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Class Tier List, H2 2018

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  • VenderVender Member Posts: 288 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    occie and 2h don't have lethargy "on-demand"
    it's frustration that creates desire
    not the other way around
    unless you let it
    baby, I'll let it
  • MindshellMindshell Member Posts: 312 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    The tl:dr of it: Alchemist has mayo.

    No hate, I fight mostly as alchie because it's so damn easy to manual and do well.
    Dochitha
  • SobriquetSobriquet Member Posts: 2,424 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Vender said:
    occie and 2h don't have lethargy "on-demand"
    Instill target with lethargy seems pretty on demand to me
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    RomKrysanth
  • MexisMexis Member Posts: 35 ✭✭ - Stalwart
    I love Jester, no matter where it ranks 🥰
  • TelinusTelinus Member Posts: 272 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    *** You have not yet learned this ability ***

    Syntax:
    INSTILL <target> WITH <affliction>

    Works on/against:
    Adventurers

    Cooldown:
    2.50 seconds of equilibrium
    Resource:
    50 mana
    Details:
    This ability will allow you to instill your victim's aura with various afflictions. You may select
    from: lethargy, clumsiness, haemophilia, healthleech, sensitivity, darkshade.


    Just to put this to rest 100%
  • DridenDriden Member Posts: 410 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    as i said occie number 1
    Cooper said:
    This is one of the worst forms of special snowflake RP I've ever seen. Thanks for going to another city to do it!
    Gror
  • MizikMizik Member Posts: 2,128 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited December 2018
    Alchemist needs stupidity to lock right? That's rough.

    Did they buff BM?
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  • PyoriPyori Member Posts: 1,861 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Mizik said:
    Alchemist needs stupidity to lock right? That's rough.

    Did they buff BM?
    Yes.
    No.

  • JovoloJovolo EnglandMember Posts: 3,241 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Why do they need stupidity to lock?
  • AtalkezAtalkez Member Posts: 5,047 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited December 2018
    Salt or whatever is stopped by stupidity


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  • ExelethrilExelethril Member Posts: 3,352 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited December 2018
    It's a bad idea to gate the ability to lock an alchemist(or any class) behind a focusable, it's a massive crutch

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  • FarrahFarrah Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 2,511 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    It's a misunderstanding of combat to see it as requiring that focusable pre-lock. I almost never pre-stupidity'd as bard and I locked plenty of alchemists. RNG cures are RNG cures. It's only a chance of a lock break. You can just let them salt once and stupidity after. That's why the affs are more difficult to stick for random cure abilities now.
    Jovolo
  • JovoloJovolo EnglandMember Posts: 3,241 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Consider it like people have been tree tattoo for over a decade, what are kelp and ginseng stacks for? 
  • PyoriPyori Member Posts: 1,861 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Everyone knows that when you don't care, salt will cure something inconsequential like nausea.
    When you're wanting to finish, it'll get asthma or slickness 100% of the time.

    Emiya
  • AtalkezAtalkez Member Posts: 5,047 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Jovolo said:
    Consider it like people have been tree tattoo for over a decade, what are kelp and ginseng stacks for? 
    It’s less about the aff stack, than it is about being able to active heal with attack combo. No downside to using the active regarding offense.


    You hug Aurora compassionately.
  • JovoloJovolo EnglandMember Posts: 3,241 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Then that's the problem, not that it's cured by stupidity. Would it make more sense for it to consume temper balance as well as EQ/BAL?
    Geir
  • FarrahFarrah Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 2,511 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    No. It's no worse than hallelujah or shrugging and, if anything, dealing with those is far worse imo because serpent and bard have faster offenses. The suggestion was actually just rejected this past classlead round.
    Jovolo
  • TelinusTelinus Member Posts: 272 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    @farrah they may have a slower offense but aren't Alchemists a lot harder to reset against than Serpent?
  • FarrahFarrah Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 2,511 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited December 2018
    Not in my opinion. Resetting affs as a concept is entirely different against serpent compared to alchemist, though, which may be what you mean. Against serpent, if you survive until pinshot has faded and aren't just about locked at that point, you're good to go. But I think it's more difficult to defend/cure up before that point than against alchemist.

    Resetting is also not as relevant to whether they can cure passively or not. You need to race against their offense to get a kill while their passive curing is ticking. Once you're going defensive and just trying to reset the fight, you don't care about their passives anymore.
  • GilliamGilliam Member Posts: 78 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Dochitha said:
    Alchemist doesn't get to A+ cos copying Kenway, slow prep and fast prep are going to give trouble.
    huh?
  • FinchyFinchy Member Posts: 142 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    I prefer the kind where your pick of class is stereotyped, for example:

    Alchemist: Confused newbie wondering when they can shoot fire out of their hands and summon walls out of the ground OR A mysterious unknowable entity, cannot be sure they're even human any more. Has seen things you wouldn't believe. DO NOT TRUST THIS PLAYER. 

    Jester: Unbearable wretch of a person/Fairly decent person who looked at the names of the abilities and decided "Yes, I want to play this" OR pre-nerf Demon wrapped in human skin from recent victim, looked at the mechanics of the abilities and said "Yes, I want to play this". Post-nerf is most likely player in need of a hug. 

    MONK: Hunting class most in need of a hug. Don't feel too bad for them they had it good for a very long time. 

    That sort of thing. 

    JiraishinJinos
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