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  • JacenJacen
    Sidonia said:
    Jacen said:
    Kai choke is probably the most "hinderable" attack there is
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    Please name me another ability that is100% mitigated by a balanceless defense.
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  • AgravainAgravain
    So your argument is that if someone stands there and does absolutely nothing else they can avoid dying to choke alone? hrm. Yes. Convincing argument.
  • EvethirEvethir
    edited April 2013

    Jacen said:
    Sidonia said:
    Jacen said:
    Kai choke is probably the most "hinderable" attack there is
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    Please name me another ability that is100% mitigated by a balanceless defense.
    You'll be balanceless 99% of the time in melee anyways so your point is moot. You can mind disrupt and mind crush to get around the breath defense, fyi.
  • DaslinDaslin The place with the oxygen
    Have you fought Cain or Yiwen? get in room, drop retardation, fly, then stormhammer or holocaust a few times, sit back and ponder the meaning of life, rinse/repeat per room. I've watched it happen MANY times. But, we're all getting quite off track now, and I'll take the blame for it, eh?
  • NemutaurNemutaur Germany
    Agravain said:
    Holy crap that was a lot of comments in a short span of time.


    Sigh. I'm saying artie choked are too strong because they have ways of being prevented in certain specific situations. Uh huh. Also, in now way is artied magi more dangerous in range unless you have three of them, in which case, is there seriously where the discussion is headed? Okay.
    We're not talking about a single monk here either. So if you give us three magi instead of three monks with the same level of arties we have we'll have so much fun. Insta kill 2 people with one round of stormhammers if we really wanted to be mean I think.
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  • AgravainAgravain
    Daslin said:
    Have you fought Cain or Yiwen? get in room, drop retardation, fly, then stormhammer or holocaust a few times, sit back and ponder the meaning of life, rinse/repeat per room. I've watched it happen MANY times. But, we're all getting quite off track now, and I'll take the blame for it, eh?
    So now we're talking about melee?
  • AchillesAchilles Los Angeles
    Regarding monks vs magi comparison, just go indoors, now Monks win hands down.

    Really a couple of solutions

    1) add more range abilities to other classes.  I believe there are only 3 classes that have indoor remote attacks (runewardens, monks and occultists).  A few classes can do stuff from range but aren't damage based (Alchemist, Priests).  I guess Shaman/Jesters can too if they had a puppet of you.

    2) lower damage on ranged kai choke by 20% offering an incentive to melee.

    Personally I prefer 1, more skills to play with would be nice but 2 is the easier option (and melee is ultimately more fun than LoS and range).
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  • JacenJacen
    edited April 2013
    Disrupt, yes. Crush just costs health and mana, which you can sip to recover by - sip health;;hold breath -- and you won't get choked. For dealing with disrupt, see above where I suggest you get out of the area.

    ETA. A disrupting monk is not a choking monk, therefore that's one less monk's worth of damage you have to deal with. THen you have to ask yourself, against how many monks -should- it be viable to be instakilled in ranged?

    @Agravain I assumed that the rage stemmed from the fact that the victims were unable to return fire. In which case you either do nothing (quite a common thing to do) or you move in to melee, for which I did propose a solution for.
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  • DaslinDaslin The place with the oxygen
    Also, to get us back on track, here's a log. (In which, I die quickly to choke, crush, and meteor, because I didn't think)


    I can admit fault.
  • TerraTerra
    edited April 2013
    Nvm. Let's see more logs.
  • JacenJacen
    Evethir said:

    Jacen said:
    Sidonia said:
    Jacen said:
    Kai choke is probably the most "hinderable" attack there is
    image
    Please name me another ability that is100% mitigated by a balanceless defense.
    You'll be balanceless 99% of the time in melee anyways so your point is moot. You can mind disrupt and mind crush to get around the breath defense, fyi.
    Point is certainly not moot. I proposed a solution to remedy that exact situation.
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  • MizikMizik
    edited April 2013
    - off

    Edit: also:

    2129h|53% 1726m|64% 95%e 94%w ex|cdbkrh-STANCE:(DRS)-KILLING:(jhui)- XP:96% 18:54:50.932-[epi st]
    0/0|0/0|0/0|75-
    (svo): meteors: Mizik and Nemutaur hit you
    459h|11% 1726m|64% 95%e 94%w ex|cdbkrh-STANCE:(DRS)-KILLING:(jhui)- XP:96% 18:54:51.211-[epi st]
    0/0|0/0|0/0|75-(-1670h, 42.0%)

    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
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  • MishgulMishgul Trondheim, Norway
    dat blunt icon

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    One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important

    As drawn by Shayde
    hic locus est ubi mors gaudet succurrere vitae
  • VaehlVaehl
    The trash in here has some of the most illogical, combat-ignorant shit ever. Argue properly or post some -ing combat logs. Go.
  • VaehlVaehl
    See. This is how you argue.
  • MishgulMishgul Trondheim, Norway
    deadeyes, negate, basilisk gaze/glare

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    One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important

    As drawn by Shayde
    hic locus est ubi mors gaudet succurrere vitae
  • VaehlVaehl
    Siren beguile, angel/demon trace, all sense abilities, nechamandra, ague, chill, fashioning.
  • DunnDunn
    Holy shit this thread is fucking dumb currently.


    This is how I feel.


  • JhuiJhui
    hey dunn
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  • DunnDunn
    hey jhui


  • MishgulMishgul Trondheim, Norway
    dunn is stopped by a balanceless defence.

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    One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important

    As drawn by Shayde
    hic locus est ubi mors gaudet succurrere vitae
  • DunnDunn
    chant dwinnu


  • MishgulMishgul Trondheim, Norway
    qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq

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    One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important

    As drawn by Shayde
    hic locus est ubi mors gaudet succurrere vitae
  • DunnDunn
    SCREAM DWINNU


  • MishgulMishgul Trondheim, Norway
    if you dwinnu loud enough, do you get a free divorce?

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    One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important

    As drawn by Shayde
    hic locus est ubi mors gaudet succurrere vitae
  • DunnDunn
    If you dwinnu loud enough you cause Oblivion tm


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