Flying mounts should waterwalk. This is all.

Though, I don't know much about riding and other mounts, this makes sense.

Can you not walk through water if you have waterwalking boots on while mounted?

It actually doesn't make much sense. Are the mounts constantly in a holding pattern or a hover? If so, I can see it, otherwise they're only flying when they're actually flying.

This should be more a matter of what balances the game the best and less a question of whether an imaginary text creature requires that your imaginary text character wear special enchanted footwear if the imaginary text creature has the power of flight.

When everything we're talking about is in the context of an "imaginary" text game, the "it's only an imaginary text <insert noun here>" argument holds little water.

That said, I agree with your general sentiment.

Doesn't make sense that you can ride your mount over water only because you're wearing waterwalking boots which aren't touching the water in the first place. I'm all for this change, yes please!

Why would a mount walk through water when they could just fly/hover over it? If I were a flying horse, that's what I'd do!

Instead of this, I'd prefer a change to fording. Currently, FORD <direction> has a delay like swimming, and the only difference is that you take no damage, if you don't have fluidswim. If you do have fluidswim, the only difference is that while mounted, you'd use the ford command instead of swim. I suggest that fording be automatic when you try to move into a water room while mounted, so it would essentially be the same as waterwalking.

So, currently:


With the change:

Yes to Sena, No to OP

No. Doesn't make sense from any perspective.

Just buy waterwalking boots if you want waterwalking.

The magic extends to the horse. See, you can make things like this make sense.

No to the OP. I'm fine with a change to fording.

Well...would that mean Atavians can waterwalk?

Hmm. Yes, yes it should.

Fine with fording change but not with giving flying mounts waterwalking?

I don't really go around looking at mounts but aren't all the flyers legendsteeds? Legendsteed > fording in riding. All this change will do is if I try to move and fail i'll have a trigger to repeat it in the ford version. I'm sure everyone else would too.

I'm fine with Atavians having waterwalking.

For the record I think if you're mounting a creature in the sky and someone tentacles me off the mount and onto the ground that my gargoyle, who I just checked, is 'following me' by being mounted would actually follow me. I tried follow me while mounted and he says he is. I trust him. I don't trust him when we get seperated. He could be off cheating. Stupid gargoyle.

Actually, my suggestion was to have fording be a passive ability that works while mounted, so there'd be no need for a ford command or a trigger.

Didn't see that. It's funny though everyone says no to OP but you reword the ability and it's the same thing yet people want it. Odd enough but whatever. The change is still the same - waterwalking on mounts.

It makes sense if their main objection to the original idea is for flavor/RP reasons, rather than being opposed to waterwalking for mounts. I agree that the ideas are very similar though, the only practical difference is that one works for all mounts and one is only for flying mounts.

Actually, I'm all for giving Atavians the equivalent of a few thousand gold item. It's not unbalancing at all, it's convenient, and it seems to me like the race could do with perhaps a tiny bit more incentive. It's not even much of an incentive given how cheap and ubiquitous water-walking boots are. It's not like we're talking about giving artefact powers or even class powers (well, water weirds) to anyone.

I also agree that either flying mounts should essentially hover over water or that fording should be an instantaneous passive ability without any special command (so it would behave identically to waterwalking). Personally, I like the second option a bit better, but they both seem fine. It's somewhat dumb when people are more mobile with a few thousand gold item than with a ridiculously costly (in lessons and gold) mount. The whole point of mounts is transportation (I suppose the main point in Achaea is actually trample, but the point stands that they should be more mobile than individual people for the most part).

Edit: Or option #3, water-walking horse shoes.

Lol at option #3 - I ride a gargoyle, dirty.

Slightly off-topic, but I've never understood why flying mounts (particularly custom pets) are susceptible to being blown around in the wind given their weight and all.

Dragons get the wind blowing thing too. I've never, ever understood the wind blowing in the game.

Enchantments require no undervaluing. Why change this balance?

To annoy the - out of players.

Dragon: HURR I HAVE JOINED THE RANKS OF THE HIGH-LEVELED! NONE CAN STOP ME...
Gust of wind: Except for me. -blows lightly at Dragon-
Dragon: AUUUGH! NOT THE GUST OF WIND! CURSE YOUUUUUUUUUUUU- -is blown west-

It honestly seems like a case of, "Hey, you think flying is gonna be cool as hell, right? Exciting concept, isn't it? It is a cool first experience, but just so you don't have too much fun flying, we're gonna throw in a little annoying aspect like wind blowing you around constantly. Have fun mother-ers."

Probably more like: Wanna fly properly? Then BUY THE STABILITY ARTIFACT, LIKE ALL THE COOL KIDS DO!

Is there one of those? If there is, it was probably an afterthought after players complained, then they said, don't like it? Buy our fix right here! Which means my original theory would still apply.

Doesnt the levitation defence, you know.. make you Levitate? Why would you need waterwalking at all if youre levitating. I dont care about changing any of these current things, im just saying.

The way I see it (ICly), levitation causes you to push off the ground slightly. Water isn't as cohesive as land though, so pushing on it just pushes it down... which means you go down too... which displaces more water... Waterwalking boots, on the other hand, have some magic about them (they ARE enchanted) to keep the water solid enough to stay on top of, if not actually levitate.

Well, you see it ICly wrong.



You float above the ground when you have levitation up.

Look at it from either one of two ways:

1. You hover above the ground, not the water. Therefore, when you go to cross a river, you're still going to have to swim across, because the riverbed's at the bottom of the river.

2. Water suppresses the levitation defense somewhat, making it so that you have to swim across.

Did I not say that? Lol, that's the definition of 'levitation'. I said it pushes you off the ground a bit. But pushing off the ground means exerting a force on the ground. If that ground is water, it's going to be closer to air than dirt. You still fall from the air when you have levitation, it's just a softer landing.

EDIT: @Cooper

The single worst aspect of getting blown around by the wind is the 20 second balance loss that accompanies it. >:(

Stupid wind + Eleusis guards.

Dash should allow you to skip merrily along the surface of any water.

Like a stone skipping across the face of Sapience......

-10 for attempting to apply real life physics to Achaea.

Edit: You know what other things involving flying need to be changed? The fact that the evil shop of wonders birds, which were approved, do not exist needs to be changed. They're not even listed, have they just been entirely forgotten? I am still sitting on a pile of Mayan Crowns with nothing to spend them on

I punch your face. My fist exerts a force on your face. Your face indents. My fist keeps moving, instead of levitating on the surface of your nose.

EDIT: If I punched a concrete wall, you better believe my fist would stop.

-20 for continuing to apply real life physics to Achaea. Who says levitation works by exerting a force downwards? Who says that all forces are paired? Perhaps it's just a coincedence that some come in pairs in Achaea. If it's been established IG that forces are paired, fine. To my knowledge, it has not. Also, I cannot help but feel threatened by your thinly veiled threats of physical violence against my person. ADMIN!

Reader's Digest: Keep your stupid high school physics justifications out of my fantasy game.

I never took high school physics.

EDIT: And the example was in jest... (but also as a concrete example of the same kind of force in-game)

Failschool fails. Everyone should be required to take physics. You must be in a school in the south to southeast if you're in the United States.

Homeschooled (and physics is on the to-do list), but this is hardly the place to discuss education.

Lol. Sigged.

I didn't take physics or any math past trig. Nor did I take any neat foreign languages past the second level (of four for the school).
Come to think of it, how the hell did I graduate?

If you went to school in Florida....
You would probably graduate with an education that is less then half that of a decent northern state.

If you're going to make fun of an educational system, don't mix up your homophones

Rakon is from Florida.

I went to and graduated from a school in Michigan. Then again, all everyone seems to know here is how to roll a joint and operate some kind of industrial press.
Oh, also there's a Meth problem, and everyone 25+ is an alcoholic.