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Achaean languages and phonetics

AnedhelAnedhel Member Posts: 2,367 @@ - Legendary Achaean
Obviously, Achaean languages are a convoluted mix of criss-crossing real-life languages and made-up stuff, but there are, at least in some cases, pretty solid examples of what Achaean languages sound like- the most obvious example being the link between Arabic and Shallamese.

Of course, Tritonic states seem to all speak Greek, or something close to it.

What do you all suppose the major City-states' languages sound like? If there is even an approximation that makes sense. I always found it strange, for instance, that Cities would have random Chinese/Japanese-inspired Houses, that use words from those actual languages, despite the City's language not resembling either of those at all.

Racial languages obviously have their own roots and phonetic character, but I wonder if they had/have a part to play in the development of City-states' languages.

Thoughts?

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  • AlcinaeAlcinae AFKMember Posts: 627 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    edited November 2013
    I always held the belief that Hashani would be a mix of French, and maybe Italian (de Rothschild, de Valois, Sar'vet). That or Hungarian. Just because. EDIT: Or Esperanto!

    Mhaldor, I'm guessing Russian or a Eastern language like Sanskrit or Pali judging from House names, especially the case with the Naga.

  • AnedhelAnedhel Member Posts: 2,367 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited November 2013
    Interesting! Now that I think on it, Ashtan has a lot of Latin thrown in, doesn't it? City ranks are Latin, and while Archon is a Greek word, I'm pretty sure its equivalent was used in Latin-speaking places (Byzantium, for one).

    ETA: If that is true, and Mhaldorian sounds like Russian, all those tells I get in Mhaldorian just got a whole lot funnier, when I read them in a Russian accent, in my head.
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    edited November 2013
    The Asian bits probably come because of the monk-classed houses. Which is kinda nice as opposed to having a token Asia-land city like they do in RPGs
    Averi
  • AlcinaeAlcinae AFKMember Posts: 627 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    As for Eleusis, I'm thinking Gaelic.
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  • AnedhelAnedhel Member Posts: 2,367 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Yes. The Mojushai and the Ashura were the examples I was thinking of when I mentioned the Asian languages in the middle of Cities that are very obviously not Asian in any other respect.

    Gaelic for Eleusis is excellent :O
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  • AlcinaeAlcinae AFKMember Posts: 627 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    As for Cyrene, something from a Nordic country, or Swedish. Maybe.
  • AnedhelAnedhel Member Posts: 2,367 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    See, I always pictured Cyrene being Anglo-Germanic. Some language from that family (not quite Scandinavian languages, though).
    Averi
  • AlcinaeAlcinae AFKMember Posts: 627 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Anedhel said:
    See, I always pictured Cyrene being Anglo-Germanic. Some language from that family (not quite Scandinavian languages, though).
    How about Dutch?
  • AnedhelAnedhel Member Posts: 2,367 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Would make sense! Something like that or Flemish, yeah.
  • SilasSilas Member Posts: 2,652 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Cyrene is much more Roman than Ashtan. We all know Ashtan would speak American.
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  • HeguaHegua Member Posts: 160 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Vastus said:
    Cyrene, Dutch!? I refuse to be called a Cyrenian!
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  • EldEld Member Posts: 3,946 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Yeah, hard to imagine Cyrene not speaking Latin.
  • TrevizeTrevize Member Posts: 1,517 @ - Epic Achaean
    My mental images:

    Ashtan - Latin
    Hashan - Russian
    Mhaldor - German
    Cyrene - Dutch
    Eleusis - Gaelic
    Targossas/Shallam - French
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  • IocunIocun Member Posts: 3,695 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Anedhel said:
    Yes. The Mojushai and the Ashura were the examples I was thinking of when I mentioned the Asian languages in the middle of Cities that are very obviously not Asian in any other respect.
    I agree in principle, and it has annoyed me for quite some time too. Just as much as, say, the use of Latin in people's mottos or other non-English words.

    But for quite some time now I have accepted that it's going to stay and that going against that would take far more energy than it would be worth. Those things are simply so deeply engrained in tradition now that any change would take a huge effort to put into effect.
  • SilasSilas Member Posts: 2,652 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Spoken like a true Cyrenian.
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  • AepasAepas Member Posts: 1,619 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I always based the languages a bit more based on their beliefs or general appearance.

    For instance, I pictured:
    Shallam/targ-arabic: mainly due to the heavy influences of "good" religion that appears in the middle east, as well as a bit of architecture. Though if I remember correctly they could also be considered Russian. Didn't they have onion domes?

    Mhaldor-Korean: Mainly due to the general appearance of Buddhism in Apollyon's order, as well as the oppressive atmosphere of mhaldor in general. makes a good mix for SE/Asia.

    Hashan-American english: Can't really decide here, but it's generally chaotic and held the merchant guild, making me think of capitalism.

    Cyrene: Dutch/German: while people usually give Germany flack for it's aggressive language, I think of it as food. This part of Europe has a large amount of pastries and meats, and have been generally kind despite the WW1/2 era.

    Eleusis- Gaelic/Latin: assuming they are a foresty kind of "pretty" community, I'd only imagine eleusis to be something quite beautiful in perception.

    Ashtan-Itallian: Anyone that's been to Italy for any extended time would make the connection.
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  • IocunIocun Member Posts: 3,695 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Aepas said:
    Ashtan-Itallian: Anyone that's been to Italy for any extended time would make the connection.
    Sorry, but Ashtan's kawhe doesn't qualify. And its leaders don't keep large enough harems.
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  • WysteriaWysteria Member Posts: 1,826 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Daeir said:
    I actually always pictured Mhaldorian as very glottal and guttural in its sound - akin to Mongolian almost.
    I was thinking it could be a bit like how I see Genji: somewhat Manchurian in regime and culture. Mongolia I think more of the Trading Posts out in the Tundra.
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  • KadenKaden Member Posts: 470 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Szareine said:
    The Asian bits probably come because of the monk-classed houses. Which is kinda nice as opposed to having a token Asia-land city like they do in RPGs
    You mean Kashar, home of the samu--blademasters? >.>


    Aepas said:
    I always based the languages a bit more based on their beliefs or general appearance.

    For instance, I pictured:
    Shallam/targ-arabic: mainly due to the heavy influences of "good" religion that appears in the middle east, as well as a bit of architecture. Though if I remember correctly they could also be considered Russian. Didn't they have onion domes?

    Mhaldor-Korean: Mainly due to the general appearance of Buddhism in Apollyon's order, as well as the oppressive atmosphere of mhaldor in general. makes a good mix for SE/Asia.

    Hashan-American english: Can't really decide here, but it's generally chaotic and held the merchant guild, making me think of capitalism.

    Cyrene: Dutch/German: while people usually give Germany flack for it's aggressive language, I think of it as food. This part of Europe has a large amount of pastries and meats, and have been generally kind despite the WW1/2 era.

    Eleusis- Gaelic/Latin: assuming they are a foresty kind of "pretty" community, I'd only imagine eleusis to be something quite beautiful in perception.

    Ashtan-Italian: Anyone that's been to Italy for any extended time would make the connection.
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  • AepasAepas Member Posts: 1,619 @@ - Legendary Achaean

    Daeir said:
    I actually always pictured Mhaldorian as very glottal and guttural in its sound - akin to Mongolian almost.
    I did have this mindset for a long time. However, the more I thought about it I do believe that SE asia languages fit better with it.

    I believe this just comes from the whole idea that harsher languages are generally scary sounding. However I have never found mhaldor to be as "scary" as it is "cruel" which is why I believe the SE asia fits a bit better. Historically, I believe SE asia are some of the meanest mofos out there. No offense of course, it's a new era. Still, Asia has been a very powerful and cruel place for a long time.
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  • SarapisSarapis Member, Administrator Posts: 3,409 Achaean staff
    Iocun said:
    Anedhel said:
    Yes. The Mojushai and the Ashura were the examples I was thinking of when I mentioned the Asian languages in the middle of Cities that are very obviously not Asian in any other respect.
    I agree in principle, and it has annoyed me for quite some time too. Just as much as, say, the use of Latin in people's mottos or other non-English words.

    But for quite some time now I have accepted that it's going to stay and that going against that would take far more energy than it would be worth. Those things are simply so deeply engrained in tradition now that any change would take a huge effort to put into effect.
    Given how much inter-city interaction there is in Achaea, and how fluidly people move between cities, visit other cities, etc, what would be surprising would be -any- purity of naming in any city. I live in San Francisco, and I can go to places where I hear Italian, Chinese, English, French, Vietnamese, Russian, Japanese, etc spoken. Central sapience is a melting pot. 
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  • WysteriaWysteria Member Posts: 1,826 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Daeir said:
    I have to admit, Cyrenian has always sounded like Simlish (the language used in the Sims games) in my head.

    Waktarf garh noodle.
    Or in Civ II with them randomly going, "Haberdashery".
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  • IocunIocun Member Posts: 3,695 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Sarapis said:
    Iocun said:
    Anedhel said:
    Yes. The Mojushai and the Ashura were the examples I was thinking of when I mentioned the Asian languages in the middle of Cities that are very obviously not Asian in any other respect.
    I agree in principle, and it has annoyed me for quite some time too. Just as much as, say, the use of Latin in people's mottos or other non-English words.

    But for quite some time now I have accepted that it's going to stay and that going against that would take far more energy than it would be worth. Those things are simply so deeply engrained in tradition now that any change would take a huge effort to put into effect.
    Given how much inter-city interaction there is in Achaea, and how fluidly people move between cities, visit other cities, etc, what would be surprising would be -any- purity of naming in any city. I live in San Francisco, and I can go to places where I hear Italian, Chinese, English, French, Vietnaese, Russian, Japanese, etc spoken. Central sapience is a melting pot. 
    Yes, a melting pot between Achaean cultures. All Achaean languages are represented in English, to us.
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  • FitzFitz Fire and SpiceMember Posts: 604 @ - Epic Achaean
    Of course Ashtan is an admixture of Romance languages. It's the original seat of western religion! It is the Rome to Shallam's Jerusalem and Targ's Byzantium!





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  • FenFen Snappy Snappy, Takey TakeyMember Posts: 74 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Aepas said:
    Ashtan-Itallian: Anyone that's been to Italy for any extended time would make the connection.
    I lived in Italy for most of my childhood on into adolescence. I don't see it.

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