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FantasmaFantasma North Carolina, USAMember Posts: 6
I recently got an email from Achaea saying that it was a "perfect time to come back". I've decided to give this a try again after several years. I see that much in the world has improved with a new client and improved task lists. The developers have always been active creating a rich and interesting backdrop. Yet, in reading the through the forums, especially "If you were a newbie combatant", I wonder if the game is really any more friendly to newbies. I always enjoy the game for a period of time until I realize that I'm never achieving even the most basic level of success. I never truly felt like I was full member of any city or house. I came fairly close the last time as a very active Magi in Hashan. I remember getting about 60th or 70th level going rogue when I couldn't tolerate the house BS. I'm trying Targossas this time. Do I have any reason that this time will be any different? I assume the basic house culture of oppression of new players is still in tact. Tell me...Why am I here again?

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  • JhaeliJhaeli Member Posts: 541 @ - Epic Achaean

    The forums only reflect so much of what is happening in-game, as only a portion of the populace is here. Which is why it's always better to take it with a grain of salt and look to your actual in-game experience. 

    As for your actual questions - most places have realised that newbies are the lifeblood of the game and it's gotten a LOT friendlier over time. The new $10 lesson packages make getting past the skill hurdles easier and the introduction of serverside curing has made combat and hunting easier overall. There's a lot to appreciate. Otherwise, you can only jump in and see what grabs you. And if it doesn't, it doesn't!

    "Gilgamesh, where are you hurrying to? You will never find that [everlasting] life for which you are looking. When the gods created man they allotted to him death, but life they retained in their own keeping. As for you, Gilgamesh, fill your belly with good things; day and night, night and day, dance and be merry, feast and rejoice. Let your clothes be fresh, bathe yourself in water, cherish the little child that holds your hand, and make your wife happy in your embrace; for this too is the lot of man." 

    HexanEiredhelFantasmaUtianima
  • AalmAalm Member Posts: 206 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished

    Well, one thing that the forums misrepresent about the game is the amount of Rajamalas in comparison to other races. Nearly everybody on the forums is sporting a cat avatar. I assure you, we are not actually all Rajamalas in game. If domesticated cats were allowed to roam freely in Sapience, Mhaldor would be demolished within a week. Even Targossas loses sometimes. But a bunch of meowing kittens would virtually blow up the forces of Chaos and Evil through sheer cuteness and adorableness. :)

    Srsly, the game is nice for new folks, especially if they can tell you're really not understanding everything yet. There ARE mean people in every City, but also a bunch of good funny players that would just love to tell you how awesome @Carmain 's eyebrows are.

    SharaWei
  • FantasmaFantasma North Carolina, USAMember Posts: 6
    I appreciate your post, Jhaeli. Thanks for the encouragement and the wise advice at the end

    Jhaeli
  • JhaeliJhaeli Member Posts: 541 @ - Epic Achaean
    Then a bit more for you. 

    In twelve years, I am the closest I've ever been to getting Logosian on any character. I just really hate hunting. I am also not much of a combatant. And yet, I've found numerous ways to appreciate the game (mainly via politics). You just need to find the right people to mesh into - and this can take a few characters to really find. Don't give up if, say, Targossas doesn't work for you. Try another city. (Cyrene is no where near as terrible as the forums would have you believe, for example. It's easy to find welcoming people here.)

    "Gilgamesh, where are you hurrying to? You will never find that [everlasting] life for which you are looking. When the gods created man they allotted to him death, but life they retained in their own keeping. As for you, Gilgamesh, fill your belly with good things; day and night, night and day, dance and be merry, feast and rejoice. Let your clothes be fresh, bathe yourself in water, cherish the little child that holds your hand, and make your wife happy in your embrace; for this too is the lot of man." 

  • CeniusCenius Member Posts: 3

    I got this same email a week or 2 ago, and It's been at least 5 years since i've played. Besides the fact that I didn't really play a ton back then either, I have a vague reference to killing ghosts at a monastery for hours and hours. I've started back up for better or worse and I am enjoying myself so far. There seems to be a lot of conflict between the cities which makes things interesting, albeit difficult for me at times. However on a personal level I feel like im playing a single player game. Are there enough new players that I could actually find other people to bash with? I think only 2 or 3 people in my city have ever spoken to me without me contacting them first, and they always ask me if I need anything. Yea I need something, it's friends, people to enjoy my time with, and I have no idea how to go about doing that while staying in-character. Aside from that nearly the entirety of my time logged in has been bashing solo, I mean like im past level 50 and I haven't even left the lowest rank in my house. Well that started to turn into a rant, so I'll take the other route now.

    There are a ton of improvements that have been made since I last played. The html5 client is simply amazing, and I'm not sure how it compares in speed to mudlet or other mud clients but the built in map and windows really helped me get into the swing of things very quickly. The server side curing system is fantastic, and while I've read that it has some glaring drawbacks in actual pvp combat for hunting denizens it has been a godsend. The lesson/credit packages are also much more user friendly as well, a no-brainer if you'll excuse the pun.

    Fantasma
  • TectonTecton The Garden of the GodsAdministrator Posts: 2,507 Admin

    @Cenius‌ - Mhaldor can be a quiet place, they're very militaristic, but try sending some other players on CWHO a tell and see where that leads! You could also look at striking up an in-character conversation with people that you meet when out and about bashing and questing. Nobody said that you're forbidden from talking to people outside Mhaldor!

    Worst case, this particular post may spur some people to take the extra step and strike up a conversation with you!

    RuthTaraza
  • WeiWei Monterey, CaliforniaMember Posts: 139 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    edited May 2014
    I was also away from the game for a long time (about 9 years) and have just recently returned. I'm a huge fan of all the improvements I've seen. Both to the newbie experience and to other parts of the game.

    <blockquote class="Quote">
    <div class="QuoteAuthor"><a href="/profile/Aalm">Aalm</a> said:</div>
    <div class="QuoteText"><p>Well, one thing that the forums misrepresent about the game is the amount of Rajamalas in comparison to other races...</p></div>
    </blockquote>

    Well, I don't know about the rest of the world, but it seems like about 50% of the population of Hashan are Rajamalan.

    ...and 50% of the rest are Sirens.
    Shara
  • JukilianJukilian Member Posts: 1,579 @ - Epic Achaean
    Hey now.. I'm a Grook, @Wei

    To go with your comment about oppression of house newcomers - the requirements that most Houses have for newcomers is to help you start out, give you the best advice for abilities, and help introduce you into the culture of the House and City you are a part of.

    It's all to help you get a better grip of the game, which is why newbies are MUCH better off joining a city and a House when they start out.

    If you're much more experienced with the game, then going Houseless may be more survivable.
    Gibbi
  • CaoimhaenCaoimhaen TargossasMember Posts: 800 @ - Epic Achaean
    edited May 2014
    Honestly. I think its all your attitude. If you want to try. How you want to rp and in general you just gotta pursue and talk to people. Yeah. Sometimes the older players can be hard to get a hold of, But most are quite willing to help you out. Just gotta be active and show initiative. That goes for any house and any city really. My character is mostly self taught as a combatant in a lot of things but I did bug people for tips. You need to make the effort. RP and people dont come to you. Hell. Be the change your house needs. Whatever. Just do your best and choose to have fun. If it aint fun. Try something else. If not. Dont play. Simple as that.

    Hexan
  • HanleyHanley Member Posts: 188 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished

    @Caoimhaen to be fair, your still learning. Hell, so am I.

    - 2014/05/13 03:37:22 - Jhui dies gasping for breath, asphyxiated by the power of Hanley Silverstorm's kai.


    SerpentKai Go!

    CaoimhaenHexan
  • FantasmaFantasma North Carolina, USAMember Posts: 6
    There was a bit of sarcasm in my initial post and I detect even a hint of bitterness reading it back. I think Cenius spoke for me and many others who fail to catch on in Achaea better than I did. Here is his most eloquent summary:

     " on a personal level I feel like im playing a single player game. Are there enough new players that I could actually find other people to bash with? I think only 2 or 3 people in my city have ever spoken to me without me contacting them first, and they always ask me if I need anything. Yea I need something, it's friends, people to enjoy my time with, and I have no idea how to go about doing that while staying in-character. Aside from that nearly the entirety of my time logged in has been bashing solo, I mean like im past level 50 and I haven't even left the lowest rank in my house."

    The learning curve can be frustrating at times, and tasks that would be intuitive in the real world are often very difficult to master in the game, but that is no show stopper for me. Solving problems has its own intrinsic reward. The real question I have is that after devoting months of effort to get where Cenius is in level (I will level more much more slowly on purpose to try to have a more rich immersing experience in the game world), will I find myself burnt out on another multi-tiered task list in my house without even being a full member? Will I reach the a level of suicidal rage rendering the experience completely pointless yet again? Its the effort vs reward relationship that concerns me. I've never felt that I truly had ever started the "real game".

    Of course, if the creators of Achaea or any game world solve this problem, you will create many more. Your retention rate would get so high that the world may become too crowded. More people would be willing to spend real money on the experience. You might earn enough to retire and close up shop.

    If the cycle repeats again, at least my name fits. It means "ghost"

  • JhaeliJhaeli Member Posts: 541 @ - Epic Achaean

    Sometimes the novice tasks can seem like a lot, but there's almost always purpose to them. And talking to another House member about them could be a good way to get in some interaction.

    Every city has a "hang out" room as well, where people tend to congregate. In Cyrene, it's Centre Crossing. I am less familiar with them in other cities, but they're usually in a well-trafficked place. They can make for good places to strike up random conversations and meet people.

    "Gilgamesh, where are you hurrying to? You will never find that [everlasting] life for which you are looking. When the gods created man they allotted to him death, but life they retained in their own keeping. As for you, Gilgamesh, fill your belly with good things; day and night, night and day, dance and be merry, feast and rejoice. Let your clothes be fresh, bathe yourself in water, cherish the little child that holds your hand, and make your wife happy in your embrace; for this too is the lot of man." 

  • ZukoZuko Member Posts: 730 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Cyrene - Centre Crossing
    Ashtan - Gates, NW of the Gates, or the battlements N NW U from the gates
    Targossas - The first 10 rooms of the city ex: Combat Scriptures, Rally Point, A bustling ferrier's yard, Barracks.
    Hashan - Crossroads
    Eleusis - The first 3 rooms or so when you enter the village

    Go socialize!

    Caoimhaen
  • KyrraKyrra AustraliaMember Posts: 4,861 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Would have said Fire and Spice over the battlements in Ashtan unless you don't mind a lot of spam from combat testing.
    (D.M.A.): Cooper says, "Kyrra is either the most innocent person in the world, or the girl who uses the most innuendo seemingly unintentionally but really on purpose."

    HanleyDaslin
  • NimNim Member Posts: 2,015 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I sometimes wonder why people in Achaea are so stingy about roleplaying sometimes. I know I roleplay a shy, introverted, angry-with-the-world monk, but you can't tell me all of you do. D:
    EiredhelCaoimhaen
  • LadrunLadrun MontanaMember Posts: 13 ✭✭ - Stalwart

    The community at large seems quite helpful. I have only been around for a couple days but when I have a question it doesn't tend to go unanswered for more than a couple minutes. Even if it is "you need to try and find out for yourself first" "look here ..."

    AveriSaevaCaoimhaen
  • JukilianJukilian Member Posts: 1,579 @ - Epic Achaean
    If you want to make friends, be approachable. If you want to hunt with people, ask people around your level.

    If House requirements are crazy and stressful, talk to the Head of Newcomers. It is their job to increase newcomer retention in their Houses (well, it is everyone's, but it's their job title at least).

    Anedhel's post was good advice, and from what I can see from my phone you gave Anedhel a WTF for the post. I don't understand. I'm confused.

    In general, no one will know if you want hunting partners, help, advice, friends, etc unless you say something. I know that if you just spend all your time hunting and not interacting with people, there is a much higher likelihood that people will probably not interact with you. Especially if you say nothing yourself. If you're shy it can be difficult for sure, but if you are shy IRL it's the same kinda thing so that is to be expected.

    Our advice isn't going to help you if you don't want to listen to our advice. I hope some of the advice here is making a difference.
    Caoimhaen
  • AehrenAehren Member Posts: 14 ✭✭ - Stalwart
    edited May 2014
    While Anedhel‌ has a valid point, and I agree with everything said, I also think there's an underlying clique-y attitude present throughout the game and people's interactions that isn't conducive to truly aiding those who need it, nor in including them in activities they want to participate in.

    Of course people are going to have their friends, their acquaintances, and their enemies- that's a natural result of having a personality. One of the problems I frequently encounter is many people seem to think that being generally amicable and friendly equates to being helpful. While a "look here..." may suffice for some (most?) people, if someone is going to the trouble of asking a relatively in-depth question, I assume they've gone through the obvious help files and haven't found their answer. Similarly, attempts by newer players to become involved in roleplay- whether it be primary character introductions that could lead on to something greater or something else entirely- are often not played upon, and the interaction ends with both parties going their separate ways with nothing gained and opportunities wasted.

    Players DO run the day-to-day, and while newer players should absolutely endeavour to initiate and persevere in their attempts to become truly included in the world and its activities, the onus of those interactions being meaningful is not on them alone. We ARE Achaea; as more experienced players, we have an obligation to draw them into the world we have enjoyed so much.

    My advice to you, Fantasma‌ is unfortunately similar to some of the stuff you've already heard: persevere and try and try again. I did, and I managed to surround myself with people who I respect, admire, and enjoy greatly. Keep at it, and it won't be long before you're surrounded by people who are genuinely your kind.
    EiredhelSharaFantasmaLadrun
  • EiredhelEiredhel CaliforniaMember Posts: 602 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean

    Speak of which @Aehren, play more, people miss you. 

    Advice to @Fantasma: Be consistent in being around or people will miss you. 

    Meow, meow, etc. 
    Eiredhel's Family Tree

    TharvisSharaCaoimhaen
  • AalmAalm Member Posts: 206 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    edited May 2014
    Sarapis said:
    If Cyrene was terrible, it wouldn't be one of the most popular cities (#1 or #2 population-wise, with the other being Ashtan). They're clearly doing something right up in the mountains.

    I agree -- people ridicule us on combat, but we're a cultural center, so there's a lot of good RP and thoughtful discourse. Sometimes CT erupts in puns, haikus, word scrambling, etc. It's fun.

    Caoimhaen
  • CaoimhaenCaoimhaen TargossasMember Posts: 800 @ - Epic Achaean
    > @Aalm said:
    > Sarapis said:
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    > If Cyrene was terrible, it wouldn't be one of the most popular cities (#1 or #2 population-wise, with the other being Ashtan). They're clearly doing something right up in the mountains.
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    > I agree -- people ridicule us on combat, but we're a cultural center, so there's a lot of good RP and thoughtful discourse. Sometimes CT erupts in puns, haikus, word scrambling, etc. It's fun.
    Heh. Now you are making wanna join cyrene. Cut it out.:P

    AalmJhaeli
  • FantasmaFantasma North Carolina, USAMember Posts: 6

    Thanks for all the comments. Anedhel was the most helpful of all in helping me decide if I had the time to put into this game to make it rewarding. I certainly don't wish to ruin the game for anyone and certainly never wanted to be catered to. Anyway, the solution to Achaea has always been the same for me. Thankfully, I wasted only a few precious hours of my life this time. This time it came without the rage.

    Enjoy yourselves.

    Sincerely,

    The ghost.

    HasarAepasRom
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