Full Version: Just Need Some Quick Advice On Arties
I am a runewarden with trans skills but forging. I have 2000 credits and I was thinking lvl 1 girdle 500c, lvl 2 sip ring 1000c, and lvl 1 bracelet 350c. Then trans avoidance. Any suggestions?
Trans forging for fullplate? o_O
Don't bother with a girdle of any level until you have a level 3 bracelet. The bracelet is better in almost every situation, and it's also much cheaper.
Trans avoidance is godly.
There is no reason not to trans avoidance.
There is no reason not to trans avoidance.
So lvl 3 bracelet 1400c, and lvl 1 sip ring 500c? Then just work on avoidance as I can?
Edit: or lvl 2 ring and bracelet for 1700 and trans avoidance?
Edit: or lvl 2 ring and bracelet for 1700 and trans avoidance?
Have you trans'ed riding yet?
I'd go for trans avoidance before level 3 arties. Avoidance will help a lot with both combat and bashing.
Trans weaponry and survival are important too, if you don't have them already. Riding as well, to a lesser extent, but I would get avoidance before riding.
Trans weaponry and survival are important too, if you don't have them already. Riding as well, to a lesser extent, but I would get avoidance before riding.
Riding up to Gallop
Since you can upgrade Artifacts without penalty now, you don't have to commit to level 2 or level 3 right away. You can buy level 1 and try it out, then decide if you think it's worth it to go up a level. I'd recommend the Sip Ring though. But keep in mind sipping has a large random factor so try it out by using it for a while then taking it off, rather than just sipping once or twice and comparing.
QUOTE (Sena @ Oct 29 2009, 07:26 PM) 
Don't bother with a girdle of any level until you have a level 3 bracelet. The bracelet is better in almost every situation, and it's also much cheaper.
This is false information.
PS, just paste your AB, your STAT, your SCORE, and your INV here, and I will tell you what artifact(s) and skill(s) to get.
Ughh Santar...You still play?
QUOTE (Andregor @ Oct 29 2009, 03:56 PM)
Ughh Santar...You still play?
He's more like that creepy neighbour who always glares at you through the blinds, but never comes out to the barbecues.
I'd trans out survival, avoidance, and possibly riding before arties.
You need to trans avoidance and survival before even thinking about getting an artefact.
I love my sip ring, but I recommend transing all skills first. There are a lot of very useful abilities in most skills, and the defenses you get from miniskills (damage/skill-type resistances) are generally not available in artefact form, with the exception, perhaps, of the ring of the magus. Work on skills, then get artefacts to augment, don't use artefacts as the first step. Skills are not replaceable.
the only artefact to even consider for purchase before you transcend skills like avoidance, and survival is a shield of absorption. since you're a knight, you can't even use SoA while you DSL. therefore, get your learnings on. (level 1 critical hit pendant is a great bargain buy at 200 credits but useless for combat)
Santar: I understand why a sip ring or a regen ring is better than a girdle or bracelet, but why is a bracelet better than a girdle?
Santar: I understand why a sip ring or a regen ring is better than a girdle or bracelet, but why is a bracelet better than a girdle?
Trans Avoidance, Survival, Forging and Riding in that order. Get a collar, forge a decent fullplate. With remaining credits get a level 1 sip ring.
QUOTE (Hassan @ Nov 8 2009, 01:32 PM)
but why is a bracelet better than a girdle?
A bracelet is cheaper, gives +health and +mana, and is moderately more effective.
QUOTE (Hassan @ Nov 8 2009, 02:32 PM)
I understand why a sip ring or a regen ring is better than a girdle or bracelet, but why is a bracelet better than a girdle?
QUOTE (Sena @ Oct 13 2009, 09:45 PM)
If you have 18+ con, bracelets are better in every way than girdles. They're much cheaper, give more health than girdles of the same level, and give extra mana as well. At 16+ con, the health is pretty close, and they're still much cheaper and give mana.
The only time you should ever get a girdle before a bracelet is if you're a high level (85+ for level 3, 90+ for 1 or 2) with low con (under 13), and you don't need more mana. And you can afford the extra cost.
The only time you should ever get a girdle before a bracelet is if you're a high level (85+ for level 3, 90+ for 1 or 2) with low con (under 13), and you don't need more mana. And you can afford the extra cost.
I imagine bracelets are especially useful for monks due to splitmind.
QUOTE (Aliath @ Nov 11 2009, 02:27 PM)
I imagine bracelets are especially useful for monks due to splitmind.
I hope you mean..."transmute".
I think he means splitmind because of the extra mana so half of a higher number is better than half of a lower number is my guess.
QUOTE (Eshmaki @ Nov 8 2009, 07:48 PM)
Trans Avoidance, Survival, Forging and Riding in that order. Get a collar, forge a decent fullplate. With remaining credits get a level 1 sip ring.
I disagree with this statement. Survival, Avoidance, Forging. Riding is useless unless you get a collared mount, and even then it's just going to die whenever you fight anyone that actually cares. Invincible mounts are great, but also exceedingly expensive. I would suggest transcending Survival, Avoidance, and forging, then buying a sip ring, a regen ring, and a bracelet, in that order.
QUOTE (Arelas @ Nov 12 2009, 03:31 PM)
QUOTE (Eshmaki @ Nov 8 2009, 07:48 PM)
Trans Avoidance, Survival, Forging and Riding in that order. Get a collar, forge a decent fullplate. With remaining credits get a level 1 sip ring.
I disagree with this statement. Survival, Avoidance, Forging. Riding is useless unless you get a collared mount, and even then it's just going to die whenever you fight anyone that actually cares. Invincible mounts are great, but also exceedingly expensive. I would suggest transcending Survival, Avoidance, and forging, then buying a sip ring, a regen ring, and a bracelet, in that order.
This. Survival is probably more important than avoidance. Focus is really, really nice.
QUOTE (Tael @ Nov 13 2009, 03:49 PM)
This. Survival is probably more important than avoidance. Focus is really, really nice.
Mmm...gotta love Survival.
Unless he gets stupid lucky during his first few suits of fullplate, forging would most likely not benefit him too much. On average the difference between field and full isn't great enough to justify the 300cr buy-in, not even counting the 12k in material it costs per try. The only real benefit of fullplate is that once you get a good one it won't decay.
QUOTE (Arelas @ Nov 12 2009, 11:31 PM)
QUOTE (Eshmaki @ Nov 8 2009, 07:48 PM)
Trans Avoidance, Survival, Forging and Riding in that order. Get a collar, forge a decent fullplate. With remaining credits get a level 1 sip ring.
I disagree with this statement. Survival, Avoidance, Forging. Riding is useless unless you get a collared mount, and even then it's just going to die whenever you fight anyone that actually cares. Invincible mounts are great, but also exceedingly expensive. I would suggest transcending Survival, Avoidance, and forging, then buying a sip ring, a regen ring, and a bracelet, in that order.
from what he posted I think he is more of a basher, than PKer. Survival is really nice, but avoidance is a lot better to get first for a basher.
Riding costs a lot (~560 cr with collar and mount itself) but has number of very nice abilities. Again he didn't claim to be a PKer, so the mount could pretty much never die. And even if you are involved in pk, just caring a bit would make sure your mount dies very rarely.
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