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Slight derail in the quotes thread, and I promised to move it here, so that the quotes thread can continue to do it's thing in peace.
I will try to copy relevant quotes from all interested parties into this thread, so that we can have some context, and continue our discussion.
Please note, this is a serious thread in the Dais. Let's all please be responsible in discussion. As @Delphinus
said in the mentioned thread, the point is interaction, not complete destruction of one side or the other.
ETA: I don't think that we will come to any solid conclusions in this thread, but it might be handy to have an ongoing place for discussion, and maybe small ideas or a general direction can be gleaned from our efforts.