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  • Jarrod
    Jarrod Member, Seafaring Liason, Secret Squirrel Posts: 3,060 @@ - Legendary Achaean

    Are the contracts from people quitting the Mark being handled differently? Seems a bit silly you could potentially lose points to, hypothetically, someone quitting Mark with a very short time left on an active target, you get it while offline, and the contract expires before you even know about it.

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  • Tecton
    Tecton The Garden of the GodsAdministrator Posts: 2,507 Admin

    They're not, but they probably should. I'll put in a tweak that they get reset to a usable level in cases like that.

    TharvisAntidasBluef
  • Santar
    Santar Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 2,482 @@ - Legendary Achaean

    I have one of those contracts right now.


    I got a nearly expired contract dumped on me that I'm probably not going to have time to fulfill. No reason I should get penalized for having to take this leftover contract off somebody else.


    Should just make those not deduct points if the mark that gets them doesn't complete them in time.

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  • Iakimen
    Iakimen Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 109 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished

    I felt guilty having more contracts decay on me then most Champs probably saw since the system came in.

    Hated that title anyway.

  • Mithridates
    Mithridates Member Posts: 1,956 @ - Epic Achaean

    People in the Naga house should have special terms for their contracts. Here's what I'm thinking

    1) Disable bows for other members of the Naga house until the contract is complete.

    2) Teleport naga to a room with 3 exits, all three of those have no other exits.


    SylvanceBonko
  • Trey
    Trey Member Posts: 4,880 @@ - Legendary Achaean

    People in the Naga house should have special terms for their contracts. Here's what I'm thinking

    1) Disable bows for other members of the Naga house until the contract is complete.

    2) Teleport naga to a room with 3 exits, all three of those have no other exits.


     

    SherazadNemutaurShirszae
  • Strata
    Strata United States of DerpMember Posts: 1,753 @ - Epic Achaean

    People in the Naga house should have special terms for their contracts. Here's what I'm thinking

    1) Disable bows for other members of the Naga house until the contract is complete.

    2) Teleport naga to a room with 3 exits, all three of those have no other exits.


    Not sure why this is a complaint when you have one of the best methods of stopping automated archery bots from running away. Retardation.

  • Aegoth
    Aegoth Member Posts: 2,931 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Hamstring > evade > retardation.
    Shirszae
  • Kayeil
    Kayeil Washington StateMember Posts: 2,824 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited June 2014

    Big waste. Four Order contracts null and void because all four Marks are dormant. Not even sure if I want to bother hiring for the rest of the Order writs left because of this.

    Edit: Oh wait I can't,  because all of those also disappeared while waiting on contracts from dormant Marks.

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  • Nim
    Nim Member Posts: 2,015 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited June 2014

    Based on the above, I checked my messages via the website to see if any of them somehow went to me, even though the last time I've logged in was 2014-04-17, and...

    Sent By: Achaea on 6/04/3:12
    The Ivory Mark has selected you to act as champion in a matter on their behalf. Your reward will be 4564 gold sovereigns.

    So apparently almost two months of dormancy isn't enough to not get contracts? Should I log in just to quit the mark, then?

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  • Jamethiel
    Jamethiel AdelaideMember Posts: 131 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished

    @Iocun - just attack random people for tenuous reasons. It's not that difficult to become infamous.

  • Greys
    Greys Member, Seafaring Liason Posts: 740 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Iocun said:
    Tecton said:
    Sunny said:
    Jarrod said:

    I don't think players should be allowed to pick their Marks, I think the system that determines whether someone is active enough to be assigned a contract should be re-evaluated and made stricter.


    The idea and implementation are good ones, the thing that doesn't work is when contracts are assigned to 'active' Marks that are only active enough to be assigned contracts, but have no desire to complete them.

    Perhaps those who don't wish to complete their contracts should no longer be marks? I think there should be a ic 10 month rule. If the contract isn't done in 10 months it fails. 3 failed contracts loses your status as a mark. @Tecton

    This already exists with the Mark ranking system, if your rank gets low enough, you're ousted from the marks and refused re-entry.

    Oh, wow, I didn't know that! I was staying mark because I didn't mind getting an abysmal rank and I wanted to keep the "I'm fine with being PK'd flag", but knowing that it might mean being ousted and not being able to rejoin at a later time when I might actually be interested in doing contracts means I'll probably log in right now and quit mark before it's too late.

    Still a bit of a bummer I can't flag myself for being PK-willing without mark though.

    Or just make a nice public post putting out a challenge to anyone.  A little roleplaying won't hurt!

  • Iocun
    Iocun Member Posts: 3,673 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited June 2014

    My character isn't PK-hungry though, just I. That was the nice thing about mark: you could raise an OOC PK flag without actually having an aggressive character, which allowed other characters to initiate aggression against you.

    Getting PK opportunities with a "brawler" or "murderer" character won't ever be a problem, mark or not.

  • Dunn
    Dunn Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 6,324 @@ - Legendary Achaean

    I just want more contracts :(:(



  • Nyderrasethi
    Nyderrasethi Member Posts: 91 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished

    I've lost points in rankings and haven't had a contract at all yet since I joined...not really sure why there should be a decay if you don't even get a contract.

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  • Suladan
    Suladan Member Posts: 193 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished

    @Iocun‌ You could steal too, that'll get you infamous almost instantly and doesn't necessarily stick you in the random berserker/murderer category.

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  • Greys
    Greys Member, Seafaring Liason Posts: 740 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Heh, you need to earn your infamy!

  • Iocun
    Iocun Member Posts: 3,673 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Suladan said:

    @Iocun‌ You could steal too, that'll get you infamous almost instantly and doesn't necessarily stick you in the random berserker/murderer category.

    If I didn't mind changing my character to get more PK, I would have just changed it to one who actually accepted/completed contracts.

  • Klendathu
    Klendathu Eye of the StormMember Posts: 3,178 @@ - Legendary Achaean

    I concur there needs to be some kind of "I'm available for PK" flag other than infamy and being a member of Mark. If there are people who are actively campaigning for an RP flag, then I don't see why we shouldn't have a PK flag too.


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  • Sylvance
    Sylvance Member Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Jamethiel said:

    @Iocun - just attack random people for tenuous reasons. It's not that difficult to become infamous get issued.

    ftfy

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  • Sylvance
    Sylvance Member Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    edited June 2014

    Klendathu said:

    I concur there needs to be some kind of "I'm available for PK" flag other than infamy and being a member of Mark. If there are people who are actively campaigning for an RP flag, then I don't see why we shouldn't have a PK flag too.

    +1. And unless this has changed since I last played, there's already something very similar in the Rivalry system.

    Just to put this out there, though, the only real purpose that this would probably end up serving (and I could care less if it ends up happening, because I won't have the flag on) is allowing people to kill one another with no IC reason. Because if you have a reason, then the person is already 'PK flagged' for all intents and purposes under the nuPK rules.

    All that said... I can't help but feel that this is a derail. New thread for it?

    ETA: Screw it, I'll start one.

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  • Iocun
    Iocun Member Posts: 3,673 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Sylvance said:
    Just to put this out there, though, the only real purpose that this would probably end up serving (and I could care less if it ends up happening, because I won't have the flag on) is allowing people to kill one another with no IC reason. Because if you have a reason, then the person is already 'PK flagged' for all intents and purposes under the nuPK rules.

    "IC Reason" can still be a vague thing though and usually requires a personal conflict of sorts. More general reasons like "I'm Mhaldorian, I'm an evil bastard" or "I hate grooks", don't count for normal PK.

    Aside from that, there's not just the question of what's allowed by the game's rules. Most players are mature enough to have some personal restraint and don't just kill people just because they're technically allowed to - but they would gladly kill the same people if they knew on an OOC level that they don't mind being attacked.

    Sylvance
  • Hasar
    Hasar Member Posts: 795 @ - Epic Achaean

    I've lost points in rankings and haven't had a contract at all yet since I joined...not really sure why there should be a decay if you don't even get a contract.

    It makes sense. Everyone has a 2 point / year decay or so. That means if you're active it won't affect you, because you're active and doing contracts.

    But if someone is dormant, they have no chance to 'fight back' the decay. By being active you have the chance to get contracts and complete them. They shouldn't exclude people w/o contracts from decay, because that would defeat the purpose of the decay.

    As for the problem of getting no contracts, dunno, guess people not hiring; but the 2 pt universal decay was a good idea. Affects everyone the same, so it won't really affect active people, all the while accelerating the process of dumping out dormant people.


  • Nim
    Nim Member Posts: 2,015 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    They know who's legitimately dormant though. Why do they need to dump them out like that? They could just treat dormant marks as having left the mark system entirely, until they return. Why punish dormant marks and hirers just because the mark can't log in for a bit?
  • Hasar
    Hasar Member Posts: 795 @ - Epic Achaean

    That's an entirely different problem.

    There's no argument against the 2 point decay, though. It affects everyone point-wise the same, at the same time. People unable to complete contracts will go down just the same as active people completing contracts; however active people completing contracts will be able to stave off the 2 pt / year decay. 

    Which, inarguably, accelerates (but doesn't necessarily SOLVE the problem of dormant marks) the process of bumping down dormant marks.

    As for active marks who haven't got contracts; no idea, there may be a problem with the distribution or maybe the mark hasn't been in the system long enough.

    It's entirely possible that someone has been a mark the whole time and never got a contract? I am unsure if that has occurred; but again, that is a different problem.


  • Shirszae
    Shirszae Santo DomingoMember Posts: 3,493 @@ - Legendary Achaean

    To me, it seems like a flaw in the system to decay the rank of people who have not even had the opportunity to complete a contract simply because they haven't gotten one. It is not their choice, and really not their fault that they are active but the system is overlooking them.

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  • Atalkez
    Atalkez Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 5,439 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Hasar said:

    That's an entirely different problem.

    There's no argument against the 2 point decay, though. It affects everyone point-wise the same, at the same time. People unable to complete contracts will go down just the same as active people completing contracts; however active people completing contracts will be able to stave off the 2 pt / year decay. 

    Which, inarguably, accelerates (but doesn't necessarily SOLVE the problem of dormant marks) the process of bumping down dormant marks.

    As for active marks who haven't got contracts; no idea, there may be a problem with the distribution or maybe the mark hasn't been in the system long enough.

    It's entirely possible that someone has been a mark the whole time and never got a contract? I am unsure if that has occurred; but again, that is a different problem.

    Think I was Mark before system went in, and I've yet to get a contract.

    Is there an activity level per day/week or setting that maybe I'm not getting?


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  • Sunny
    Sunny Member Posts: 94 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished

    @Tecton Question because there seems to be no communication on it any more..do we get informed via message when a contract is successful or  fails? Because i haven't heard anything on mine and I know a lot of people have hired against a certain serpent and don't know anything about what's happening  with those contracts. Also I think a decayed contract should give half our money back..I mean if no mark want's to take the contract then we shouldn't suffer twice for wanting revenge on someone who tried to steal from us or attacked us...

  • Shirszae
    Shirszae Santo DomingoMember Posts: 3,493 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Sunny said:

    @Tecton Question because there seems to be no communication on it any more..do we get informed via message when a contract is successful or  fails? Because i haven't heard anything on mine and I know a lot of people have hired against a certain serpent and don't know anything about what's happening  with those contracts. Also I think a decayed contract should give half our money back..I mean if no mark want's to take the contract then we shouldn't suffer twice for wanting revenge on someone who tried to steal from us or attacked us...

    You can do CONTRACTS. If your contract is still listed there, then it has not been taken care of

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