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  • SobriquetSobriquet
    Aegoth said:
    Jonathin said:
    Aegoth said:
    Shouldn't need to be "allowed" to lead raids. Just lead, see who comes, have a good time, learn from it. If you want to raid, red tape should not be the thing preventing that from happening
    Explain that to the people in charge of Hashan. I'm doing my best to mitigate it by making sure that there is always someone around to do it, but we have red tape.
    Hashan's getting relevant. If leaders are getting in the way with bullshit terms about "you need to be approved to lead raids", then you need to get rid of those leaders, because it's unhealthy for the city to have that mentality, and makes it less fun for those who want to experience the martial side of Hashan. Or, as MoW, and collective combatants, say "fuck you, we're not red taping this shit". They can either capitulate to that, or throw out every combatant... I'll hope that they're not dumb enough to do the latter. If they are.. fucking replace them, holy shit
    Sobriquet is the highest rank possible in the City and Army, but not currently allowed to lead or instigate raids. Which is odd, given his house requirements currently dictate he needs to lead raids.

    (Party): Mezghar says, "Stop."
  • AegothAegoth
    Antidas said:
    @Aegoth is actually right (for once). Anyone who's saying you need permission to lead a raid is quite literally stunting the growth of potential future raid leaders and combatants in general.
    Fuck you, I'm always right. By way of people saying "Aegoth's right (for once) about a thousand times before. Suck it
  • IsmayIsmay
    Just weighing in my 2 cents worth here - all restrictions, aside from reasonable restrictions, on initiating combat/conflict should be removed if you're looking to drag your org out of obscurity.
    Give us -real- shop logs! Not another misinterpretation of features we ask for, turned into something that either doesn't help at all, or doesn't remotely resemble what we wanted to begin with.

    Thanks!

    Current position of some of the playerbase, instead of expressing a desire to fix problems:

    Vhaynna: "Honest question - if you don't like Achaea or the current admin, why do you even bother playing?"


  • JonathinJonathin Retired in a hole.
    Yo guys, I'm working on the whole restriction thing one step at a time. I'm just one person though.
    I am retired and log into the forums maybe once every 2 months. It was a good 20 years, live your best lives, friends.
  • GoryllinGoryllin
    Cyrene was like that for a long time as well. Its nothing new for those who reside in Cities not well known for constant combat. Things like repercussions are constantly worried about. And its true they need to worry. Some raids I have had to defend against were sparked by the tiniest of reasons. *Shrug*. Some city population bases have very different mindsets and can't brush death and destruction off as well as others can.
  • MamiMami
    I'm curious who ever thought restricting raid leadership is a good idea esp when the city has been joining more in conflicts.
  • AustereAustere Tennessee
    Goryllin said:
    Cyrene was like that for a long time as well. Its nothing new for those who reside in Cities not well known for constant combat. Things like repercussions are constantly worried about. And its true they need to worry. Some raids I have had to defend against were sparked by the tiniest of reasons. *Shrug*. Some city population bases have very different mindsets and can't brush death and destruction off as well as others can.
    The only problem with this logic is that I don't need an invitation to raid Hashan. I can decide to raid Hashan because one of their citizens sent me a mistell that I didn't like.  I can decide to raid them because Mosr decided to hunt my favorite bashing area.  Repercussions, while it seems like they are a potentially serious matter,  really are irrelevant. 
  • SaevaSaeva
    I have first hand seen some of the red tape and over-complication Hashan seems to impose upon itself for no real reason. You gotta enable people if you want able people. And stop complicating really simple and logical things, for all of your own enjoyment and benefit. You guys can do it, I believe in you!


  • JukilianJukilian
    Certain things should be taken care of in-game, and not get dragged through the dirt here on the forums.
  • KietKiet
    edited February 2016
    Exelethril said:
    Kiet said:
    stop calling me a noob
    honours Kiet

    Abaddon's Whisper, Kiet Bayt al-Azhan (male Mhun).
    He is 361 years old, having been born on the 22nd of Sarapin, 345 years after the fall of the 
    Seleucarian Empire.
    He is ranked 381st in Achaea.
    He is one of the Infamous forum posters.
    He is the no.1 ranked forum combatant
    He is part of the Mhaldorian Forum Brigade.
    His motto: 'Never done good things, never done bad things anything but snipe, don't call me noob.'
    See HONOURS DEEDS KIET to view his 50 special forum honours.
    wtf. I go through all the trouble of getting camus kills in groups and this is what I get

    Jukilian said:
    Certain things should be taken care of in-game, and not get dragged through the dirt here on the forums.
    Ideally, yes, but I assume that people like  Saeva have enough on their plate with house leader/council/personal stuff in their own city than to go try and fix some other city's problems ICly beyond giving a suggestion here or there.

    Bureaucracy is a huge obstacle in Achaea in general, it only makes cities weaker. My honest recommendation is leaders need to fix that stuff asap or people have to just ignore the laws (which isn't ideal, but better than the status quo).


  • AegothAegoth
    Jukilian said:
    Certain things should be taken care of in-game, and not get dragged through the dirt here on the forums.
    No, don't try to hide shit under the carpet. We can talk about stuff here and discuss possible solutions if we damn well want. If it bothers you, don't be a part of the problem :)
  • SzanthaxSzanthax San Diego
    So fun to go mhaldor today with raid group today.

    They had us so out strategized ha.



  • ValkynValkyn
    How about you lot go sort out your own orgs, and realise we're aware of everything that's been raised and are working on something that obviously we're not talking about on the forums!

    @Mosr if you have a problem with the new stuff, talk to someone IG, not here. It's something that's currently being worked on so obviously we're aware it isn't perfect. There's a balancing act with everything though, and I'm sure you know that.

  • KietKiet
    If you're aware of it then you can fix it in 5 minutes by removing the issue, though? You don't really have the monopoly on Hashan discussion, and people are obviously talking to the Hashani that willingly came to the forums to talk about stuff, not telling you how to run your own life.
  • AegothAegoth
    Yea something like this isn't a "oh lets talk about it and discuss it for a year and maybe make a decision" This is a "chelp edit laws.. delete the line" done issue. All this "discuss icly hur hur we're discussing it" is nothing more than bureaucratic lip service that shows poor leadership skills. Be decisive and solve your problems via action, not talking
  • ValkynValkyn
    edited February 2016
    Except in a democracy you don't get to just pull shit like that, it's just not how it works. If you want to sit there from your pedestal and insist you know everything, go ahead, but it doesn't make it so, and it really isn't helping.

  • KasaKasa
    Wow hateul

  • KietKiet
    Shallam was a democracy too, didn't stop Silas!
  • JukilianJukilian
    What I said had nothing to do with @Saeva

    Saeva is cool

    And @Aegoth saying I'm part of the problem is amusing. Outside perspectives know everything, of course.

    Even so, this isn't the place for rants. And the people who play Hashani here have always had the option since day 1 to argue decisions made in-game, but they should try to do it in-game so it doesn't result in big unnecessary arguments like this where everyone simply has to get involved.
  • JonathinJonathin Retired in a hole.
    You can't tell me to stop talking here at all. If you have a problem with it, get over it. This isn't IC and if I want to seek the opinions of my peers, you can be damn sure that is what I'm going to do.

    Now that Valkyn knows how I feel about her trying to shut me up ooc, I will say that it's easy to stand outside and say that we should just replace people. From within though, let me tell you that people can be made to see reason and logic, such as the recent changes in policy. It's not just about tossing people.aside when you might be able to help them grow.
    I am retired and log into the forums maybe once every 2 months. It was a good 20 years, live your best lives, friends.
  • ValkynValkyn
    Jonathin said:
    You can't tell me to stop talking here at all. If you have a problem with it, get over it. This isn't IC and if I want to seek the opinions of my peers, you can be damn sure that is what I'm going to do.

    Now that Valkyn knows how I feel about her trying to shut me up ooc, I will say that it's easy to stand outside and say that we should just replace people. From within though, let me tell you that people can be made to see reason and logic, such as the recent changes in policy. It's not just about tossing people.aside when you might be able to help them grow.
    The hell? I'm not trying to 'shut you up' I'm saying IF you want something DONE go IC. If you just want to cause drama, that's your call.

  • PeregrinoPeregrino
    Today I read people arguing on the forum about something I didn't understand.  I also bought some shiro miso to make miso soup but I forgot to buy tofu.  I was in there and was like, am I forgetting anything? And then I drove home without the tofu :(
    Murad exclaims, "I give you Questing Cats!"
  • JonathinJonathin Retired in a hole.
    Valkyn said:
    The hell? I'm not tryng to 'shut you up' I'm saying IF you want someing DONE go IC. If you just want to cause drama, that's your call.

    why should this cause drama? I'm stating fact while you and Juki are telling me to handle it in-game, which btw, I'm already doing. kthxbye
    I am retired and log into the forums maybe once every 2 months. It was a good 20 years, live your best lives, friends.
  • DortheronDortheron
    Kayeil said:
    Kasa said:
    Cynlael said:
    Seragorn's outfit still better:

    look seragorn
    He is a frog-like grook and --

    He is wearing:
       Robes of the Magi, -blah-, a pink flannel pajama shirt with white bunnies, pink flannel pajama trousers with white bunnies, an adorable pair of fuzzy bunny slippers, Gauntlets of the Aldar, a Hood of the Sphinx, a mask of lifevision, an Aldar Diadem, a Collar of Agatheis, and a portrait locket of Pandora.

    The Nemesian Imperator, everybody.

    LET US ROLL THE HECK BACK HERE GUYS. 

    SERAGORN YOU STOLE MY GIG D:
    I've been dressing him like that for years, heh. He has a wooden rabbit amulet to go with it, too. Eventually I may craft him a custom bunny outfit, though. The best part is his text-wife has an adorable bunny for a pet, but she hates bunnies.
    Reminds me of when Pandora gave Tanris an adorable, weak, pink kitten. He hated it from the beginning and I think later on traded it in.
    You know, that one thing at that one place, with that one person.

    Yea, that one!
  • DortheronDortheron
    Jacen said:
    @Sobriquet @Jonathinproper response in this situation is



    I'm also not a fan of the whole "this should have been done IC" thing. #1, you make a stupid public policy, its gonna get publicly critiqued. #2, stupid policies shouldn't have to go through IC bureaucratic month-long BS to get revoked. "Take it IC" = "yeah, we might get around to changing it at some point." Leaders should be able to take the critique, recognize the bad decision, and fix it without delay.

    Famous quote I've heard and is perfect for this type of thing:

    "It's better to beg for forgiveness than to ask for permission."
    You know, that one thing at that one place, with that one person.

    Yea, that one!
  • JukilianJukilian
    That quote is honestly a terrible way of thinking and behaving
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