January 2015

Of note, it affects tumble. NERF PLS.

Addama · January 2015

Hasar pls

Aelios · January 2015

It stops tumble. I love it, and wish I still had my 2Hander.

Jhui · January 2015

rounds out runie very nicely with a few downsides such as less wunjo/nairat spam or dagaz+uruz and keeps piety/gravehands factional advantages because they are both instant (isaz takes about 3.5 sec to complete before it works) and can be used on multiple people/different rooms. All runies can use each others isaz with runeblades and infernal/pallie/bm can't piggyback it with engage. Pretty perfectly done.

super solid.

Jules · January 2015

Wow, thanks for posting this. Even as a non-com, I think I can say it's absolutely unprecedented for runies to have a serious "stay in the room dammit" thing other than walls (which are kind of a bitch to put up, and are now a lot easier to take down than they used to be).

Addama · January 2015

Aelios said:

It stops tumble. I love it, and wish I still had my 2Hander.

I don't think you can re-engage off balance though, which is the massive drawback for Two Handed.

Jhui · January 2015

you can

Addama · January 2015

ANNOUNCE NEWS #4254
Date: 01/04/2015 at 02:06
From: Tecton, the Terraformer
To : Everyone
Subj: Runelore tweaks

We've loaded up a few small tweaks and additions, mainly concerning Runewardens. Here's the details:

* Blunt weapons can now be empowered, and the basic weapon runes have been tweaked to have different effects when etched on a blunt weapon:
- LAGUA will give a blunt weapon the chance to bypass rebounding.
- LAGUZ will still confer a bonus to limb damage, but a lower quantity.
- LAGUL will cause a small amount of bleeding on blunt attacks.

* ISAZ now meshes better with ENGAGE, if ISAZ is present, and your opponent is engaged with an empowered weapon, it has a chance to knock them off balance when they attempt to flee.

* Loki's tear will now always double the output of a toxicology boiling/hydrate.

E: Chance to bypass rebounding seems... eh. I wouldn't want to risk it.
Limb damage bonus is neat, bleeding is okay for health pressure.
Hugalaz/Nairat will likely be the strongest runes. Eihwaz is pointless, Pithakhan is somewhat pointless.

Zuysheam · January 2015

Instead of having a chance to bypass rebounding it could be guaranteed but on a cooldown (or guaranteed within random, but visible-to-the-user windows of time).

Antonius · January 2015

Sure, you wouldn't want to risk doing it intentionally but it's a nice passive bonus that's there if you hit rebounding by mistake as dual blunt. Since they're always on, no compromise runes they're not going to be huge bonuses.

Addama · January 2015

Antonius said:

Sure, you wouldn't want to risk doing it intentionally but it's a nice passive bonus that's there if you hit rebounding by mistake as dual blunt. Since they're always on, no compromise runes they're not going to be huge bonuses.

Two are pretty much identical to the Cutting runes, the third Cutting rune increases DSB damage by about 10%, which is a nice, reliable buff.

What if the third reduced balance on Assault(*), Devastate, and Skullcrack?

*: From my testing with Kellonius, this isn't terribly necessary, as even forged Morningstars are fast enough to beat restoration on head.

Wessux · January 2015

Hasar said:

Of note, it affects tumble. NERF PLS.

Has this happened yet? Cause it freaking needs to.

Dji · January 2015

Wessux said:

Hasar said:

Of note, it affects tumble. NERF PLS.

Has this happened yet? Cause it freaking needs to.

Why?

Addama · January 2015

Wessux said:

Hasar said:

Of note, it affects tumble. NERF PLS.

Has this happened yet? Cause it freaking needs to.

Runewarden Dual Blunt/Two-Handed/Sword and Board don't have Lunge anymore, so if you tumble out, I can't rush into the next room to follow. In addition, we don't have any abilities to force you to cancel tumble. I think it's fair.

Iakimen · January 2015

Dji said:

Wessux said:

Hasar said:

Of note, it affects tumble. NERF PLS.

Has this happened yet? Cause it freaking needs to.

Why?

Need tumble for most classes to survive artied Runie finishers.

Antonius · January 2015

Tumble is a pretty important counter to a lot of things, though. Being able to completely negate that relatively trivially seems a bit absurd.

Also, walk? If they've tumbled out of the room you know which direction they've gone in and that they'll still be there because they have to recover balance. Not having lunge in three specs doesn't really justify it.

Dji · January 2015

Iakimen said:

Dji said:

Wessux said:

Hasar said:

Of note, it affects tumble. NERF PLS.

Has this happened yet? Cause it freaking needs to.

Why?

Because for most classes you need tumble to survive artied Runie finishers.

It's less than two seconds off balance. And you need to reengage or they can just leave after. Doesn't seem like it's that powerful really.

Wessux · January 2015

Dji said:

Wessux said:

Hasar said:

Of note, it affects tumble. NERF PLS.

Has this happened yet? Cause it freaking needs to.

Why?

In short nothing stops tumble. It is the get out of dodge ability. The only things that force you to cancel tumble have long balance times, and only very select few classes have that ability. This pretty much means that any finisher that runewarden has will be inescapable. And stepping away from 1v1 combat in raids it would be ridiculous. This is an advantage no one has and no one should have.

Iakimen · January 2015

Dji said:

Iakimen said:

Dji said:

Wessux said:

Hasar said:

Of note, it affects tumble. NERF PLS.

Has this happened yet? Cause it freaking needs to.

Why?

Because for most classes you need tumble to survive artied Runie finishers.

It's less than two seconds off balance. And you need to reengage or they can just leave after. Doesn't seem like it's that powerful really.

Re-engage isn't a problem. Don't think you realize that you can do it off-bal.

Tesha · January 2015

I'm just worried about the implications it has for being unable to escape thurisaz x3/hugalaz. The strength of windup combos was balanced by the threat of the target just leaving. With this, tumble having a 4/5 chance of failing takes that balance away.

Dji · January 2015

Iakimen said:

Dji said:

Iakimen said:

Dji said:

Wessux said:

Hasar said:

Of note, it affects tumble. NERF PLS.

Has this happened yet? Cause it freaking needs to.

Why?

Because for most classes you need tumble to survive artied Runie finishers.

It's less than two seconds off balance. And you need to reengage or they can just leave after. Doesn't seem like it's that powerful really.

Re-engage isn't a problem. Don't think you realize that you can do it off-bal.

Does it not add to your time when off balance when you do?

Addama · January 2015

Dji said:

Iakimen said:

Dji said:

Iakimen said:

Dji said:

Wessux said:

Hasar said:

Of note, it affects tumble. NERF PLS.

Has this happened yet? Cause it freaking needs to.

Why?

Because for most classes you need tumble to survive artied Runie finishers.

It's less than two seconds off balance. And you need to reengage or they can just leave after. Doesn't seem like it's that powerful really.

Re-engage isn't a problem. Don't think you realize that you can do it off-bal.

Does it not add to your time when off balance when you do?

It costs EQ, so no.

Dji · January 2015

Well then, in that case, it probably shouldn't block tumble.

Arador · January 2015

Yeah that's..... Wow.

Kross · January 2015

It's been bugged and it'll get fixed. The reason it hits tumble right now (I assume) is that it's being based on anything that procs engage will proc the rune effect. Calm thy titties

Makarios · January 2015

Just catching up on bugs for today, the tumble thing is next on my list.

Its important to note here you can't reengage while off eq from sketching. If you see someone sketching the damage stack from doom, you have plenty of opportunity to decide that actually, your other appointments are far more important and you're out of here. You just can't wait for them to finish setting the full thing up anymore (and it'll be on you to decide how long you're willing to risk waiting).

Arador · January 2015

Kenway said:

The preventative action removes your engage on the target so you'll have to re-engage if you want to keep it going.

Could you explain that please? What preventative action?

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