Ok so I know this is going to get attacked like an overcaffeinated spider monkey but just hear me out a second.

Bards have many wonderful and fantastic skills but absolutely nothing in the ranged abilities bucket, I am not asking for a look into Darkbows for meteor capability because we dont need that, but in the true spirit of Swashbuckling I think this is a great idea and I am completely going to be honest I wasnt the one to come up with this whole idea however that being said I also fully support it.

Muzzle loaded pistols..
Ammunition - Lead forged bullet

Swashbuckling skill -

Aiming
Firearms - Ability to wield a Muzzle loaded pistol
Concussive shot - Fire a lead forged bullet from your Muzzle loaded pistol causing damage and temporarily stunning an enemy.
Sharpshooter - A carefully aimed shot causing moderate damage to your enemy

Im not saying it would do heavy damage but it would be similar setup as snipe, do a small amount of damage and really just be for hinderance. and small ranged defense...not envenomed bullets or a bazooka or anything.

And I mean we have firecrackers which likely use gunpowder right...

So if it is a Muzzle loaded weapon...it could clearly take a couple seconds of balance to load and ammo could be kept in a small ammunition pouch which could easily be forged making profit for forgers...

I dunno I thought it was an awesome idea.

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Get rid of Divertimento and Reel and we have a deal. Also, this is very ACC. Also, bards are OP. Also, I support Achaea -slightly- advancing in technology.

I'm almost certain a musket isn't a type of ammunition. Also, not every class needs a ranged attack. Also, every class can buy an artie bow and shoot meteors. Also, you didn't give any reason that bards need a ranged ability, other than the fact that they don't have one.

because guns are sexy....

Need I a better reason?

and yes I edited the above because Musket is the type of weapon the lead bullet thing was shot out of.

Failhistoricalweapons on my part..

However that being said, I just thought it would be neat to have them as the firearms kind of go with the swashbuckling theme.

That's not a reason for bards to get them.

I wouldn't mind guns in Achaea, though. Even without magic, at least some people in Achaea seem like they should be capable of making a basic gun.

Talk to Entaro.
I'm voting no, one this one, because Bards have enough offensive utility, that I don't see how additional ranged attacks are needed (excepting artie bow and the harmonic moving... harmonic).

im not saying big bada boom, im just saying something traveling harmonics doesnt do much when you have 10 raiders grouped up.

There you go.

no

I vote to reduce the prevalence and necessity of ranged combat, not increase it. And Bards are already a surprisingly well-fleshed-out class as it is. No.

That said, Achaea should advance a bit. Once the Church has renovated that chapel, we can hire someone to paint pretty pictures all over it.

Yes please. I very much support this idea.

Also, please do not forget to include the previously suggested travel/escape skill. Bards are severely underpowered and are in dire need of an upgrade.

Edit: Sleepy.

I agree, bards seriously need some improvement. They hardly have any impact in fighting at all.

... What?

Just... no?

delete ranged abilities (and bards), don't make more

No thank you. Doesn't really fit wit the class, and I'm not really fond of ranfed attacks.

Give serpents guns. We'll be the Mafia of Achaea.

The Nerai are the Mafia of Achaea. Sorry.

No

I'd have thought the Naga or Shadowsnakes were the mafia of Achaea.

I agree. Delete 99% of ranged combat.

Also.

News to me.

Ranged combat should be line of sight only, in my opinion. At least that way, you would have to get your force into position to pull it off.

And in response to the OP, please no. Bards are fine as they are now.

Only being able to fire in your line-of-sight is rather dull and unrealistic. Meteors are stupid, IMO, but only because of the concept. I think they should be pitch-covered arrows that you light on fire as you shoot, or even just arrows fired in an arc that gain enough speed in their descent to shatter/penetrate shields. No offense to whomever thought up meteors, but they're a little bit more than a stretch, even in a fantasy world. I like that Tarot users have the Stars, but I think archery should be a little more realistic, as it draws on skill, not *<<MAGIC!>>*.

Meteor arrows are explicitly magic, requiring a magical ritual to enchant them.

maybe the attack should be worldwide when theyre standing at a waystation

I've just never enjoyed the extravagance. As a serpent, I don't see firing flaming balls of rock through the night sky as befitting a silent assassin.

Meteors aren't even scary at all. Arrows pelting down around you, however, is scary sh-.

I could do with simple enchanted arrows that fire the same as meteors, but without all the flaming, firey mumbo-jumbo.



Yes.

Arrows that no one else sees except the person hit by them, maybe? Or they have the charge time like a meteor, but no warning until they hit?

"A quiet hissing is heard only an instant before a black arrow from the sky strikes you in the chest, plunging deep into your body." being the only message, but the shooter has to fire and watch it fall, and hear a quiet "thunk" as it hits?

Change meteors to broad-headed arrows that are LoS, but still function like meteors. I 'unno. I like the change to LoS idea. Pure ranged raids are boring as hell. LoS is at least a little less boring.

Leave all ranged attacks the way they are.

vs.

You proved his point, actually. I am indeed more scared of the first image.

Did Daes give you permission to post a picture of him preparing to raid Eleusis?

Well, from an RP perspective, we're already acknowledged that both clockwork and explosives exist. I suppose primitive firearms was just the next thing coming? In any case, I could see it happening if you wanted to be like...



But combat wise other people might say different. You probably won't get it without heavy penalties to your existing skills or having stuff removed. I don't really like ranged combat. Line of sight is still manageable but none line of sight, ranged attacks like thurisaz, meteors, and pretty much almost anything monks do for ranged is what's frustrating.

My favorite game, hands down.

Mmmm FFT.

Not every class needs to be a full package. We already have Monks, and there's enough bitching about them.

Yeah I'm pretty happy with the shape bards are in. Not to say that there aren't things I could improve on given a monopoly on Tecton's time, but this is certainly not necessary (or even desirable).

This.

Wholeheartedly agree. 100%, Bards need all the buffs they can get

Changes to meteors: Perhaps.

Bard ranged ability: HELMET OF THOUGHTS

Fixed

No. This idea is seriously Helmet of Thoughts bad, not "no thanks" bad. The suggestion is to give a very contentious class (bard) a very powerful ability (ranged attack) of the sort that many people wish did not exist at all (ranged). Then to make it a little bit worse, it puts guns into a fantasy game and requires an increase in the level of technology for the entire world that is mysteriously restricted to a single class. Why wouldn't EVERYONE be using guns if they were available, typically guns are easier to use than bows if less effective and they really do a number on plate armour.

In short: Keep your damn guns out of my fantasy game.

(Also, to whoever mentioned that we already have firecrackers and such, firecrackers do not use gunpowder.)

There are already things in the game that are far more technologically advanced than guns. Also, I'm pretty sure cannons already exist in Achaea, so the basic mechanics would obviously already be known, the only difficulty would be making it small enough to be held easily.

You know they don't have to be guns that completely replicate IRL ones. We -do- have magic, enchantment, et cetera.

I still love you Rynn...

I have fallen in love with the arts of DEATHFROMABOVE!, however we will play again later...maybe when I have ranged skills. <3

Im going to suck it up and buy a damned bow. Im bitter about it...but I dont see myself getting bang bang skills anytime soon.

I noticed, and am very glad I invested in a tentacle tattoo.

damn annoying tentacle!