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Balthazar
I've gotten really bored with Tekura lately, and while I may enjoy Telepathy in long distance excursions, I'd rather not switch back to Grook until after I've retired from bashing.

I've considered Serpent quite a bit, theft is really appealing, but a change like that would require quite a few credits to trans my class skills, change race to Mhun. pick up an artefact or two. Even through all that, maybe by buying monk arties I'd find more enjoyment. Some of these logs with the massive choke and crush damages are inspiring.

I'm just no longer having fun as a monk. I think the most fun I had with the class was controlling people through Telepathy. I'd imagine Hypnosis does a much better job.

Anyone play a class they particularly have more fun with than others they've played that wouldn't be too crippled with only one and a half class skills transed?
Sidonia
QUOTE (Balthazar @ Oct 17 2009, 11:05 PM) *
So as it stands, my monk is tri-transed plus Survival and about halfway through Vision. I've gotten really bored with Tekura lately, and while I may enjoy Telepathy in long distance excursions, I'd rather not switch back to Grook until after I've retired from bashing.

I've considered Serpent quite a bit, theft is really appealing, but a change like that would require quite a few credits to re-trans my class skills, change race to Mhun. pick up an artefact or two. Even through all that, maybe by buying monk arties I'd find more enjoyment. Some of these logs with the massive choke and crush damages are inspiring.

I'm just no longer having fun as a monk. I think the most fun I had with the class was controlling people through Telepathy. I'd imagine Hypnosis does a much better job.

Anyone play a class they particularly have more fun with than others they've played that wouldn't be too crippled with only one and a half class skills transed?

I am having fun with sentinel, and you don't need to learn concoctions for that.
Azuhi
Wow, I was thinking about the same thing. I can't switch tho, house won't allow them. Sentinels will always be the most attractive class from BL but they don't have any useful range attacks.
Boz
Trade you, I'm a tri-trans serpent with the tri-trans blues. Theft ain't all its cracked up to be, I suck at combat as well soooo I'm kinda bored.
Exelethril
QUOTE (Boz @ Oct 17 2009, 07:40 PM) *
Trade you, I'm a tri-trans serpent with the tri-trans blues. Theft ain't all its cracked up to be, I suck at combat as well soooo I'm kinda bored.


Seriously? I've been thinking of going serpent but but..
Boz
Artied serpents rock. Unartied serpent is WAY tough, you have to out-think systems every fight and you'll have trouble tanking damage unless you bash a lot.
Balthazar
QUOTE (Boz @ Oct 17 2009, 06:40 PM) *
Trade you, I'm a tri-trans serpent with the tri-trans blues. Theft ain't all its cracked up to be, I suck at combat as well soooo I'm kinda bored.


Bored, really? I can't imagine ever getting bored with Hypnosis and Subterfuge.

Sentinel has crossed my mind, Metamorphosis has always been an appealing skillset.

I transed Pranks and most of Puppetry on a Jester, once. He was alright.
Azuhi
I just switched to Sentinel, will tell you how it works out for me
revolg
If you've been monk, I'm not sure how much you'll like Serpent.

Occie is a cool class. eh stars in raids, and they doesn't afraid of anything.

Plus doppleganger, pit, AF, Mog, astral vision. Etc.
Rynn
Monk is fun. Just explore the class more.
Sabiru
Theft is great fun.

Until you've robbed everyone.
zii
Monk was fun at first, it lost it's flair.

Try apostate
Balthazar
QUOTE (zii @ Oct 18 2009, 12:58 AM) *
Monk was fun at first, it lost it's flair.

Try apostate


I've considered this, too. I wouldn't have any lessons in Evil Eye, but transed Apostasy or Necromancy could be fun.

Then again, I already play a Good priest.
Eshmaki
Get a Gem of transmutation. Gives a whole lot difference for monk.
Cooper
You probably haven't explored all the monk class has to offer. I don't know who you are IG, but if it would be appropriate for your character to talk to mine you're more than welcome. Otherwise send a PM or something and I'll give you some tips on more creative things.
Dontarion
QUOTE (Boz @ Oct 17 2009, 06:40 PM) *
Trade you, I'm a tri-trans serpent with the tri-trans blues. Theft ain't all its cracked up to be, I suck at combat as well soooo I'm kinda bored.

You've robbed people? That's new.
Boz
QUOTE (Dontarion @ Oct 18 2009, 06:53 PM) *
QUOTE (Boz @ Oct 17 2009, 06:40 PM) *
Trade you, I'm a tri-trans serpent with the tri-trans blues. Theft ain't all its cracked up to be, I suck at combat as well soooo I'm kinda bored.

You've robbed people? That's new.

I practiced on a Housemate, failed horrifically, and decided if I was going to get killed for something, I'd rather get killed for pissing someone off by doing something right than by -ing something up!

EDIT: To clarify, my statement that theft is bad is from talking to quite a few serpents. If you aren't good at it, you won't get anything usually and you will end up dying. I mean, unless you want to teach me? tongue.gif
revolg
QUOTE (Boz @ Oct 19 2009, 12:45 AM) *
QUOTE (Dontarion @ Oct 18 2009, 06:53 PM) *
QUOTE (Boz @ Oct 17 2009, 06:40 PM) *
Trade you, I'm a tri-trans serpent with the tri-trans blues. Theft ain't all its cracked up to be, I suck at combat as well soooo I'm kinda bored.

You've robbed people? That's new.

I practiced on a Housemate, failed horrifically, and decided if I was going to get killed for something, I'd rather get killed for pissing someone off by doing something right than by -ing something up!

EDIT: To clarify, my statement that theft is bad is from talking to quite a few serpents. If you aren't good at it, you won't get anything usually and you will end up dying. I mean, unless you want to teach me? tongue.gif


Theft is 20% skill and 80% luck. You will die no matter what; the only way you "succeed" is through continuing to steal until that luck comes through.
Exelethril
QUOTE (revolg @ Oct 18 2009, 08:50 PM) *
QUOTE (Boz @ Oct 19 2009, 12:45 AM) *
QUOTE (Dontarion @ Oct 18 2009, 06:53 PM) *
QUOTE (Boz @ Oct 17 2009, 06:40 PM) *
Trade you, I'm a tri-trans serpent with the tri-trans blues. Theft ain't all its cracked up to be, I suck at combat as well soooo I'm kinda bored.

You've robbed people? That's new.

I practiced on a Housemate, failed horrifically, and decided if I was going to get killed for something, I'd rather get killed for pissing someone off by doing something right than by -ing something up!

EDIT: To clarify, my statement that theft is bad is from talking to quite a few serpents. If you aren't good at it, you won't get anything usually and you will end up dying. I mean, unless you want to teach me? tongue.gif


Theft is 20% skill and 80% luck. You will die no matter what; the only way you "succeed" is through continuing to steal until that luck comes through.


You've robbed people? That's new.
Boz
QUOTE (Exelethril @ Oct 18 2009, 08:03 PM) *
QUOTE (revolg @ Oct 18 2009, 08:50 PM) *
QUOTE (Boz @ Oct 19 2009, 12:45 AM) *
QUOTE (Dontarion @ Oct 18 2009, 06:53 PM) *
QUOTE (Boz @ Oct 17 2009, 06:40 PM) *
Trade you, I'm a tri-trans serpent with the tri-trans blues. Theft ain't all its cracked up to be, I suck at combat as well soooo I'm kinda bored.

You've robbed people? That's new.

I practiced on a Housemate, failed horrifically, and decided if I was going to get killed for something, I'd rather get killed for pissing someone off by doing something right than by -ing something up!

EDIT: To clarify, my statement that theft is bad is from talking to quite a few serpents. If you aren't good at it, you won't get anything usually and you will end up dying. I mean, unless you want to teach me? tongue.gif


Theft is 20% skill and 80% luck. You will die no matter what; the only way you "succeed" is through continuing to steal until that luck comes through.


You've robbed people? That's new.

Revolg has robbed lots of people. Taelie has robbed Revolg once too ph34r.gif
revolg
Is Taelie Deli?
Boz
QUOTE (revolg @ Oct 18 2009, 08:10 PM) *
Is Taelie Deli?

No, Taelie is Taelie. You gave her a hat filled with packs, she took the hat and gave out the packs to newbies as I recall.
Sidonia
QUOTE (Exelethril @ Oct 19 2009, 12:03 AM) *
You've robbed people? That's new.

Evangelus Exelethril Lex Aeterna, Friend of Angels (male Atavian).
He is 41 years old, having been born on the 13th of Miraman, 480 years after the
...
He has been engaged to be married to Sister Shelbie Yuridja, Sentaari Pilgrim
for 22 months.


Here's your next target, Revolg.
Exelethril
QUOTE (Sidonia @ Oct 18 2009, 09:22 PM) *
QUOTE (Exelethril @ Oct 19 2009, 12:03 AM) *
You've robbed people? That's new.

Evangelus Exelethril Lex Aeterna, Friend of Angels (male Atavian).
He is 41 years old, having been born on the 13th of Miraman, 480 years after the
...
He has been engaged to be married to Sister Shelbie Yuridja, Sentaari Pilgrim
for 22 months.


Here's your next target, Revolg.


!
revolg
Seraline didn't work out?
Dontarion
QUOTE (revolg @ Oct 18 2009, 06:50 PM) *
QUOTE (Boz @ Oct 19 2009, 12:45 AM) *
QUOTE (Dontarion @ Oct 18 2009, 06:53 PM) *
QUOTE (Boz @ Oct 17 2009, 06:40 PM) *
Trade you, I'm a tri-trans serpent with the tri-trans blues. Theft ain't all its cracked up to be, I suck at combat as well soooo I'm kinda bored.

You've robbed people? That's new.

I practiced on a Housemate, failed horrifically, and decided if I was going to get killed for something, I'd rather get killed for pissing someone off by doing something right than by -ing something up!

EDIT: To clarify, my statement that theft is bad is from talking to quite a few serpents. If you aren't good at it, you won't get anything usually and you will end up dying. I mean, unless you want to teach me? tongue.gif


Theft is 20% skill and 80% luck. You will die no matter what; the only way you "succeed" is through continuing to steal until that luck comes through.


I wouldn't say this. Good thieves will learn that there are better times to strike your target for their valuables and when these times are. This is also why I started to develop my wholist. It was a great tool for theft. Sans hitting the occassional selfishness wall it's all about knowledge and that's half the battle.
Jonathin
QUOTE (Boz @ Oct 17 2009, 07:56 PM) *
Artied serpents rock. Unartied serpent is WAY tough, you have to out-think systems every fight and you'll have trouble tanking damage unless you bash a lot.


You have to out-think systems regardless, which if you spend some time just watching how people cure, isn't that hard.
Unlike people, systems have to go according to their programming and can't adapt outside of the programming.

Serpent combat isn't hard, it's just very in-depth, and if you forget any details you'll either lose, or you'll be set back. Which is why I like it so much.
Rynn
I've been monk so long I have problems understanding how people function without things like vitality, numb, kai heal, standing firm, immunity, et cetera. The thought of being a class in which a monk can kill me with only a double leg-break confuses and irritates me.
Jonathin
QUOTE (Rynn @ Oct 19 2009, 03:10 AM) *
I've been monk so long I have problems understanding how people function without things like vitality, numb, kai heal, standing firm, immunity, et cetera. The thought of being a class in which a monk can kill me with only a double leg-break confuses and irritates me.


You mean a class where a monk has to press their bashing macro once or twice to kill you?

edit: redundancy
Gorlasintan
QUOTE (Rynn @ Oct 19 2009, 02:10 AM) *
I've been monk so long I have problems understanding how people function without things like standing firm.

APPLY MASS
Rynn
QUOTE (Gorlasintan @ Oct 19 2009, 02:15 AM) *
QUOTE (Rynn @ Oct 19 2009, 02:10 AM) *
I've been monk so long I have problems understanding how people function without things like standing firm.

APPLY MASS

I've told you before about how pitifully supplied I am for a mark. I don't waste resources.

@Jonathin: Yeah, exactly. smile.gif
Gorlasintan
QUOTE (Rynn @ Oct 19 2009, 02:28 AM) *
QUOTE (Gorlasintan @ Oct 19 2009, 02:15 AM) *
QUOTE (Rynn @ Oct 19 2009, 02:10 AM) *
I've been monk so long I have problems understanding how people function without things like standing firm.

APPLY MASS

I've told you before about how pitifully supplied I am for a mark. I don't waste resources.

@Jonathin: Yeah, exactly. smile.gif


Mass 2617 14
Otha
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QUOTE (Jonathin @ Oct 19 2009, 07:36 AM) *
QUOTE (Boz @ Oct 17 2009, 07:56 PM) *
Artied serpents rock. Unartied serpent is WAY tough, you have to out-think systems every fight and you'll have trouble tanking damage unless you bash a lot.


You have to out-think systems regardless, which if you spend some time just watching how people cure, isn't that hard.
Unlike people, systems have to go according to their programming and can't adapt outside of the programming.

Serpent combat isn't hard, it's just very in-depth, and if you forget any details you'll either lose, or you'll be set back. Which is why I like it so much.


Thoth's fang pretty much overrules any need to out-think systems.

If you are thinking about Serpent there are things you are going to need to figure out how to get around BEFORE even thinking about systems.

In no particular order:
-Rebounding/Shield
-Dstab miss %
-Passive Curing
-Fitness
-Shrugging
-Extra balance curing
-Focus
-Tree tat
-Sileris
-Lifevision (and mask of lifevision)

You will also have to deal with having the only skillset that can also be purchased with artefacts (bow, vibrating stick, anklet of dashing, shadowcloak, staff of illusion, scorpion's tail).

If you do kill someone as a serpent, especially a class you shouldn't be able to, the feeling of achievement is amazing.

Edit: All in all, serpent is worth it if you put in the work. I'm willing to give you a little bit of guidance (hi Boz) but don't expect any detailed help if Otha has no IC reason to associate with you.
Snareman_kindfire
QUOTE (Boz @ Oct 17 2009, 06:56 PM) *
Artied serpents rock. Unartied serpent is WAY tough, you have to out-think systems every fight and you'll have trouble tanking damage unless you bash a lot.


This is not true, because serpents have quite a few things they can do to tank without tanking.
Eshmaki
QUOTE (Otha @ Oct 19 2009, 03:06 PM) *
Edit: All in all, serpent is worth it if you put in the work. I'm willing to give you a little bit of guidance (hi Boz) but don't expect any detailed help if Otha has no IC reason to associate with you.


Wondering how lucky you got tongue.gif
Otha
QUOTE (Eshmaki @ Oct 19 2009, 05:27 PM) *
QUOTE (Otha @ Oct 19 2009, 03:06 PM) *
Edit: All in all, serpent is worth it if you put in the work. I'm willing to give you a little bit of guidance (hi Boz) but don't expect any detailed help if Otha has no IC reason to associate with you.


Wondering how lucky you got tongue.gif


Huh?
Balynne
QUOTE (Otha @ Oct 19 2009, 10:06 AM) *
Edit: All in all, serpent is worth it if you put in the work. I'm willing to give you a little bit of guidance (hi Boz) but don't expect any detailed help if Otha has no IC reason to associate with you.


Dear Otha,

Stop messing up the plan.

Lots of love,

Baly
Boz
QUOTE (Otha @ Oct 19 2009, 10:06 AM) *
Edit: All in all, serpent is worth it if you put in the work. I'm willing to give you a little bit of guidance (hi Boz) but don't expect any detailed help if Otha has no IC reason to associate with you.

KICK BOZ x 10000
TELL BOZ When are you joining a real House? x 50?
tongue.gif
Sidonia
QUOTE (Otha @ Oct 19 2009, 03:06 PM) *
You will also have to deal with having the only skillset that can also be purchased with artefacts (bow, vibrating stick, anklet of dashing, shadowcloak, staff of illusion, scorpion's tail).

?????
Cooper
Bite loki.
Alinoe
Except all classes can administer loki tongue.gif
Sidonia
QUOTE (Cooper @ Oct 20 2009, 05:37 AM) *
Bite loki.

Loki isn't in subterfuge though, which the rest of them were, and I assume is the skillset he was referring to.
Lang
QUOTE (Sidonia @ Oct 20 2009, 08:04 AM) *
QUOTE (Cooper @ Oct 20 2009, 05:37 AM) *
Bite loki.

Loki isn't in subterfuge though, which the rest of them were, and I assume is the skillset he was referring to.
Subterfuge is a skill, not a skillset.
Talesinger
QUOTE (Lang @ Oct 20 2009, 02:14 PM) *
QUOTE (Sidonia @ Oct 20 2009, 08:04 AM) *
QUOTE (Cooper @ Oct 20 2009, 05:37 AM) *
Bite loki.

Loki isn't in subterfuge though, which the rest of them were, and I assume is the skillset he was referring to.
Subterfuge is an ability, not a skillset.

Sena
QUOTE (Talesinger @ Oct 20 2009, 09:19 AM) *
QUOTE (Lang @ Oct 20 2009, 02:14 PM) *
QUOTE (Sidonia @ Oct 20 2009, 08:04 AM) *
QUOTE (Cooper @ Oct 20 2009, 05:37 AM) *
Bite loki.

Loki isn't in subterfuge though, which the rest of them were, and I assume is the skillset he was referring to.
Subterfuge is an ability, not a skillset.


No, subterfuge is a skill. Evade, doublestab, and warp are examples of abilities within that skill.
Talesinger
QUOTE (Sena @ Oct 20 2009, 01:21 PM) *
QUOTE (Talesinger @ Oct 20 2009, 09:19 AM) *
QUOTE (Lang @ Oct 20 2009, 02:14 PM) *
QUOTE (Sidonia @ Oct 20 2009, 08:04 AM) *
QUOTE (Cooper @ Oct 20 2009, 05:37 AM) *
Bite loki.

Loki isn't in subterfuge though, which the rest of them were, and I assume is the skillset he was referring to.
Subterfuge is an ability, not a skillset.


No, subterfuge is a skill. Evade, doublestab, and warp are examples of abilities within that skill.


I'm wrong! Woe is me! Okay, okay.
Otha
QUOTE
To see a list of the abilities that you have in these skills, type AB <skillname>. Remember, a skill is generally a set of abilities, while an ability is something you will individually do.


Help skill system
Lang
QUOTE
4.15.1 Skillsets

(See also: HELP SKILLS)

Achaea has skills. Each skill is comprised of many abilities. You might even
call it a set of abilities.

The term "skillsets" is sometimes used erroneously in place of "skills". A
skill is something like Subterfuge, or Telepathy, or Devotion. These are not
skillsets!

A skillSET is a set of skills connected to a certain class. For example, the
skillset of the Monk class is Telepathy, Kaido, and Tekura.

(See also: HELP SKILLS)
Drauka
oops.
Sidonia
QUOTE (Lang @ Oct 20 2009, 02:14 PM) *
QUOTE (Sidonia @ Oct 20 2009, 08:04 AM) *
QUOTE (Cooper @ Oct 20 2009, 05:37 AM) *
Bite loki.

Loki isn't in subterfuge though, which the rest of them were, and I assume is the skillset he was referring to.
Subterfuge is a skill, not a skillset.

Using the same language as the original post I was referring to. If by skillset he means all 3 skills, then I'd have to disagree that they're able to be purchased with artefacts, I'd say that only extends to subterfuge, and the vast majority of subterfuge is still unique and useful.
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