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  • MinifieMinifie Posts: 1,904Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    hmmm, seems my parrying is considering all knights the same, instead of defaulting to head. Weeeeeeird! Glad you posted this, I can fix that, fix fix!


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  • MezgharMezghar Posts: 72Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Either way you spin it, I dunno. All of these opponent classes are a lot more threatening than twohanded. Not to say you can't win, but I do find twohanded super underwhelming now that I'm actually you know, not level eighty trying to fight it. What's really horrible is if you miss via clumsy as we saw a lot in the Minifie log, your balance is obnoxiously long compared to most things you'll fight. So missing is extra punishing. Love twohanded thematically, definitely my least favorite mechanically.
  • PyoriPyori Posts: 614Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Mezghar said:
    Love twohanded thematically, definitely my least favorite mechanically.
    Should try fighting Shikudo as Shaman. If you miss a curse while you have lethargy your momentum is pretty much destroyed.

    Or Bard as pretty much anything.

  • DunnDunn The great Buffalo tundraPosts: 5,927Member, Secret Squirrel @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Alchemist spamming salt on cooldown massacres me in bard fwiw


  • RangorRangor Posts: 3,068Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Dunn said:
    Alchemist spamming salt on cooldown massacres me in bard fwiw
    Salt beats all aff classes I think.
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  • DunnDunn The great Buffalo tundraPosts: 5,927Member, Secret Squirrel @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited May 20
    I tried going Imp into stupidity on iakimen and he just bails lol. I would too if stupidity got stuck tbf... but what a shitty aff to have as a blocker. Any aff class without imp on demand is just boned vs salt if it’s being used effectively (temper/salt/wrack). 

    My classlead got denied on it sooooo...


  • PyoriPyori Posts: 614Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    edited May 20
    Dunn said:
    I tried going Imp into stupidity on iakimen and he just bails lol. I would too if stupidity got stuck tbf... but what a shitty aff to have as a blocker. Any aff class without imp on demand is just boned vs salt if it’s being used effectively (temper/salt/wrack). 

    My classlead got denied on it sooooo...
    Focusables blocking active cures is fucking dumb regardless. At least with Shaman's- being a salve aff- it's hidden (but not hard to detect if you're willing to throw in some logic on certain abilities), albeit a venom pretty much nobody uses.

    It was great when weariness was no longer focusable... Dunno why they proceeded to add focusables to salt/accelerate.

  • FarrahFarrah Posts: 1,921Member, Secret Squirrel @@ - Legendary Achaean

    Salt and Accelerate are a lot different than fitness because they don't guarantee a lock break. You don't have to stick stupidity or reckless pre-lock. You can rely on buffer affs instead. They're also stopped by broken arms, unlike fitness. I don't really mind them.

    Salt, in particular, is less annoying to fight than hallelujah, given the relative threat of bard and alchemist, imo. And bard can destroy any random cure without even sticking the stopper affliction with the sheer amount of free affs it gives (contradanse, songbird, acciaccatura), plus easy arm breaks. You can also freely give stupidity with a head break for salt specifically.

    Alchemist might just have too many things going for it in the momentum race though. In addition to salt being effectively "passive," they have the advantage of clumsiness not affecting temper or wrack (which is realistically most of their offense, you don't need much truewrack), increased herb balance from homunculus hits, faster paralysis delivery than most classes, and para/lethargy/clumsiness access. It's very hindering and hard to hinder.

  • TysandrTysandr Posts: 438Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Mak just wants us to be more salty.
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  • LeviticusLeviticus Posts: 318Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    If you hit rebounding, parry or miss an attack as 2H you are fucked, especially if you hit rebounding and give yourself lethargy. I want to test my 2H damage and speed verus other artied damage classes and see how much more (or less) 2H does
  • DunnDunn The great Buffalo tundraPosts: 5,927Member, Secret Squirrel @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited May 21
    Farrah said:

    Salt and Accelerate are a lot different than fitness because they don't guarantee a lock break. You don't have to stick stupidity or reckless pre-lock. You can rely on buffer affs instead. They're also stopped by broken arms, unlike fitness. I don't really mind them.

    Salt, in particular, is less annoying to fight than hallelujah, given the relative threat of bard and alchemist, imo. And bard can destroy any random cure without even sticking the stopper affliction with the sheer amount of free affs it gives (contradanse, songbird, acciaccatura), plus easy arm breaks. You can also freely give stupidity with a head break for salt specifically.

    Alchemist might just have too many things going for it in the momentum race though. In addition to salt being effectively "passive," they have the advantage of clumsiness not affecting temper or wrack (which is realistically most of their offense, you don't need much truewrack), increased herb balance from homunculus hits, faster paralysis delivery than most classes, and para/lethargy/clumsiness access. It's very hindering and hard to hinder.

    Just have to not die before you hit soft lock on the alch yeah. Takes awhile with salt/tree and I find myself having to disengage a lot more before I can hit it. 

    And prepping head vs alchemist sounds like I might as well just heartstop right now.*

    * I don’t struggle vs alchemists in general. Just Iakimen currently. I beat him a handful of times a month or so ago and have run into a wall recently vs him. 




  • ExelethrilExelethril Posts: 3,259Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Tysandr said:
    Mak just wants us to be more salty.
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  • GilliamGilliam Posts: 42Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    @Kei If they're parrying head you can break/upset a leg without losing any of your momentum to get in a precision overhand. Extra pressure, nice little momentum boost for you, and you can use it defensively to disrupt your opponent's momentum.

  • ElisellaElisella Posts: 113Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Leviticus said:
    If you hit rebounding, parry or miss an attack as 2H you are fucked, especially if you hit rebounding and give yourself lethargy. I want to test my 2H damage and speed verus other artied damage classes and see how much more (or less) 2H does
    Breaking sabbatical for a moment.

    2H doesn't hurt as much as you would expect, I'm fairly certain it's lower on pure health damage than a lot of other classes. (Mage/Occie come to mind)

    It's not really a damage class, though, it's a health pressure class and you do so from two angles. Focusing solely on damage misses the fracture half of the equation.

    Think of it in this horribly simplified way: Each hit is going to take approximately 2.5 sips to cure. With precision, it's two sips for the fractures and half of one for the damage. With speed, one for the fracture and one and a half for the damage. The catch is that it's way easier to mitigate/regen the damage sip than it is to negate the fracture count, which is where precision comes in.

    If you hit someone tanky with focus speed, you're not getting anywhere because they'll tank the damage and cure the fracture: Yes, they'll sip eventually, but then you've hit them three times and have one fracture to show for it. Meanwhile, precision has hit twice and has two fractures to show for it.

    If you're hitting someone squishy with precision and they're sipping, you're not being as efficient because you could have been using focus speed to achieve the same result.

    As far as rebounding goes, focus speed/carve is your highest DPS attack. Try it.

    Parry? You have battlefury perceive and prepping limbs should be a tertiary concern, since fractures don't care which side of the body you hit. Code up something that swaps between limbs if they're parrying it. If they don't parry their head, they're screwed. If they think you're a prep class and swap parry to fool you, hit them in the head whenever it's open.

    2H can wear down anyone in the game. The main problem is in dealing with their hinder long enough to get there.
    Shirszae
  • RangorRangor Posts: 3,068Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    2 hander got lethargy, para and clumsy to hinder them back though. Add inn dagaz and fitness for healing and they have it fairly ok.
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    ReysonShirszae
  • KeiKei Posts: 321Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Thanks for the 2H advice, all; I am still working on it, and trying things out. Might have to eat the cost and just buy a warhammer proficiency sometime, too, but will see how that goes! Not sure if my problem is just not curing properly, not taking defensive action, trying to use lethargy/clumsiness on people it does nothing to, or focusing too much on that and not my actual offence, though.

    For now, a few more logs of random spars from the past couple of days:

    @Aegeus
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/kbzwkYJ7 (DWB)
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/QaKd2kB7 (Earth Lord)
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/hUbCO_Ub (DW; he got better after this one, really)

    @Daritesh
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/aoZs5pcE
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/GlNum2rB
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/dPEoajpw

    @Gildengrey
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/4FbdG0D1

    Super Bonus I Have No Idea What I Am Doing Please Send Help Logs (feat. @Aegeus and @Emiya )
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/8r0oxhyP
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/joCEEEr2
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/goACh6gv

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  • AegeusAegeus Posts: 6Member ✭✭ - Stalwart
    Kei said:
    Thanks for the 2H advice, all; I am still working on it, and trying things out. Might have to eat the cost and just buy a warhammer proficiency sometime, too, but will see how that goes! Not sure if my problem is just not curing properly, not taking defensive action, trying to use lethargy/clumsiness on people it does nothing to, or focusing too much on that and not my actual offence, though.

    For now, a few more logs of random spars from the past couple of days:

    @Aegeus
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/kbzwkYJ7 (DWB)
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/QaKd2kB7 (Earth Lord)
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/hUbCO_Ub (DW; he got better after this one, really)

    @Daritesh
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/aoZs5pcE
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/GlNum2rB
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/dPEoajpw

    @Gildengrey
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/4FbdG0D1

    Super Bonus I Have No Idea What I Am Doing Please Send Help Logs (feat. @Aegeus and @Emiya )
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/8r0oxhyP
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/joCEEEr2
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/goACh6gv
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  • AntidasAntidas Posts: 1,464Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    2018/06/11 04:14:01 - Ajoc is slain by Eclipsed Theologian Martien Nyxillum-Borell's psychic
    assault.
    - 2018/06/11 04:23:28 - Issley dies screaming under the assault of Mezghar Al'Jafri, Elemental
    Menace's fire and flame.
    - 2018/06/11 04:23:28 - Martien dies screaming under the assault of Mezghar Al'Jafri, Elemental
    Menace's fire and flame.
    - 2018/06/11 04:23:31 - Nyneve's life has been frozen and shattered by Antidas Wintermourne,
    Luminous Shade.
    - 2018/06/11 04:23:31 - Cyro's life has been frozen and shattered by Antidas Wintermourne, Luminous
    Shade.
    - 2018/06/11 04:23:31 - Krucible's life has been frozen and shattered by Antidas Wintermourne,
    Luminous Shade.
    - 2018/06/11 04:23:31 - Issley's life has been frozen and shattered by Antidas Wintermourne,
    Luminous Shade.
    - 2018/06/11 04:23:31 - Caetano's life has been frozen and shattered by Antidas Wintermourne,
    Luminous Shade.
    - 2018/06/11 04:23:31 - Karren's life has been frozen and shattered by Antidas Wintermourne,
    Luminous Shade.
    - 2018/06/11 04:24:35 - Antidas has fallen victim to the extraordinary powers of Marshal Ajoc Ryndel
    .
    - 2018/06/11 04:24:56 - Cyro is slain by Karren L. Thorngage's psychic assault.
    - 2018/06/11 04:25:05 - Ajoc's life has been frozen and shattered by Antidas Wintermourne, Luminous
    Shade.
    - 2018/06/11 04:25:18 - Ajoc dies, his defences no match for the relentless might of Antidas
    Wintermourne, Luminous Shade.
    - 2018/06/11 04:25:33 - Krucible dies screaming under the assault of Mezghar Al'Jafri, Elemental
    Menace's fire and flame.


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    Disclaimer: Hashan kicked our ass a few times before this lol

    KarrenNyneve
  • MezgharMezghar Posts: 72Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    When you're an 11 int magi, holobombs do not win. Antidas wins.
    KarrenAntidas
  • RangorRangor Posts: 3,068Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    It is not meant to be.

    5963(100%)h, 6054(98%)m, k, cxkdb  - 15:23:31.145
    A well-kept study chamber (indoors).
    Vinia, a beautiful woman clad in flowing black robes, stands here silently. A gleaming, man-sized altar of obsidian has
    risen here, its pillars crackling with streams of ominous violet energy. Alert to her surroundings is an iron-clad black 
    bear.
    You see exits leading north (open door) and west (open door).
     5963(100%)h, 6044(98%)m, k, cxkdb  - 15:23:31.691(-10m, 0.2%) 
    (svof): Will keep rebounding up.
    (smoke 21117)
    You take a long drag of skullcap off your pipe. (5 skullcap left)
     5963(100%)h, 6044(98%)m, k, cxkdb  - 15:23:32.690
    (svof): Won't keep rebounding up anymore.
    Withered plants stand taller beneath the night sky, refreshed in the quiet darkness.
     5963(100%)h, 6044(98%)m, k, cxkdb  - 15:23:33.382
    (svof): Will keep rebounding up.
    Your lungs have recovered enough to smoke another mineral or plant. (1.536s)
     5963(100%)h, 5967(97%)m, k, cxkdb  - 15:23:34.226(-77m, 1.3%) 
    You have recovered equilibrium. (3.261s)
     5963(100%)h, 5967(97%)m, k, cexkdb  - 15:23:34.406
    (Party): Azare says, "Avicene entered the forest at A narrow animal trail winding through the jungle." (4 skullcap left)
     5963(100%)h, 6058(98%)m, k, cexkdb  - 15:23:40.423(+91m, 1.5%) 
    You feel an aura of rebounding surround you.
     5963(100%)h, 6058(98%)m, k, cexkdb  - 15:23:41.259
    (Party): Lyrin says, "They might be donezo."
     5963(100%)h, 6138(100%)m, k, cexkdb  - 15:23:48.937(+80m, 1.3%) 
    You close your eyes momentarily and extend the range of your vision, seeking out the presence of Asmodron.
    You see that Asmodron is located at Inside the gatehouse in Hashan.  (35925)
    From your knowledge, that room is in Hashan.
     5963(100%)h, 6059(98%)m, k, cxkdb  - 15:23:50.422(-79m, 1.3%) 
    (Party): You say, "Located: Asmodron is located at Inside the gatehouse in Hashan."
     5963(100%)h, 6059(98%)m, k, cxkdb  - 15:23:50.562
    You have recovered equilibrium. (0.786s)
     5963(100%)h, 6059(98%)m, k, cexkdb  - 15:23:51.173
    (Party): Azare says, "Is Esenna a target?"
     5963(100%)h, 6059(98%)m, k, cexkdb  - 15:23:51.460
    You close your eyes momentarily and extend the range of your vision, seeking out the presence of Krizal.
    You see that Krizal is located at Inside the gatehouse in Hashan.  (35925)
    From your knowledge, that room is in Hashan.
     5963(100%)h, 6049(98%)m, k, cxkdb  - 15:23:53.055(-10m, 0.2%) 
    (Party): You say, "Located: Krizal is located at Inside the gatehouse in Hashan."
     5963(100%)h, 6049(98%)m, k, cxkdb  - 15:23:53.197
    You have recovered equilibrium. (0.711s)
     5963(100%)h, 6049(98%)m, k, cexkdb  - 15:23:53.726
    A shrine of Twilight begins to glow from within...
     5963(100%)h, 6067(98%)m, k, cexkdb  - 15:24:01.397(+18m, 0.3%) 
        
    [ ALERT ] - Socket got disconnected.
                Reason: The remote host closed the connection
    [ INFO ]  - Connection time: 01:26:57.879
                    
    [ INFO ]  - Looking up the IP address of server:achaea.com:23 ...
    [ ERROR ] - Host name lookup Failure!
                Connection cannot be established.
                The server name is not correct, not working properly,
                or your nameservers are not working properly.
    [ INFO ]  - Looking up the IP address of server:achaea.com:23 ...
    [ ERROR ] - Host name lookup Failure!
                Connection cannot be established.
                The server name is not correct, not working properly,
                or your nameservers are not working properly.
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    AsmodronExelethril
  • SobriquetSobriquet Posts: 1,980Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Rangor is enveloped in translucent fire for a moment and is gone, his soul safe until he returns to
    Achaea.
    5313h, 7042m, 24050e, 26316w cexkdb-59.4- 14:24:54.092 [  ] - 0 [2][0]
    You say with a heavy Delosian accent, "Oh. "
    5313h, 7042m, 24050e, 26328w cexkdb-59.4- 14:24:57.888 [  ] - 0 [2][0]
    (Party): Asmodron says, "Oh."
    5313h, 7042m, 24050e, 26328w cexkdb-59.4- 14:24:58.559 [  ] - 0 [2][0]
    Krizal makes an offering, praying for the sanctification of this shrine to Twilight.
    5313h, 7042m, 24050e, 26328w cexkdb-59.4- 14:25:00.418 [  ] - 0 [2][0]
    The aura of consecration surrounding a shrine of Twilight continues to coalesce.
    5313h, 7042m, 24050e, 26340w cexkdb-59.4- 14:25:02.522 [  ] - 0 [2][0]
    Asmodron scratches his head in confusion.
    5313h, 7042m, 24050e, 26340w cexkdb-59.4- 14:25:02.669 [  ] - 0 [2][0]
    (Party): You say, "Dammit, did he DC?"
    5313h, 7042m, 24050e, 26352w cexkdb-59.4- 14:25:06.393 [  ] - 0 [2][0]
    Vender breathes a sigh of comfort as the flailing tentacles recede back into his body.
    5313h, 7042m, 24050e, 26352w cexkdb-59.4- 14:25:09.523 [  ] - 0 [2][0]
    The aura of consecration forming around a shrine of Twilight solidifies, snapping into place to form
    a sacrosanct barrier.


    Sorry dude :(
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    Rangor
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