I would like to see a way to create custom paintings (or art?) just like you can create custom clothing and jewelry. This could act in a similar fashion in as it requires you to get a license and a painting license. With it, you could buy canvas and design a painting, submit it like a design and have it handed back. These paintings could then be sold in shops, and it would be possible to place them in the same areas with the same restrictions as placing furniture.

I know there are some paintings that acts like items around in Achaea right now, so I don't see why we shouldn't be able to have them custom designed?

This would solve the need for having to place paintings in the actually room descriptions of houses, which in my situation at least, tends to make the room descriptions particularly long!

It would require this:

Name_of_painting: Lord Firey Ryndel in his armour

Short_desc: A paintin of a Satyri Paladin

Hung_desc: A painting of a Satyri Paladin, in a shining armour, hangs here.

Extended_desc: This painting is of a Satyr Paladin, who is standing at Fish Street, shotting absinthe. Blah blah.

Thanks in advance!

-Firey-

I like it!

And if it was implemented I foresee myself buying more credits

I believe that you two are not allowed to endorse each other's ideas, since I assume you talked about it prior to the posting!

That being said, I can't see any reason not to do it.

Noo way...

Hehe, in some sort of way, we both kinda came up with it, somehow in a weird fashion. But despite that, both of us would probably buy a license each

-Firey-

While I would never in a quadrillion years have the resources to do something like this, I think it's a good idea. However, it would probably obsolete the denizen(s) who offers this service, unless there was some substantial difference in price/quality/end result.

Denizens don't exist that do it anymore do they? The exception being the locket painter in Ashtan of course.

Well, not quite true - there's a painter that does this in Zanzibaar Island, the short desc being 'a gilt-framed portrait of <person>, and another who sculpts in Lothos. But on topic, I was told that Frida in Caer Witrin used to do something like this, although I'm not sure to what extent she did personalize the painting. Then the old man that supplied her with the painting material got killed, and she couldn't do it any more. I'm assuming he was killed for a reason? *shrugs*

On topic, I think this is a lovely idea, but I think the Crafting Guild is really already quite swamped with having to look through tailoring and jewellery sketches. I don't really see this being added as it would just add MORE to their workload.

There is a way of doing it which doesn't necessarily have to require that much of looking through. Such as having certain aspects preset, and completely limiting where you can place it (such as furniture).

It could for example always have this preset.

Name_of_painting: (custom, but only visible when probed)

Short_desc: A painting (preset)

Hung_desc: A painting has been hung here. (preset)

Extended_desc: (custom)

If it was like this, no one would buy bad paintings (with lots of spelling errors and such), and the pictures would only hang in certain areas (cityleaders put them in cities, houseleaders in househalls, orderheads in orders and other people in their private homes), which would only annoy people with bad spelling/grammer when they probed them for sale in shops, not when they just saw the painting.

Hopefully, cityleaders and houseleaders and such wouldn't want paintings with tons of errors

Well, clothing and jewellery sketches already get returned for minor spelling errors and American English when it should be British (guilty..I get confused sometimes, is all! ) and they're not exactly things that people look at a lot, save for showing them off or probing in stores, so I really think that anything player customisable would definitely still have to go through moderation, especially something as publically visible as paintings. The preset aspects might help but the main issue really would be the examined desc.

I would enjoy if it were more then paintings, banners for example, flags perhaps.

Overall, I like the idea

I remember a thread not too long ago that was possibly proposing another customizable skillset, and the reaction to that was no due to the strain already in place of keeping on the ball with the current customizables.

On the other hand, I like the idea

True enough.

Could still be a possibility to keep them in private homes only though, and possible to buy canvas in the furniture store and make it possible for people to customize them for keeping in private homes only. This would be something along the room description you can have in your private home, which isn't moderated at all.

Frida, in Caer Witrin, used to provide this service for those willing to pay. I believe-- though don't quote me-- that the practice was abolished for two reasons. Primarily, the moderation involved seemed to be difficult for the Gods/Celani to keep up with. Sometimes, you would end up waiting months for your painting to be "finished". Secondly, people *cough*NUTOPIA*cough* tended to camp the quest in an attempt to monopolize it, and would waste the commissions on crappy generic paintings that they would sell in their own shops. People *cough*NUTOPIA*cough* would get so possessive of the quest that they would actually take to threatening other people (like me) who began to make a habit of beating them to the quest in order to commission the paintings that their friends, hitherto denied the opportunity, had desired.

As for the OP, I like this idea. Since I RP Amunet as having had a classical education that would have, for a female, included art, I might buy the license, but I wouldn't aspire to use it to become the Thomas Kinkade of Achaea. That is my one reservation about the idea-- that the market will be flooded with generic or just plain bad paintings, and that artists will end up knocking off one another's work to make a profit.

I only support this if it is regulated by Ty Beirdd.

Knockoff paintings give cause?

Half-joking, half-serious. Otha would probably kill someone who blatantly copied something he had created - but painting really isn't this thing, and never would/will be.

Really, if it meant a lot to you personally, you could probably email customisations and have them create a painting for you for I think... 100 credits a pop? It might be different, but I'm pretty sure that was what I was told when I questioned about a fireplace for my home.

Yeah it'd get expensive if you wanted like 10-15 paintings or something but it wouldn't overburden any one person like tailoring or something would.

I'd rather have the Denizen option/Tradeable skill as an alternative at the very least. Make sense.




Making designs for people is overburdening? Perhaps you should get them to make their own designs and help them finalise it.

What Amunet said.

I used to love the Frida paintings. I made a handful when it was still possible and was pretty sad to see it go. I'm not really sure how it got to be so much work given how few canvases would stock (at least nearing the end, the restocks were very small). Perhaps preventing people from buying more than one every year or some such would prevent some of the monopolisation that was going on. If we could do that and have even a very small number of paintings, this would be neat.

Making a skill that allows people to submit as many paintings as they wish seems like a really terrible idea in terms of the effort required to review the designs.

Alternatively, I kind of like a certain secretary or other member of Ty Beirdd acting as a critic or some such and approving or denying the paintings (they would need to be impartial so people not quite so friendly with Cyrene can have paintings as well).

Only one canvas could be purchased a year-- I'll admit that I hoarded three or four that I later handed out to friends, just to keep Nutopia from getting them once I figured out what she was up to.

Hrm, well my point was more that rather than limiting the stock quite so drastically, which I really don't think should be necessary (how much time does it REALLY take to proof-read, say, ten paragraphs every IG year?), that people should be limited to buying less than the full stock. If they only stock one canvas a year and the same person buys it, that doesn't really solve the hoarding problem. There would need to be some limit on how often a person can buy a canvas that is significantly more restrictive than how often the canvases actually restock.

I still think having a member of Ty Beirdd do it would be the best option (after making sure they're capable of making good decisions about these things of course). Perhaps Frida could invite them to be a curator for the musem in Caer Witrin or something.

I adore this idea. While IRE's manpower in Achaea has slimmed a bit (Polaris!!!), I like the idea of maybe modifying the denizen system so people can't take advantage of it so easily. Possibly five canvases, with the denizen recalling an adventurer that's already purchased one that year?

While I also like the idea of a curator of sorts to sift through paintings themselves, we'd have to make sure beforehand that they could be totally impartial, so they could approve private paintings like "Squishing a Kitten - A Mhaldorian's Repose." Might have to be a specially appointed Celani in the end, because while the first couple of curators could be impartial, down the line that's not always going to be guaranteed.

Cooking first

I really like this idea, but...



This.

Lusternia has this as a basic skill almost anyone can use, and it works wonderfully. (I've even seen tasteful "nudes" of divine). You can paint objects/people, or a "landscape" which is of course the room you're in. Can't people with a house change the room description to anything they want? That would make for some awesome pictures.

Yes, but it also makes them incredibly long. Elene and I have a room with two paintings in it, and had the room been a help file, most people would have to do 'more'. :/

No, I mean set the name of the room as the "title" of the painting, set the room descript as the painting appearance, and then paint the landscape. See, the divine need to let us paint stuff here, I bet some of you guys could come up with some really good paintings.

The standing order is "no more crafting skills" - at least where custom designs are concerned - and I'm inclined to agree. Achaea does not generally possess the manpower to handle this, even though Pentharian et al have offered to shoulder part of the burden.

Consider it this way: In the ancient world, a work of art was a costly mark of distinction. This is echoed in the credit price of customising a blank canvas.


I agree!

I do like the cooking idea alot....

You could make big profit too selling in stores and for personal use especially if a hunter or something and collecting meats. I dont know about vegetables if that would be similar to harvesting or not

I liked the Help file thing Delphinus had in that link. It doesnt seem too difficult to make feasible...not to derail a subject cause I like paintings too, but it would be a more difficult load with the already ridiculous amount of Tailoring and Jewelery designs to be custom.

Not if they were kept completely private, such as only possible to hang in private homes. They could be kept the same as rooms currently are, making it possible for people to buy their own and put them in their private homes only (NOT for sale in player ran shops), while for Houses/Cities/Orders, they would have to go through their Divine Patron to make sure everything is appropriate (such as would happen if a house was to add a new room to their house hall).

So this wouldn't make it as much of a crafting skill, than a house upgrade of sorts. As stated previously in the post, a denizen could sell them (stock 200 a year or so), and players could buy a maximum of -one- each, without the possibility of transferring them between players.

-Firey-

Hmm could make it sort of a subhouse upgrade? I imagine that might limit the demand for them a bit?

Yeah, pretty much my thoughts, just in another fashion.

Firstly, perhaps when shipping comes in, Frida will be able to get canvases from Havden in Zanzibaar.

Secondly, a license for cooking and for painting would be very nice. Charge enough for them and it could increase profitability. Both would be lovely additions.

What would be necessary for these things to come about? Any other input from us? I'd be willing to put time into either, although I don't know how Delph's cooking proposal could be improved.