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Better room-wide abilities: Magi or Bard

CerresCerres Member Posts: 4
I've played around with a few different classes. Question is which class has better room wide abilities? Magi with Crystalism or Bard with Harmonics? Last I played Magi was more or less damage centric and had no reliable way to strip mass, but with the new Artificing skill I'm not completely sure where they stand. And I'm also not at all familiar with Bards. Any information would be greatly appreciated!

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  • KietKiet Member Posts: 3,263 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Hard to say. 1v1 or groups? Harmonics generally have a bigger passive effect, but ret + destabilize addiction give mages an edge in the 'actually do something specific' area.
  • AegothAegoth Member Posts: 2,777 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Magi has WAY more group utility/effectiveness than Bard. Hands down. Deepfreeze/vibes/ret/hailstorm/holocaust/destabilise vibes/hellfumes/etc. Magi just wrecks face
  • ShirszaeShirszae Santo DomingoMember Posts: 3,252 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I am surprised you did not put holocaust in first place

    And you won't understand the cause of your grief...


    ...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.

  • KietKiet Member Posts: 3,263 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Aegoth said:
    Magi has WAY more group utility/effectiveness than Bard. Hands down. Deepfreeze/vibes/ret/hailstorm/holocaust/destabilise vibes/hellfumes/etc. Magi just wrecks face
    He only asked about crystalism/harmonics, though! With everything else, magi has better aoe definitely, but as far as those ttwo skills only, it depends on whether you'll get to use ret/destabilize adduction
  • KadenKaden Member Posts: 459 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    edited January 2016
    Magi vibes can also be used to enable below x mana instakills.
  • KafzielKafziel Member Posts: 658 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    edited January 2016
    Generally harmonics will be defensive in nature in group fights. The affliction harms aren't all that useful, but continuo/gigue/anthem/canticle/wassail are all very good for boosting a group. Bards have the advantage that harmonics are useful in line of sight fights, but magi definitely has more impact in a melee. For in-room group attacks bard basically only has percussia. Don't get me wrong, percussia is awesome and spamming it on a big group of enemies wins you a lot of fights, but it's not really all that versatile compared to what magi can do. Noise is also nice for cancelling tumbles out of ret
    Shirszae
  • SaevaSaeva Member Posts: 1,944 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Yeah, I don't even know bard -that- well but from everything I know about raiding with bards, magi is definitely going to have more versatility and overall range of utility. If your mage can stay alive (hardest part) and knows what to do and when to do it (or not to do it), they can manhandle a room and change the tide fairly dramatically.


  • KafzielKafziel Member Posts: 658 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Back before retardation changes bard/magi were a basically unstoppable combo. Harmonics and stridulation in retardation along with percussia shut down zerg rushes so hard it wasn't funny. I dunno exactly what the ret changes did but apparently harmonics don't fire in ret anymore?
  • AhmetAhmet Wherever I wanna beMember Posts: 3,370 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Kafziel said:
    Back before retardation changes bard/magi were a basically unstoppable combo. Harmonics and stridulation in retardation along with percussia shut down zerg rushes so hard it wasn't funny. I dunno exactly what the ret changes did but apparently harmonics don't fire in ret anymore?
    Neither harmonics nor vibes fire in ret
    Huh. Neat.
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