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aka: Forging not going to be very profitable in the Anarchaea state, since armour is likely to follow with the standardising.
Arachnachaea
The mechanic is interesting and fun, slowly building momentum to the point where you can really mess up someone's day. It kind of reminds me of old Alchemist. On the receiving end you just sit there thinking "This isn't so bad, not much is happening to me" and then all of a sudden this changes into "Oh god! What is happening to me!?" To be fair, I do not think anyone set up their curing to handle it well. No one was really using tree/restore to try and stay ahead of the fractures so it is hard to say how well it would do in a real make-believe world situation.
From the bit I played these were my impressions:
1. Can we as players agree on terminology please? My idea: You have a single fracture on a limb. A bunch of fractures together on a limb is a stack. Clearing a stack of giving a stack is not clearing or giving a single fracture, it is wiping all the fractures from limb or adding a bunch of fractures to a limb. I've seen people talk about wiping a stack when they actually mean curing one fracture, leading to a ton of confusion.
2. There is no point to focus speed. At least not 99% of the time. You might as well put focus precision on a triggered loop as that lets you build up fractures faster.
3. This can make using Perceive a bit of a pain as you have to sacrifice momentum to do it. This is not a completely horrible thing, though. You could track fractures on your opponent with a simple counter when they apply tonic to the limb and when you hit. But I do think people will run a lot against this spec so you will have to use Perceive when you get hold of them again, essentially slowing your momentum before you can start fracturing again at full speed.
4. Continuation looks like an awesome skill but I do not really see a use for it. If you are using your battlerage to focus precision the whole time, it could be anywhere from 1-5 seconds before it is available to cure your paralysis, and if you do use continuation you are without battlerage for 15 seconds, essentially removing the ability to perceive or focus precision for the next 4-5 attacks and losing you a lot of momentum. Might be smarter to just go defensive for a few moments, cure it and double fracture as normal.
5. Bastard is probably more potent than hammer, that extra venom along with the fracture effects can really help. It s a bit slower, but not by much really. Hammer does break limbs faster, an average of about 9 hits on a limb which to be fair is not what I would call "very fast". This is not a problem though, you are building fractures, not doing limb setups for physical breaks, I just do not think that the hammer breaking faster than the sword makes up for the lack of venom. Not going to suggest any change for this though since I could be horribly wrong with the little bit of testing I did.
6. Also, the whole DSB thing. Yes you could swap out for a cheap bastardsword to do the impale and DSB it just strikes me as less cool, especially if you have an awesome artefact hammer. Could I suggest a hammer flavoured version of DSB with the exact same method and effects? Instead of Impale, you slam your boot into the guy's throat to hold him down. Then when you get balance back you bring your hammer down on his torso for a massive crushing blow. Same damage and effects as impale, same damage and effects as DSB, deathsight could be his torso exploding or being compressed into a pulp.
Anyway, that is the impression I have of it, it really looks awesome with a lot of potential, especially if you start playing with those passive effects.
Warhammers should be breaking around two times faster than bastardswords. The speed also means more fractures per second, but less damage.
Focus speed should probably be your go to against less tanky people. You don't need to super devastate someone with only 3900 health, for instance. It also helps for chaining limb breaks outside of devastate.
Battlerage continuation is intended as a lockbreak. Its there because since you're off bal a lot more than most classes, the fitness window is far smaller than for comparable classes.
To be fair though, if you are using your battlerage on speed or precision (which you probably should if you want to stack up fractures as quickly as possible) you are normally going to be further away, timewise, from being able to use continuation to allow you to get to your tree tattoo (assuming you have tree balance as well) than from using fitness in a lot of cases but it is a nice option in niche situations.
Edit: Oh, did not having the proficiency for warhammer on the test server affect the normal limb damage as it does in Achaea?
That said, having set stats doesn't have to mean that forging is less profitable, it could mean that forging is much more profitable. That's all up to the players who have forging; they could collectively agree that the price for a rapier is now 20,000 gold - which means they're going to make 20,000 gold (maybe minus cost of commodities - call it 19,000 gold profit at hugely overpriced steel) for about two minutes of hitting FORGE.
Unfortunately, the reality is that - as with pretty much every other tradeskill - some people are going to be willing to sell their time for next to nothing. There will be plenty of people that go "Well, a rapier only takes 5 steel and two minutes to forge, so I'll do it for you at cost." and totally destroy any chance anybody has of making a profit, because now that 20,000 gold seems hugely unreasonable.
Results of disembowel testing | Knight limb counter | GMCP AB files
Either way, thanks for the experience and effort in making knight fun/unique/more than rapiers.
@Arador: "You got a lot of fracs there, all stacked up...Whoa, that's a nasty frac stack. Looks like you're all fracc'ed up the second they smack your stack with a devas...tak."
Thoughts: If my understanding is right, that devastate uses up(AKA sets to 0) your built-up fracture stacks to deal heavy limb damage, I'd use the term 'clearing stacks' for when someone cures our your stack with APPLY HEALING/VITALITY, while devastating the stacks to give out those limb breaks would count as 'burning stacks'.
Reminds me of one of the things I hated most about Caprica.
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Question: If you sword-and-board, can you just swap between blunt and edged weapons freely, or do you have to dedicate yourself to one? Because if you can swap, I can foresee that being a pretty popular, flexible, balanced option.
j/k, obv
- Limb Counter - Fracture Relapsing -
"Honestly, I just love that it counts limbs." - Mizik Corten
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Even without the icon, though, I imagine dual blunt might be nice for infernals (since you can aim each whirl separately, you can double-break like monks can). Plus, that parry negation - might be nice since BMs are now able to parry while prone.