I wonder why such a view has developed from the admins? Why can't the world see a more dramatic change at the hand of the players? Why can't a city become divided and split up if the players plan it well enough? Or the Church finally become uprooted and moved from Shallam or vice versa?

Actually, Sarapis gave a direct answer to this question somewhere on the forums - it was in regards to the Dresden/Gelphend/Dawnstrider event.


I can't find it now though.

Well, it's not a case of trying to crush roleplaying. Guilds were not owned by their members. Their current members were the temporary caretakers of the organization, but just like the Pope doesn't own the Vatican (nor do all the existing cardinals together, etc), a guildmaster didn't own the guild, and the existing members didn't own the guild either. Just like a country could stop, say, the VFW from leaving the country and re-locating somewhere else, cities should be able to stop a guild from doing the same, given that guilds are blatantly subordinate to cities and much, much, much smaller (guilds had mainly only players as citizens, but there is a large, assumed NPC population in a city).

Further, in the case of the Dawnstriders, they were just kicking out members who wouldn't get with the "leave Shallam" program, and that's silly to allow. We don't have code or the time/inclination to do code that permits forcible leadership change, and taking the "the guild members will should rule" stance means that the guildmaster just has to kick out everyone who disagrees with him, and bam, off goes the guild. The result would be guilds moving anytime they had a dispute with a city government, rather than having to properly roleplay out a resolution that the city state will permit.

Just for the record, btw, here are the guilds I can recall permitting to move:

Sentaari (moved from wilderness to Shallam)
Sentinels (moved from Shallam to wilderness)

Hmm, that's all I can recall, though I feel as if there may have been a third one.

So anyway, the idea that guilds were ever allowed to move with any regularity is totally off. That's 2 or 3 in the space of almost 9 real-life years.

Appointed seats probably make house-shifting (as an example) a royal pain in the ass.

Odds are there are hardcoded reasons for at least some of the stuff that the administration is adamantly against changing around, especially at the ever-changing whims of the players.

Sentinels have moved more than that. 3 times actually.

weren't the sentinels based in Hashan at one time?

What should happen is all of Achaea should divide into two teams under leadership; Team Rangor and Team Xenomorph, then each should start out with a colonization at the opposite ends of Achaea, and start building two giant cities, and instead of houses they should have different branches of organzations that handle and manage different things. They should grow and plan and train and prosper off of each other, then in 100 to 1000 Achaea years, both armies will leave their cities, marching towards each other, meet in the grasslands, both leaders shouting once last word, then both armies erupting and running towards each other, then an explosion of war and fight should drag on and on until every last player either has their fingers fall off or the pass out from exhaustion.

DotA: Defense of the Achaeans?

Edit: I wonder what the admins would do if a house blatantly went against their ideals though, and just changed them without speaking to the Patron or anything about it. Or if all the active members of a house would just simply quit it in protest and form a clan.

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Shallam, Hashan, Gaia's temple, Eleusis

You can still see their old guildhall in Hashan, it is located in the Southeast part.

This is what happened with the Lotus but it was the other way around. The House lost its base ideals and people ragequit the house after a few years and some people started up a monk only clan that went with the base ideals of the Lotus House. They even tried to have ranks and stuff, but it eventually ran into the ground.

It's locked.

No it's not...
it's also the main warphub in hashan these days

Hashan locked it and put roaming guards in it now.

I used to be able to brag about my family, but then Rho left and Meleah and Hallis decided to screw it up.

wrong thread?

I believe they canceled the warp going in too.

Bards were told that it's not possible to move from Cyrene as well.

That this was explored makes Mardosi's anger at the Ty Beirdd not being Cyrenian enough fairly laughable.

I'm sorry, dude. But, REALLY?

Are you for serious? Because you're sounding a bit foolish but it could just be that you're joking and I'm not picking up on the tone.