Full Version: Best Bashing Class?
What is the best bashing class that doesn't need any credits?
In my opinion, the top three are monk (good offensively and defensively), shaman (great offensively), and serpent (good at getting around quickly). Shaman just needs curses up to swiftcurse really, since you can get runes from other people, but learning runelore up to runebinding or at least berkana will save a lot of effort. Monks can bash well enough with only tekura, but having kaido is nice too. Serpents only need subterfuge.
Now, I'm not sure whether you mean no credits at all, or no credits bought with real money. Transing even a single skill will require credits. It's not that hard to tri-trans as any class though, without spending any real money.
Now, I'm not sure whether you mean no credits at all, or no credits bought with real money. Transing even a single skill will require credits. It's not that hard to tri-trans as any class though, without spending any real money.
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It's not that hard to tri-trans as any class though, without spending any real money.
How?
And yes I meant with credits with real money.
You'll get 350 lessons and 100 bound credits from leveling to 70 (which doesn't take long at all). So you'll need about 485 more credits to tri-trans. If you get 30k gold a day, which doesn't take too much effort, it will take 80 days to get 485 credits, assuming 5k per credit. You could manage 485 credits in 30 days if you make about 81k gold a day, which is possible, but really time-consuming. A lot of houses/cities also have credit sales, which will save a lot of time/gold.
QUOTE (Sena @ Nov 2 2009, 02:23 AM) 
You'll get 350 lessons and 100 bound credits from leveling to 70 (which doesn't take long at all). So you'll need about 485 more credits to tri-trans. If you get 30k gold a day, which doesn't take too much effort, it will take 80 days to get 485 credits, assuming 5k per credit. You could manage 485 credits in 30 days if you make about 81k gold a day, which is possible, but really time-consuming. A lot of houses/cities also have credit sales, which will save a lot of time/gold.
30k gold? 81k gold?
I can't even manage to get 3k gold a week. Is it my class?
You should ask your house/city/friends about good ways to earn gold. There are lots of ways, and your class shouldn't matter too much for most of them.
QUOTE (Sena @ Nov 2 2009, 08:07 AM)
In my opinion, the top three are monk (good offensively and defensively), shaman (great offensively), and serpent (good at getting around quickly). Shaman just needs curses up to swiftcurse really, since you can get runes from other people, but learning runelore up to runebinding or at least berkana will save a lot of effort. Monks can bash well enough with only tekura, but having kaido is nice too. Serpents only need subterfuge.
Now, I'm not sure whether you mean no credits at all, or no credits bought with real money. Transing even a single skill will require credits. It's not that hard to tri-trans as any class though, without spending any real money.
Now, I'm not sure whether you mean no credits at all, or no credits bought with real money. Transing even a single skill will require credits. It's not that hard to tri-trans as any class though, without spending any real money.
Serpent is, hands down, one of the worst bashing classes.
This is coming from someone who bashed to dragon as it.
i would have said monk, knight, shaman and/or maybe druid or sentinel. Monk and a knight with axes (then rapiers when he starts to get a lot of crits) would be optimal since getting a good experience/time ratio at a high level would depend on the number of crits you are getting, and the more attacks you do, the more crits you get. I haven't really tried bard, but the only bards I know of that tried to bash to dragon, did get dragon (Griffel, Gorlasintan). This may be due more to autism than good hunting class. I would not know.
Monk is easily the best class to hunt with though.
Monk is easily the best class to hunt with though.
Monk? Really? I'm a level 52 Raja Monk and having a bit of a hard time bashing the hordes of goblins in Azdun... and they only give me 1%, I try going to Dun and kill orcs/ogres and I can't take 2 on at once without running... Which I dont mind, but it's a bit annoying when something that only gives 1% takes a bit of time to kill... Just doesn't seem right...
Rajamala's are horrible for bashing. Mhun is slightly better, one less strength but no sip penalty.
rajamala monks with trans kaido and trans tekura are great for bashing. I bashed to 80 on carmain in about a week from level 60 as raja monk. I did have a Stygian pendant though.
QUOTE (Mishgul @ Nov 2 2009, 02:46 PM)
rajamala monks with trans kaido and trans tekura are great for bashing. I bashed to 80 on carmain in about a week from level 60 as raja monk. I did have a Stygian pendant though.
This is false information.
QUOTE (Lindan @ Nov 2 2009, 06:57 AM)
What is the best bashing class that doesn't need any credits?
I prefer Troll-Monk, tanky as hell and good offensive. You can hunt an area about ten levels before any other class-race combination.
On Azuhi I've bought credits to trans my stuff because I lost my patience, however on my previous char I didn't buy any and I've been tri-trans about 3 times, had Survival Tattoos, Fitness transed and half way in some other skills. If I wouldn't have changed class five times, I could probably buy some arties too. I wasn't really hunting for Dragon, more for gold, shards and essence and I still got to level 92.
I'd say you should go Troll or Horkval Monk, get to a decent level quickly then start hardcore questing, until you are trans Tekura, then you can do it slowly too, enjoying your time in Achaea. Don't ask people about quests, believe me, the most fun I had in game was when I was learning my way in Achaea. Actually, I advice you to try to find out everything you want to know, by yourself, it's hard but rewarding and you'll also get respected by the ones around you.
To save gold, whenever you buy supplies, buy bulk and from the same people, preferably city or house mates, they'll make a huge discount.
Be respectful at all times, this way people will be more likely to help you and next time you won't have to come to the forums for a class change(not that it's a bad thing, however would be better for you if you could discuss this ig).
Best no credit bashing race-class combination has to be horkval monk still.
QUOTE (Darroth @ Nov 2 2009, 03:07 PM)
Best no credit bashing race-class combination has to be horkval monk still.
This is debatably useful and correct information.
Not really debatable. I forgot the people's name but there's been more than one horkval monk that bashed obscenely high at only age lvl18-21. I don't really see any other class coming close.
And if our goal is to make money from bashing, let's not forget that horkval monk has a VERY low upkeep kost. I'm not sure horkval beats troll with a decent armour though.
A dwarf/grook magi should still be ranked pretty high. Grook assuming that they know what they are doing.
QUOTE (Santar @ Nov 2 2009, 02:40 PM)
QUOTE (Mishgul @ Nov 2 2009, 02:46 PM)
rajamala monks with trans kaido and trans tekura are great for bashing. I bashed to 80 on carmain in about a week from level 60 as raja monk. I did have a Stygian pendant though.
This is false information.
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Transmute + sipping mana with split mind with lots of friends who are druids for grove rains = quick bashing. I never got around to transcending philosophy.
I loved Grook Magi bashing.. Adduction/flood/harmony
hated combat, though.
hated combat, though.
QUOTE (Mishgul @ Nov 2 2009, 05:52 PM)
QUOTE (Santar @ Nov 2 2009, 02:40 PM)
QUOTE (Mishgul @ Nov 2 2009, 02:46 PM)
rajamala monks with trans kaido and trans tekura are great for bashing. I bashed to 80 on carmain in about a week from level 60 as raja monk. I did have a Stygian pendant though.
This is false information.
your face is false information.
Transmute + sipping mana with split mind with lots of friends who are druids for grove rains = quick bashing. I never got around to transcending philosophy.
Bashing isn't about being able to bash in bursts; it's about long term consistency.
A Horkval Monk doesn't have to do anything. They go into a room and hit things until they are dead. They do not have to transmute, they do not have to worry about sipping mana with split mind, they do not have to worry about willpower. They also bash almost as quickly due to having higher strength.
If you want to get to Dragon, you need to get out of the mindset of bashing quickly, and get into the mindset of, "I'm going to set myself up to bash for the next 18 hours for a month". You don't need to think. You need to press a key.
As Rajamalan monk you will have to hit and run. You will not be able to tank everything that a Horkval monk can. This will be counterproductive.
QUOTE (Santar @ Nov 2 2009, 09:57 AM)
Bashing isn't about being able to bash in bursts; it's about long term consistency.
As Rajamalan monk you will have to hit and run. You will not be able to tank everything that a Horkval monk can. This will be counterproductive.
As Rajamalan monk you will have to hit and run. You will not be able to tank everything that a Horkval monk can. This will be counterproductive.
Part of why Runewardens come to mind as a good basher.
Besides the Hit and Run, as a Rajamalan/Grook monk using Transmute, you'll find that your Willpower will run out quite quickly.
Grook magi is reliable, but probably relatively slow. Anyone ever try bashing as a horkval magi? Would probably take ages to kill anything, but you'd tank like nobody's business.
QUOTE (Rynn @ Nov 2 2009, 07:30 PM)
Grook magi is reliable, but probably relatively slow. Anyone ever try bashing as a horkval magi? Would probably take ages to kill anything, but you'd tank like nobody's business.
Better off as Tsol'aa, Dwarf, or Siren.
You only need to tank so much to be a good basher.
QUOTE (Rynn @ Nov 2 2009, 12:30 PM)
Grook magi is reliable, but probably relatively slow. Anyone ever try bashing as a horkval magi? Would probably take ages to kill anything, but you'd tank like nobody's business.
I used to do this in mog, but then again, my 8 int turned into 12 because of arties and icon. Plus I had a collar, girdle, sip ring, and bracelets all level 3. Basically, I was artied. I never died, but then again, it took way to long to kill anything.
I also herd Carmell did this pre-defense stacking nerf and was almost impossible to damage at all.
Dwarf Sylvan or Dwarf Shaman. The former requires some assitance in the form of Grove Rains (or anything that replenishes your WP), with that said this is only true until you Trans Philosophy.
1. Horkval Monk
2. Dwarf Magi
3. Horkval Bard/Sylvan
Once your critical hits become more frequent, Monk will outpace the rest.
Dwarf Magi will be tankiest for cheapest. All you need is Stoneskin/Diamondskin and Staffcast. Some low level vibes help.
Bard is decent with Swashbuckling, and a few lessons for Tune and later Aria, then fantastic with Harmonics.
Sylvan is decent with Barkskin/Viridian, better with Quarterstaves in Groves, phenomenal with Trans Concoctions. Does not fit your budget.
Shaman is the fastest killer, but it takes too much attention to keep up Swiftcurse. You'll get sick of it very quickly. It's just impractical.
Serpent is too slow to hit/run, less tanky than most, Garrote is mediocre.
Sentinel/Druid is rendered obsolete by Sylvan.
Runewarden is rendered obsolete by the fact that anyone can have runes (don't bother arguing this one).
Infernal is fantastic bashing with Chivalry (Weathering, Resistance, no upkeep/rest time) and Putrefaction in Necromancy.
All unmentioned are not worth mentioning.
2. Dwarf Magi
3. Horkval Bard/Sylvan
Once your critical hits become more frequent, Monk will outpace the rest.
Dwarf Magi will be tankiest for cheapest. All you need is Stoneskin/Diamondskin and Staffcast. Some low level vibes help.
Bard is decent with Swashbuckling, and a few lessons for Tune and later Aria, then fantastic with Harmonics.
Sylvan is decent with Barkskin/Viridian, better with Quarterstaves in Groves, phenomenal with Trans Concoctions. Does not fit your budget.
Shaman is the fastest killer, but it takes too much attention to keep up Swiftcurse. You'll get sick of it very quickly. It's just impractical.
Serpent is too slow to hit/run, less tanky than most, Garrote is mediocre.
Sentinel/Druid is rendered obsolete by Sylvan.
Runewarden is rendered obsolete by the fact that anyone can have runes (don't bother arguing this one).
Infernal is fantastic bashing with Chivalry (Weathering, Resistance, no upkeep/rest time) and Putrefaction in Necromancy.
All unmentioned are not worth mentioning.
I always forget other classes run out of willpower/endurance. How droll.
Infernal bashing ftw here. Also, what Spire said.
Infernal bashing ftw here. Also, what Spire said.
QUOTE (Spire @ Nov 2 2009, 03:36 PM)
1. Horkval Monk
2. Dwarf Magi
3. Horkval Bard/Sylvan
Once your critical hits become more frequent, Monk will outpace the rest.
Agreed. What about Troll though?
Dwarf Magi will be tankiest for cheapest. All you need is Stoneskin/Diamondskin and Staffcast. Some low level vibes help.
Agreed.
Bard is decent with Swashbuckling, and a few lessons for Tune and later Aria, then fantastic with Harmonics.
Mmmmmm No.
Sylvan is decent with Barkskin/Viridian, better with Quarterstaves in Groves, phenomenal with Trans Concoctions. Does not fit your budget.
Dunno...
Shaman is the fastest killer, but it takes too much attention to keep up Swiftcurse. You'll get sick of it very quickly. It's just impractical.
Agreed, no idea how Swiftcurse works though...
Serpent is too slow to hit/run, less tanky than most, Garrote is mediocre.
Agreed.
Sentinel/Druid is rendered obsolete by Sylvan.
Agreed.
Runewarden is rendered obsolete by the fact that anyone can have runes (don't bother arguing this one).
I'm not arguing, I just don't get what you mean. I figured Runies could do the most damage with Runeblades...
Infernal is fantastic bashing with Chivalry (Weathering, Resistance, no upkeep/rest time) and Putrefaction in Necromancy.
Agreed.
All unmentioned are not worth mentioning.
2. Dwarf Magi
3. Horkval Bard/Sylvan
Once your critical hits become more frequent, Monk will outpace the rest.
Agreed. What about Troll though?
Dwarf Magi will be tankiest for cheapest. All you need is Stoneskin/Diamondskin and Staffcast. Some low level vibes help.
Agreed.
Bard is decent with Swashbuckling, and a few lessons for Tune and later Aria, then fantastic with Harmonics.
Mmmmmm No.
Sylvan is decent with Barkskin/Viridian, better with Quarterstaves in Groves, phenomenal with Trans Concoctions. Does not fit your budget.
Dunno...
Shaman is the fastest killer, but it takes too much attention to keep up Swiftcurse. You'll get sick of it very quickly. It's just impractical.
Agreed, no idea how Swiftcurse works though...
Serpent is too slow to hit/run, less tanky than most, Garrote is mediocre.
Agreed.
Sentinel/Druid is rendered obsolete by Sylvan.
Agreed.
Runewarden is rendered obsolete by the fact that anyone can have runes (don't bother arguing this one).
I'm not arguing, I just don't get what you mean. I figured Runies could do the most damage with Runeblades...
Infernal is fantastic bashing with Chivalry (Weathering, Resistance, no upkeep/rest time) and Putrefaction in Necromancy.
Agreed.
All unmentioned are not worth mentioning.
Just curious...
QUOTE (Rynn @ Nov 2 2009, 10:30 AM)
Grook magi is reliable, but probably relatively slow. Anyone ever try bashing as a horkval magi? Would probably take ages to kill anything, but you'd tank like nobody's business.
Aerith and Carmell bashed quite a bit as Horkvali Magi. Both of them used a bastard sword so that they didn't have to worry about the willpower costs.
Dwarf priest with hands for healing and angel abilities does really well with bashing also.
QUOTE (Spire @ Nov 3 2009, 05:36 AM)
1. Horkval Monk
2. Dwarf Magi
3. Horkval Bard/Sylvan
Once your critical hits become more frequent, Monk will outpace the rest.
Dwarf Magi will be tankiest for cheapest. All you need is Stoneskin/Diamondskin and Staffcast. Some low level vibes help.
Bard is decent with Swashbuckling, and a few lessons for Tune and later Aria, then fantastic with Harmonics.
Sylvan is decent with Barkskin/Viridian, better with Quarterstaves in Groves, phenomenal with Trans Concoctions. Does not fit your budget.
Shaman is the fastest killer, but it takes too much attention to keep up Swiftcurse. You'll get sick of it very quickly. It's just impractical.
Serpent is too slow to hit/run, less tanky than most, Garrote is mediocre.
Sentinel/Druid is rendered obsolete by Sylvan.
Runewarden is rendered obsolete by the fact that anyone can have runes (don't bother arguing this one).
Infernal is fantastic bashing with Chivalry (Weathering, Resistance, no upkeep/rest time) and Putrefaction in Necromancy.
All unmentioned are not worth mentioning.
2. Dwarf Magi
3. Horkval Bard/Sylvan
Once your critical hits become more frequent, Monk will outpace the rest.
Dwarf Magi will be tankiest for cheapest. All you need is Stoneskin/Diamondskin and Staffcast. Some low level vibes help.
Bard is decent with Swashbuckling, and a few lessons for Tune and later Aria, then fantastic with Harmonics.
Sylvan is decent with Barkskin/Viridian, better with Quarterstaves in Groves, phenomenal with Trans Concoctions. Does not fit your budget.
Shaman is the fastest killer, but it takes too much attention to keep up Swiftcurse. You'll get sick of it very quickly. It's just impractical.
Serpent is too slow to hit/run, less tanky than most, Garrote is mediocre.
Sentinel/Druid is rendered obsolete by Sylvan.
Runewarden is rendered obsolete by the fact that anyone can have runes (don't bother arguing this one).
Infernal is fantastic bashing with Chivalry (Weathering, Resistance, no upkeep/rest time) and Putrefaction in Necromancy.
All unmentioned are not worth mentioning.
-sadface-
QUOTE (Spire @ Nov 2 2009, 01:36 PM)
1. Horkval Monk
Yes
2. Dwarf Magi
Maybe
3. Horkval Bard/Sylvan
I'd go with dwarf personally.
Once your critical hits become more frequent, Monk will outpace the rest.
Very true.
Dwarf Magi will be tankiest for cheapest. All you need is Stoneskin/Diamondskin and Staffcast. Some low level vibes help.
Agreed.
Bard is decent with Swashbuckling, and a few lessons for Tune and later Aria, then fantastic with Harmonics.
Marginally agreed.
Sylvan is decent with Barkskin/Viridian, better with Quarterstaves in Groves, phenomenal with Trans Concoctions. Does not fit your budget.
Very, very true. I don't necessarily agree with the budget bit though. Sylvan is a wonderful bashing class, but, as mentioned, tri-transing is very possible with IG credits only.
Shaman is the fastest killer, but it takes too much attention to keep up Swiftcurse. You'll get sick of it very quickly. It's just impractical.
Make a system to keep it up, it's not even remotely difficult or impractical. Also, remember that swiftcurse makes swiftcursing faster so you'll probably want a system to keep it up anyway (so you don't accidentally let your swiftcurse go down before you swiftcurse again).
Serpent is too slow to hit/run, less tanky than most, Garrote is mediocre.
Serpent is pretty awful bashing.
Sentinel/Druid is rendered obsolete by Sylvan.
Agreed.
Runewarden is rendered obsolete by the fact that anyone can have runes (don't bother arguing this one).
Agreed for the most part, though you'll more consistently have runes if you can sketch them yourself. Like Santar said, when you're really bashing, it's about consistency. Having to leave for runes and depend on other people to sketch them certainly slows you down.
Infernal is fantastic bashing with Chivalry (Weathering, Resistance, no upkeep/rest time) and Putrefaction in Necromancy.
This also.
All unmentioned are not worth mentioning.
Yes
2. Dwarf Magi
Maybe
3. Horkval Bard/Sylvan
I'd go with dwarf personally.
Once your critical hits become more frequent, Monk will outpace the rest.
Very true.
Dwarf Magi will be tankiest for cheapest. All you need is Stoneskin/Diamondskin and Staffcast. Some low level vibes help.
Agreed.
Bard is decent with Swashbuckling, and a few lessons for Tune and later Aria, then fantastic with Harmonics.
Marginally agreed.
Sylvan is decent with Barkskin/Viridian, better with Quarterstaves in Groves, phenomenal with Trans Concoctions. Does not fit your budget.
Very, very true. I don't necessarily agree with the budget bit though. Sylvan is a wonderful bashing class, but, as mentioned, tri-transing is very possible with IG credits only.
Shaman is the fastest killer, but it takes too much attention to keep up Swiftcurse. You'll get sick of it very quickly. It's just impractical.
Make a system to keep it up, it's not even remotely difficult or impractical. Also, remember that swiftcurse makes swiftcursing faster so you'll probably want a system to keep it up anyway (so you don't accidentally let your swiftcurse go down before you swiftcurse again).
Serpent is too slow to hit/run, less tanky than most, Garrote is mediocre.
Serpent is pretty awful bashing.
Sentinel/Druid is rendered obsolete by Sylvan.
Agreed.
Runewarden is rendered obsolete by the fact that anyone can have runes (don't bother arguing this one).
Agreed for the most part, though you'll more consistently have runes if you can sketch them yourself. Like Santar said, when you're really bashing, it's about consistency. Having to leave for runes and depend on other people to sketch them certainly slows you down.
Infernal is fantastic bashing with Chivalry (Weathering, Resistance, no upkeep/rest time) and Putrefaction in Necromancy.
This also.
All unmentioned are not worth mentioning.
Serpent's not that bad at bashing, especially if you get an SoA with runes/blessings. You can maneuver around sapience faster than most people and accumulate good xp.
QUOTE (Darroth @ Nov 3 2009, 09:46 AM)
Serpent's not that bad at bashing, especially if you get an SoA with runes/blessings. You can maneuver around sapience faster than most people and accumulate good xp.
It's not the WORST class, but it's fairly bad. Having played horkval monk, dwarf sylvan, rajamala serpent, horkval priest, tsol'aa Runewarden, tsol'aa serpent, tsol'aa jester, and horkval bard, I would say that aside from jester, serpent was probably the worst, closely followed by bard (though this was back when bards were REALLY terrible for bashing with doublejab and all that nonsense). Horkval monk and dwarf sylvan were by far the best. That's probably skewed by the fact that I had no idea what I was doing in terms of race/class combinations early on, but I really don't think that the ability to get around quickly helps that much for bashing, how long does it honestly take to walk to pretty much anywhere in Achaea if you know the way?
Rajamala is a distinct disadvantage to bashing. Also, if you become knowledgable of warps. You can develop a good route from place to place and off plane areas are instant.
QUOTE (Darroth @ Nov 3 2009, 09:59 PM)
Rajamala is a distinct disadvantage to bashing. Also, if you become knowledgable of warps. You can develop a good route from place to place and off plane areas are instant.
This. Even as runewarden, Jera, Berkana, and Uruz don't deal with the fact I'm sipping 475 on average at level 77. Unless you're getting the concotions bonus or can lay on hands or something to that effect, raja's pretty badly gimped.
Just saw Santar's post, would like to know his reason for serpent being one of the worst.
QUOTE (Darroth @ Nov 3 2009, 09:16 PM)
Just saw Santar's post, would like to know his reason for serpent being one of the worst.
-Low tanking ability. This means you have to spend more time running away or healing. Can't kill as high of level targets.
-Low damage bashing attack. Takes longer to kill things.
-Bashing attack can be dodged. Can't hunt deathknights.
-Very slow bashing attack. Makes it more likely that you will die if you make a mistake due to not being able to run away.
-No utility or supply skills to help with bashing. No runes, concoctions, any type of passive curing, or etc.
Serpent is bottom tier bashing. Obviously it's not impossible to bash as a Serpent, but it's among the worst of all classes. It's debatable on whether Occultist is worse than Serpent. Occultists have less gross tanking ability, and require karma upkeep for some of their bashing skills. However, their bashing speed is much quicker due to warp being very powerful, and can be amended with artifacts such as collar, intelligence artifacts, and diadem. Also, there is the issue of transmogrification possibly giving a +cutting armour or +constitution trait.
There are others with similar damage output as Serpent has, but they have other advantages(such as tanking ability).
Serpent is bottom two bashers in the game, undebatably.
I found Bard bashing to be great, but then again all I have to compare it to is Jester and Priest.
QUOTE (Santar @ Nov 4 2009, 07:44 PM)
QUOTE (Darroth @ Nov 3 2009, 09:16 PM)
Just saw Santar's post, would like to know his reason for serpent being one of the worst.
-Low tanking ability. This means you have to spend more time running away or healing. Can't kill as high of level targets.
-Low damage bashing attack. Takes longer to kill things.
-Bashing attack can be dodged. Can't hunt deathknights.
-Very slow bashing attack. Makes it more likely that you will die if you make a mistake due to not being able to run away.
-No utility or supply skills to help with bashing. No runes, concoctions, any type of passive curing, or etc.
Serpent is bottom tier bashing. Obviously it's not impossible to bash as a Serpent, but it's among the worst of all classes. It's debatable on whether Occultist is worse than Serpent. Occultists have less gross tanking ability, and require karma upkeep for some of their bashing skills. However, their bashing speed is much quicker due to warp being very powerful, and can be amended with artifacts such as collar, intelligence artifacts, and diadem. Also, there is the issue of transmogrification possibly giving a +cutting armour or +constitution trait.
There are others with similar damage output as Serpent has, but they have other advantages(such as tanking ability).
Serpent is bottom two bashers in the game, undebatably.
Is bashing with camus even possible? A lot faster, more chance for crits. Only downside I see if it's weak against higher lvls and it also drains endurance. Pretty sure I remember you boasting about how good serpent was at bashing on your way to dragon.
QUOTE (Darroth @ Nov 4 2009, 07:49 PM)
QUOTE (Santar @ Nov 4 2009, 07:44 PM)
QUOTE (Darroth @ Nov 3 2009, 09:16 PM)
Just saw Santar's post, would like to know his reason for serpent being one of the worst.
-Low tanking ability. This means you have to spend more time running away or healing. Can't kill as high of level targets.
-Low damage bashing attack. Takes longer to kill things.
-Bashing attack can be dodged. Can't hunt deathknights.
-Very slow bashing attack. Makes it more likely that you will die if you make a mistake due to not being able to run away.
-No utility or supply skills to help with bashing. No runes, concoctions, any type of passive curing, or etc.
Serpent is bottom tier bashing. Obviously it's not impossible to bash as a Serpent, but it's among the worst of all classes. It's debatable on whether Occultist is worse than Serpent. Occultists have less gross tanking ability, and require karma upkeep for some of their bashing skills. However, their bashing speed is much quicker due to warp being very powerful, and can be amended with artifacts such as collar, intelligence artifacts, and diadem. Also, there is the issue of transmogrification possibly giving a +cutting armour or +constitution trait.
There are others with similar damage output as Serpent has, but they have other advantages(such as tanking ability).
Serpent is bottom two bashers in the game, undebatably.
Is bashing with camus even possible? A lot faster, more chance for crits. Only downside I see if it's weak against higher lvls and it also drains endurance. Pretty sure I remember you boasting about how good serpent was at bashing on your way to dragon.
Camus is slightly faster, but way weaker.
It's not worth it, at all.
It will take you at least 35-50% longer on average to kill something with camus versus garrote.
QUOTE (carmell @ Nov 3 2009, 02:30 AM)
QUOTE (Rynn @ Nov 2 2009, 10:30 AM)
Grook magi is reliable, but probably relatively slow. Anyone ever try bashing as a horkval magi? Would probably take ages to kill anything, but you'd tank like nobody's business.
Aerith and Carmell bashed quite a bit as Horkvali Magi. Both of them used a bastard sword so that they didn't have to worry about the willpower costs.
Dwarf priest with hands for healing and angel abilities does really well with bashing also.
Dwarf priest can tank, but you will have to stay in certain areas because things like DKs will never die to you.
Serpent is great for bashing up to 80, but after that its pretty crap.
Most of the talk about Serpents being great bashers came either when Camus still did 15% denizen health, or before Whips of Taming were changed so you couldn't bash with them.
QUOTE (sryn @ Nov 4 2009, 08:51 PM)
QUOTE (carmell @ Nov 3 2009, 02:30 AM)
QUOTE (Rynn @ Nov 2 2009, 10:30 AM)
Grook magi is reliable, but probably relatively slow. Anyone ever try bashing as a horkval magi? Would probably take ages to kill anything, but you'd tank like nobody's business.
Aerith and Carmell bashed quite a bit as Horkvali Magi. Both of them used a bastard sword so that they didn't have to worry about the willpower costs.
Dwarf priest with hands for healing and angel abilities does really well with bashing also.
Dwarf priest can tank, but you will have to stay in certain areas because things like DKs will never die to you.
Serpent is great for bashing up to 80, but after that its pretty crap.
Serpent is bad at bashing to 80. Serpent is bad at bashing after 80.
Serpent is bad at bashing.
If I may assist you in properly wording what you truly meant, it would be, "It is easy to bash to level 80(as every class)."
Its easy because way too many people are grinding at under 80, so the bashing grounds are completely wiped out on main plane. Serpent has a hard time tanking, but it has a much easier time moving around, and has access to the northern areas, etc etc. Serpent can also move across the map easily. So yes, serpent is bad for the process of bashing, but its good for getting to 80. At around 80, the outer regions won't be worth much xp and you will want to hit Moghedu, UW, Annwyn, etc, and serpent just isn't good enough at that point.
But yes, if you had a great way to travel that doesn't require someone else to be your portal/track target, then every class has an easy time getting to 80.
But yes, if you had a great way to travel that doesn't require someone else to be your portal/track target, then every class has an easy time getting to 80.
Sylvan is a class that's really within anyone's budget. It's just that it takes more time for sure. Considering that you no longer need to rely on other forestals for refills and herbs or rezzes. Really, being a Sylvan (or any other forestal class) without buying ooc creds is a long term time investment.
Infernal
QUOTE (TethrynValis @ Nov 2 2009, 08:14 AM)
Monk? Really? I'm a level 52 Raja Monk and having a bit of a hard time bashing the hordes of goblins in Azdun... and they only give me 1%, I try going to Dun and kill orcs/ogres and I can't take 2 on at once without running... Which I dont mind, but it's a bit annoying when something that only gives 1% takes a bit of time to kill... Just doesn't seem right...
I saw that and died laughing.
I'm a typing corpse now.
Personally, I enjoy bashing as a Paladin. Rites and buffs make hunting a bit easier.
Infernal is the easiest class to bash with for me, and the most fun, especially with a hearty race. I can tank anything.
And yeah, Santar is correct. Serpents are the worst class to bash with. Especially for the younger ones.
And yeah, Santar is correct. Serpents are the worst class to bash with. Especially for the younger ones.
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