What Happened To You Today?

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  • AhmetAhmet Wherever I wanna be
    Change veils to let people phase.
    Huh. Neat.
  • ShirszaeShirszae Santo Domingo
    As much as I hate veils, serpent class is already whored enough :/

    And you won't understand the cause of your grief...


    ...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.

  • Gems and Veils got to go!

    or be changed.

    Veil can let you get a temporary out of phase thing.. like writing manuscript where you just pop out of existence. Blackwind without movement!

    Gems can be like... turn on and it lasts 1 hour. Usable once or twice a month.

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  • I did a dumb today. Globes seem to be my dumb. For my dumb however, I walked away with the pets I wanted, a hunters belt, cool custom claws, all but two of the deaths set(the cape being what made me decide to try for all of them), and the equivallent of four new classes(shaman and knight switch arti). I did a dumb, but damn if I'm not going to enjoy the hell out of it after I'm done beating myself up. 
  • No income for Achaea would force the game into the shitter. I've played free muds and most are just awful. What makes Achaea Achaea is the fact that it earns a profit and can afford to pay employees to run the game well, instead of it being someone's hobby.

    While I don't particularly like veils, I can certainly see the appeal of offering them to players.
    Give us -real- shop logs! Not another misinterpretation of features we ask for, turned into something that either doesn't help at all, or doesn't remotely resemble what we wanted to begin with.

    Thanks!

    Current position of some of the playerbase, instead of expressing a desire to fix problems:

    Vhaynna: "Honest question - if you don't like Achaea or the current admin, why do you even bother playing?"


  • edited June 2016
    Jhui said:
    No gems too. Fuck gems
    Finally! Someone else who hates gems too. Let me see who I can hunt and who is around to defend when I raid, plz.

    Since my response to below quote got eaten:

    Making veil = journal seems pointless. Make veils make guards ignore you unless you attack them, a loyal denizen, or a citizen in front of them. Pseudo-phase!
    Rangor said:
    Gems and Veils got to go!

    or be changed.

    Veil can let you get a temporary out of phase thing.. like writing manuscript where you just pop out of existence. Blackwind without movement!

    Gems can be like... turn on and it lasts 1 hour. Usable once or twice a month.
  • AodfionnAodfionn Seattle, WA
    edited June 2016
    Ismay said:
    No income for Achaea would force the game into the shitter. I've played free muds and most are just awful. What makes Achaea Achaea is the fact that it earns a profit and can afford to pay employees to run the game well, instead of it being someone's hobby.

    While I don't particularly like veils, I can certainly see the appeal of offering them to players.
    Except, they don't pay most of their staff. Like, at all. Remember the next time that you see Sarapis posting pictures from some island paradise or from his home in the one of America's most expensive markets - a lot of people who put in good work for Achaea get paid in thank-yous and experience, not in cash. 

    I have no idea what the financial state of IRE is like; maybe it's doing well, maybe it's tanking. All I know is that some of their employees can afford to live like kings, while others - people who I know for a damn fact are helping make the game a better place and environment - don't get paid shit. 

    This is not to say that Sarapis is a jerk or that somehow every Celani deserves to be paid minimum wage for the work they do, but it's inaccurate to say that Achaea can afford to pay employees when most of them are seemingly unpaid. 
    Aurora says, "Are you drunk, Aodfionn?"
  • SkyeSkye The Duchess Bellatere
    My feelings on how strong the Power of AMEX(tm) has become in this game aside, in Big S's defence, I'm pretty damn sure his entire income isn't reliant on IRE alone. There isn't entrepreneur out there who doesn't diversify, so yeah... our rampant addiction is probably only a fraction of what fuels his 'high life'.


  • AustereAustere Tennessee
    Looks like we're going to have to do a "how much do you spend on achaea yearly" poll so we can all go on strike until veils get removed. Seriously, just delete the damn things already.  It's been requested since before I started playing and continually ignored. Veils are the single largest cash gap and divider of the haves and have nots. If you want a multiplayer game, don't force people to spend 600 dollars just to locate someone. 
  • ShirszaeShirszae Santo Domingo
    edited June 2016
    I think the problem is that people complain and moan, but in the end they buy them nonetheless. And IRE knows this.

    Why would they delete something that provides so much revenue when they know no matter how much people whine, they'll cave in eventually?

    And you won't understand the cause of your grief...


    ...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.

  • Should just up the price to 3000cr
  • Morthif said:
    Should just up the price to 3000cr
    What problem does that solve? Seems like it would just make the gap between "haves" and "have nots" even larger.
  • Taarkos said:
    Morthif said:
    Should just up the price to 3000cr
    What problem does that solve? Seems like it would just make the gap between "haves" and "have nots" even larger.
    That was his point, lol.




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  • Your soul cries out in ecstasy as it reaches new heights of power. You have advanced to level 98.
    You have reached the illustrious level of Lord of Creation.

    So it begins...
  • AustereAustere Tennessee
    Shirszae said:
    I think the problem is that people complain and moan, but in the end they buy them nonetheless. And IRE knows this.

    Why would they delete something that provides so much revenue when they know no matter how much people whine, they'll cave in eventually?
    I don't frivolously spend money.  Im a fairly well rounded adult with some disposable income.  I funded my veil by buying credits, a little at a time, with no real goal in mind. It wasn't until I had enough for a veil that I realized that it was what I wanted (see needed). Had a veil not existed, I would still have spent the money to buy credits.  I might have got an awesome rp focused artefact, bought a house in the subdivision,  or donated to the city efforts to help transition people out of necromancer classes.  Instead, I bought a freaking veil because I was tired of not knowing where people were. 
  • Austere said:
    Shirszae said:
    I think the problem is that people complain and moan, but in the end they buy them nonetheless. And IRE knows this.

    Why would they delete something that provides so much revenue when they know no matter how much people whine, they'll cave in eventually?
    I don't frivolously spend money.  Im a fairly well rounded adult with some disposable income.  I funded my veil by buying credits, a little at a time, with no real goal in mind. It wasn't until I had enough for a veil that I realized that it was what I wanted (see needed). Had a veil not existed, I would still have spent the money to buy credits.  I might have got an awesome rp focused artefact, bought a house in the subdivision,  or donated to the city efforts to help transition people out of necromancer classes.  Instead, I bought a freaking veil because I was tired of not knowing where people were. 

    Yeah, same. If I hadn't bought a veil, I'm sure I'd still have spent the same - given that there is still tons of stuff I don't have. I'm not sure it actually encourages anyone to spend more money. People unwilling to spend that amount don't spend it and just can't locate veiled people. People willing to spend it would buy other things too.
  • JonathinJonathin Retired in a hole.
    I'm p sure that veils don't really provide that much income for how many credits are purchased for other things.
    I am retired and log into the forums maybe once every 2 months. It was a good 20 years, live your best lives, friends.
  • I love my veil. If you take it away, I'll get upset. Just block other people form buying it. I'm fine with that. 
  • delete veils. nuff said
  • I feel like the issue with people who dislike veils (I am also one of those people) is the blanketness of its power. All day, every day, one is surrounded by a cloak of anonymity unless they either feel rather sporting or they are engaging their fellow veiled Achaeans. But on the other end of the spectrum, telling someone who made a considerable investment that "yeah, your item no longer works here's all your credits back" isn't going to raise any warm and fuzzy feelings for all involved.

    Perhaps instead of deleting veils, nerf the times that they can be active. Maybe the active could last for a full Achaean day and the item can only be activated once a month. That way, veil users will have to pick and choose when is the right time for veiling. I feel like that was the original intent for the item instead of having an omnipotent get out of jail free card.

    To get back on topic, I'm almost in the top 500 expwise at level 85. Maybe dragon is possible after all! 
  • AhmetAhmet Wherever I wanna be
    Aesh said:
    I feel like the issue with people who dislike veils (I am also one of those people) is the blanketness of its power. All day, every day, one is surrounded by a cloak of anonymity unless they either feel rather sporting or they are engaging their fellow veiled Achaeans. But on the other end of the spectrum, telling someone who made a considerable investment that "yeah, your item no longer works here's all your credits back" isn't going to raise any warm and fuzzy feelings for all involved.

    Perhaps instead of deleting veils, nerf the times that they can be active. Maybe the active could last for a full Achaean day and the item can only be activated once a month. That way, veil users will have to pick and choose when is the right time for veiling. I feel like that was the original intent for the item instead of having an omnipotent get out of jail free card.

    To get back on topic, I'm almost in the top 500 expwise at level 85. Maybe dragon is possible after all! 
    There's less than 100 people between me and dragon and it's still totally impossible for me to get dragon. :(
    Huh. Neat.
  • AhmetAhmet Wherever I wanna be
    I understand the people who say it doesn't make sense or that it's extremely frustrating for newbies fresh from the flame to be able to locate 5-century omni-trans fully-artied top-tier combatants whenever they feel like.

    Honestly, just make veil a 200cr artefact, refund current owners the difference. It's not a huge fucking pay gap, but it's still available to those who want it, and still keeps any fresh-from-the-flame troll from being a real pain in the arse.
    Huh. Neat.
  • So? What happened to you guys today?
  • KresslackKresslack Florida, United States
    Aodfionn said:
    Ismay said:
    No income for Achaea would force the game into the shitter. I've played free muds and most are just awful. What makes Achaea Achaea is the fact that it earns a profit and can afford to pay employees to run the game well, instead of it being someone's hobby.

    While I don't particularly like veils, I can certainly see the appeal of offering them to players.
    Except, they don't pay most of their staff. Like, at all. Remember the next time that you see Sarapis posting pictures from some island paradise or from his home in the one of America's most expensive markets - a lot of people who put in good work for Achaea get paid in thank-yous and experience, not in cash. 

    I have no idea what the financial state of IRE is like; maybe it's doing well, maybe it's tanking. All I know is that some of their employees can afford to live like kings, while others - people who I know for a damn fact are helping make the game a better place and environment - don't get paid shit. 

    This is not to say that Sarapis is a jerk or that somehow every Celani deserves to be paid minimum wage for the work they do, but it's inaccurate to say that Achaea can afford to pay employees when most of them are seemingly unpaid. 
    Sarapis also has, for many years since the early 90's as far as I know, had his hand in many different projects and cookie jars. He's been smart with what he's gotten involved in and it's worked out well for him in the long run.

    I've played everything from Wheel of Time to Avalon (Legends and First Age) to Akanbar and some other lesser known (if at all) MUDS. One thing Achaea does differently is that they do offer some sort of pay-model, and while a lot of people may see it as pay-to-win or gimicky promotions, it allows the game to stay in the forefront of the industry and offer continuously new content.

    One thing I really like about Achaea is that, while most of their staff is volunteer based, those volunteers are able to work towards a paid position. It's basically a big internship. Putting in the time and dedication and hard work has it's payoff, as we've seen with both Tecton and the recent internal producer promotions. We went from one producer to an Executive Producer with a ton of knowledge and skill and two new Producers who can learn under him.

    It's slowly growing and expanding at a reliable rate, and in this industry, that's an impressive feat in and of itself.

    Other MUDs may have their own special appeals. I particularly like a few that have intricate seasons, farming systems, warfare, mining, etc. That stuff is slowly coming to Achaea and in more reliable, better functioning models. Even the outdated an archaic Seafaring system, finally getting the attention it deserves, is/was more sophisticated than a lot of other attempts I've seen.

    I definitely don't think Achaea is tanking. I think it's doing quite well, or the recent promotions might not have been feasible. I like that for the most part promotional content and new artefacts lean heavily towards aesthetic or collectible content rather than things which could have a noticeable effect on combat.

    I digress. What happened to me today? I considered buying globes, but so far have fought off the temptation. Considering it was payday today, I find that to be remarkable. However, the night is still young, and I'm holding out hope that I can remain strong.


  • KryptonKrypton shi-Khurena


    Strong Xandir Kresslack, strong
  • KresslackKresslack Florida, United States
    Krypton said:


    Strong Xandir Kresslack, strong
    The struggle is real. I just made the mistake of going back and reading the promo announcement for this month.


  • @Kresslack Achaea/IRE games have been going for 17ish years. The number of people who have gone from players to paid admin is less than 1 per year, across all the games.

  • KresslackKresslack Florida, United States
    There could be countless reasons for that, from the fact that for a long time it was really just Matt and a couple of other people running it (he did a lot of it himself and there are still traces of that from the earlier days, such as the Seafaring system) to the fact that with any company trying to grow, you dump a great deal of your profits back into the project/company to be able to do more.

    Perhaps all of the split-off's into the other games with their various themes and specialty features weren't necessary. I can't say what prompted that or whether or not it's proven beneficial. The point is that now Achaea is showing that it has the capacity and the desire to promote people to those positions who have shown their dedication to growing the project and doing what needs to be done.

    All in all, while it really is a discussion for another place, it's progress.


  • edited June 2016
    I think one thing people here are forgetting to mention about veils is that a citymate or friend with a veil can let you detect those sneaky veil-wearers. Many people code reflexes to automatically detect onto a certain channel, all you have to do is request a call on that channel, so long as at least one citymate is available who has a veil, you might as well have a veil too.

    I know some people want to detect for more personal reasons, but there are still veil-users who will help you, provided you are friends with one. Some classes have more detection abilities than others, but Bowl of Scrying makes it available for everybody, and though it's a Shop of Wonders item, it's been there so long that I wonder if they will ever remove it, (I personally hope they don't.)

    Veils are a pain for some, but I just don't think they're that big of a pain, since you need exactly one friendly veil-owner to pretty much pierce the opposing veil should the necessity arise.
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