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Jester Class

AsmodronAsmodron Member Posts: 2,769 @@ - Legendary Achaean
Do you believe the Jester class fits in with Achaea's theme, and if not what would you change?
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  • DaeirDaeir AustraliaMember Posts: 6,276 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Pranks feels way too modern to fit into Achaea properly, but Jester wouldn't really work without it. Puppetry is basically a clone of Vodun - Tarot is about the only interesting thing Jesters have, and it doesn't really fit in that well with them thematically either.

    I don't know. I try and pretend they don't exist for continuity's sake.
  • AktillumAktillum PhilippinesMember Posts: 1,368 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited December 2012
    Jester class is fine and House CiJ have done a decent job of giving themselves a "performance artists" type roleplay, considering the class was (literally) designed to pay tribute to Insane Clown Posse and most of the early guildhelp files were copied from the Principia, ad verbatim.

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  • SylvanceSylvance Member Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    I think that CIJ does an excellent job of making Jesters fit the bill for Achaea.  Without CIJ, I think Jester is totally a WTF class, thematically.
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  • EldEld Member Posts: 3,946 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Another anti-Pranks vote. So many of the abilities just feel way too anachronistic (especially those damn balloons). Not sure exactly what all @Sohl is including in "flavour text", but if he means "find more thematically appropriate ways to provide the same functionality", then yeah, that would take care of most of my problems with Jesters.
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  • SohlSohl Member Posts: 569 @ - Epic Achaean
    Yes that.
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  • SobriquetSobriquet Member Posts: 2,288 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Jester class is fine
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  • DelphinusDelphinus Member Posts: 896 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    @Moonfox: The problem is that none of it is entertaining; it's all camp and puns and crass sight gags. I appreciate the few jesters who do satire and do it right despite this, because they're playing the royal fool at his best. It's clever and biting and it has the sting of truth, and it's actually working toward a goal that isn't LOL GIRAFFES SO RANDOM XD.


    Nice motto, by the way:
    His motto: 'I didn't choose the hug life... the hug life chose me!'

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  • AktillumAktillum PhilippinesMember Posts: 1,368 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited December 2012
    @Delphinus You sound like someone who's been around too much paperwork lately. Are you sure you're not a cabbage?

    There will be silly players. Let them be in the CiJ, so they don't have to be in your house.

    edit: giraffes.

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  • AktillumAktillum PhilippinesMember Posts: 1,368 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I just think whoever game up with Jesters in their original iteration was smoking way too much weed


    Aktillum said:
     the class was (literally) designed to pay tribute to Insane Clown Posse and most of the early guildhelp files were copied from the Principia, ad verbatim.

    clanhelp juggalos if you don't believe me.
    I don't understand the point you're driving, other than maybe some of the skills need to have their messages changed. The House has come an incredibly long way from its blatantly OOC inception, and it is pretty much the ideal that you are describing; a performance theatre House for Bards, Jesters and (for flimsy reasons) Serpents.

  • MoonfoxMoonfox Member Posts: 7 ✭✭ - Stalwart

    Delphinus said:
    @Moonfox: The problem is that none of it is entertaining; it's all camp and puns and crass sight gags. I appreciate the few jesters who do satire and do it right despite this, because they're playing the royal fool at his best. It's clever and biting and it has the sting of truth, and it's actually working toward a goal that isn't LOL GIRAFFES SO RANDOM XD.


    Nice motto, by the way:
    His motto: 'I didn't choose the hug life... the hug life chose me!'

    Delphy, do you say that monks should be changed because noob monks don't know how to properly be pious and noble and all inner-tranquility and stuff? What about Mhaldorians that don't fully understand the Truths? Or new priests that haven't figured out how to live within the Codex? 

    Just because people do something wrong doesn't mean that the people who do it right should have to pay for it. I'm as guilty as everyone else at times, pouncing around or babbling on and on about silly nonsense but it's all shades of grey, because there are times when I'm serious or even spouting some highbrow comedy. I think it should be noted that there is a time and a place for everything, and Jesters just think that the time and place are always right for comedy. 

    (Besides, the fact that we were inspired by the Principia has always amused me to no end)

    What I have noticed is that the House has been limited drastically since I left, and I am going to have to lay some blame there. We used to be able to recruit nearly everyone (except polar-aligned classes) and that gave us a much larger playerbase to work with, and we ended up with a much higher standard. There's plenty of designers, poets, playwrights and creative-types out there not allowed in the CIJ, so we have less awesome people to provide awesome leadership to the young'uns. Not trying to bash the current leadership, just my observation.

    I know this was originally about Jesters being bad and not our House being bad, but IMO the things go hand-in-hand.
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  • EphramEphram Member Posts: 122 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    The problem with pranks is that the intended audience seems to consist of like... the children in the goblin village. Young. Easily impressed. Slightly diabolical.

    It's hard to take it seriously playing an adult character, whereas the potential is there for the class to be greater.
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  • DelphinusDelphinus Member Posts: 896 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I'm taking @Blujixapug's gif literally. He's running back upstairs and leaping through the window, because once is just not enough.

    @Aktillum: Everyone has come a long way from their blatantly OOC inception. We're past the point of stating the obvious, thankfully, and have moved on to the meat and potatoes of what makes for an engaging narrative. This is why people are hating on the current forms of jesters, the CIJ, and the Pandora character.
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  • XithXith Member Posts: 2,602 @@ - Legendary Achaean

    Jesters are a medieval thing, just like knights bards and the rest of Achaea.

    I've heard plenty of "wah, wah, flavor text, wah" but Jester has a zesty flavor and laugh-in-your-face-ed-ness that keeps Achaea from being Greyfaced. The primary reason I never considered joining the CIJ is because they put rules on Jesters too, and those rules suppress all the grand utility of the class and the fun side.

    Yes there are limits, and even being foolish should be done with appropriate grace, but summary: I wouldn't change a damn thing about the roleplay side of jesters.

    I wouldn't be opposed to somehow having a subclass of dark jester with altered pranks flavor text so that Mhaldorians don't get upset tummies: black balloons, jerk-in-the-box, mhunskin peels, dragonflybombs, bitchpowder...

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  • XithXith Member Posts: 2,602 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Delphinus said:
    Re: Greyfaces, notice how You damned kids with your walkmans and your Donnie Osmond.

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  • AktillumAktillum PhilippinesMember Posts: 1,368 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited December 2012
    @Delphinus That's fair, but I think some of the things you're portraying as negative are the meat and potatoes that CiJ members love. I don't think the CiJ would appreciate if Quackers was suddenly replaced with Ruphio the Lion-Tamer. Jesters don't even use whips.

    Personally I feel like most of your concerns would be addressed by bringing Eris back.

    Edit: Lol @ Eris getting axed from the narrative, you know Oblivion is lifted from the Principia too.

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  • EldEld Member Posts: 3,946 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Aktillum said:
    @Delphinus That's fair, but I think some of the things you're portraying as negative are the meat and potatoes that CiJ members love. I don't think the CiJ would appreciate if Quackers was suddenly replaced with Ruphio the Lion-Tamer. Jesters don't even use whips.

    Personally I feel like most of your concerns would be addressed by bringing Eris back.

     Sounds more like they'd be exacerbated by bringing Eris back.
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  • MoonfoxMoonfox Member Posts: 7 ✭✭ - Stalwart
    Wheee bring Eris back!
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  • SohlSohl Member Posts: 569 @ - Epic Achaean
    Original Eris was a fantastic divine. There's a reason she got her own game. There are even parts of Erisian chaos which are neat and interesting. The vast majority of it, however, and especially what's been passed on through the generations of players since Eris left, is stupid. And not the "let's be fun and stick it to the greyfaces" stupid, but legit, "these people are idiots" kind of stupid. Same goes with the thematic flavour that jesters have. It's insipid.

    I've no problem with what some of the above players have said about playing a light-hearted character, trying to be achaea's humorous side and whatnot, but jester flavour is a really piss-poor way of having that. It's the reason why there are so few jesters. 

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  • SohlSohl Member Posts: 569 @ - Epic Achaean
    edited December 2012
    Aktillum said:
    Edit: Lol @ Eris getting axed from the narrative, you know Oblivion is lifted from the Principia too.

    I'd rather go more fully into Nihilist philosophy IC, but in summary: there was a certain subset of erisian teachings that was related to the idea of the end of the world, but it's not what we base our (read: Babel's order) philosophy off.
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  • AsmodronAsmodron Member Posts: 2,769 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    lol.

    no
  • NellaundraNellaundra Member Posts: 1,556 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited December 2012
    I worded that really poorly and I can't be arsed to word it correctly for maximum trolling.
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  • DelphinusDelphinus Member Posts: 896 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Babel's religion is 10% heat death, 20% Lovecraft, and 15% concentrated power of will. The Principia Discordia and Robert Anton Wilson really had nothing to do with it.
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  • SohlSohl Member Posts: 569 @ - Epic Achaean
    I like your post, but your math is a bit off.
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