Can we please get an announce over Order channel whenever an off plane shrine gets defiled?

It's utterly ridiculous with people just targeting off plane shrines, and the only way there is a -chance- they'll get busted, is if there are any order members on the same plane as them (I think), or if there is an order member reading the Order logs every 5 seconds... and then, only after the shrine is destroyed, they'll be noticed.

Definitely agree that the announcement should go out on OT regardless of where the shrine is. Even if there's no chance of catching the person, at least the Order can be aware that something's happening before the shrine is actually dusted.

I concur especially in locations like Ulangi, Mysia, Zanzibaar, etc which arent incredibly hard to get to if someone is sailing or near a ferry. Expecially places with ferries, you have higher odds to reach them.

Good Call Firey.

Also, Annwyn, Underworld, Inbhir, Aran'riod... those easy places to get to with warp.

Confirmed for Brawl. This is very much a necessary change. Make it so!

Can Serpents still set up Wormholes in the Wilderness Map to set up crossplanar travel routes?

You can for reasonably close places like Aran'riod and the Tundra.

Yes to OP.

Yes please.

Disagree.

Why? The proponents of the idea have already stated the reasons for their support thereof. It's your duty as one who disagrees to state the reasons you don't support the idea.

People like him and Santar will disagree just to disgree.

People like to disagree so they can defile shrines off plane and then not have to explain to me that they attack Vastars shrines because of Bleak.

Bleak doesnt run the order people....FYI

Of course not, Fauscht, but Bleak does everything he can to avoid any sort of consequences for his actions, so people resort to other methods. Regarding the OP, I disagree with any notification that comes from shrines being off plane mainly because I like the fact that there are still methods of subterfuge that are effective. Having a shrine off plane is an advantage for the Order, so there should also be a disadvantage.

Also, Dusty - I am not Santar, please don't compare me to him again, please.

Ok I can understand your argument against this happening, I mean its not like anyone is feasibly going to run from the mainland to Tenwat in any sort of haste and avoiding the spammy messages that a shrine is being defiled is nice....but for places we can feasibly get to via wormholes....Hriddan, Tundra, Isaia etc.....there is NO reason why we shouldnt recieve those messages.

The only thing we -could- do is potentially worldburn.....which at least would buy us a little time at the cost of a bunch of essence.

its not like I am asking for BESEECH VASTAR FOR SHRINE TELEPORT...

There is already a disadvantage -- not being able to defend them. No matter if we're notified or not, it is impossible to sail there in time. All anyone is asking is to actually be notified.

Also, the whole advantage vs disadvantage doesn't really apply here because shrines are an advantage in the first place. Why should off-plane shrines have more of a disadvantage than any other shrine that has just the same amount of purpose?

I think defiling off-plane would still be fairly effective subterfuge given how hard it would be for the order, not only to stop the person but even to find out who had done it. This would add at least some risk to it, which seems good to me.

What's the point of being notified if you can't reach it in time anyways? You'll notice it if anyone in your Order checks logs more than once a month. Shrines in hard to reach locations are an added advantage because it reduces the time one has to use in order to head back to the main plane, offer, and then resume hunting.

I sort of feel the opposite actually. I think it's more unfair if only one class would be able to get there in time. Or one race, in the case of shrines near Gare exits. RP wise, knowing a shrine is in a vulnerable location, away from your main force, it seems to make perfect sense that you'd need to go to more effort to protect it. Check the logs, look for patterns in the times of day when it happens, note when/where people are bashing, hire innocuous informers who can observe without arousing suspicion, etc.

Or just quit using shrines as territory markers. That would be half the problem solved right there.

Because it's a bit annoying to be going about business and then reading the log and seeing a shrine was dropped just half-an-hour ago and no one could have possibly known. If there isn't a point, then what's the harm in a little notification? Especially when people defile and don't drop the shrine, and you arrive at an island only to find a crumbling shrine that has been like that for who knows how long.

Also, if a shrine isn't dropped and they run out of corpses, it can at least give some orders a chance to sail there before the person comes back to drop it again, on very rare occasions. It just seems silly that island/off-plane shrines are being targeted for this very reason.

No.

Shrines are not a right, they are a privilege. Your Order made the decision to place them offplane, likely knowing the mechanics behind it. If not, then stop erecting them there. If you want to be able to hear the Herald announce defilements then place them somewhere onplane! Alternatively, it doesn't hurt to devote some time and effort into making sure your offplane shrines are okay.

Note the babblers being the ones saying 'no' I should point out to them that your order asked for this before as well.
Don't pretend it's not selfish or personal ic reasons for your opposition.
After all, Thoth phoned me personally to tell me it was you defiling.


*as a note.. this is sarcasm... I'm still not at my new home, and still mildly stressed and at a friends house, and I'm unsure if my comment will be taken in the right manner.. I'm usually not after all.

I agree. Mulkerrin, as usual, makes sense.

I agree, delete all offplane shrines

Just delete shrines outside of cities and temples. Poor avenue of conflict. Stupid amount of maintenance.

Also, oh forum-rp.

Add me to the "I agree with Firey's request and would use it" bandwagon.


Perhaps it might be good to just say the area, if you aren't in the area?