I recently tested the difference between troll and satyr balance while DSLing and I found that using identical weapons the dsl speed was unaffected, the only difference was doing less damage.

So, the question is, can it be confirmed that (-)Balance recovery doesnt factor into DSL speed and that normal balance ~= troll balance?

Balance is factored in. However balance recovery has a 0.25 second random factor. While Racial penalty is 0.3 seconds. So your testing could be result of misfortune of random factor and latency.

I've never done more than the simplest testing of weapon speeds, and not at all for DSL specifically, so I can't say for sure. Remember that the faster the weapons, the less of a difference racial balance will make, since it's a percentage of the base speed. With fast weapons, the racial bonus will be pretty difficult to separate from the natural variance in speed. With slow weapons, the difference will be much more noticeable. If I remember right, racial balance modifiers are about 10% per level.


It's a percentage, not a flat amount.

I really only seemed to get a variance of .1 here and there, but you could be right. Im not sure if I should be happy that Trolls can dsl about as fast as satyrs or that its probably not worth it to go mhun in favour of Rajamala to get the max benefit.

I wasn't even aware of this.

So it's no use to for a Raja, for example, to use a really fast rapier? It's better just to use a high-damage one?

uh rapier speed affects balance. Racial speed affects balance on a % basis which means that at lower speeds there is less variation.

So, in other words Decan is talking about things he knows nothing about again?


Gotcha.

I am always the first to jump on the anti-Decan train (he teamed me in an FFA once), but really, who are you?

Decan owned Santar so bad back in the day. It was lol.

Wat?

All I did was ask a question, gennerally when someone asks a question its about something they dont know about.... right?

I feel like this will contribute to the topic.

http://forums.achaea.com/index.php?showtopic=38605&hl=

How does people not liking an unrelated Idea I posted contribute to a question asked about DSL? You guys really are slipping.

Translation : How are people not liking an unrelated idea I posted which contributes to a question related to DSL's? You guys really are slipping.

Your translation is incorrect. His idea in no way contributes to his question.

Translation : How are people not liking an unrelated idea I posted which does not contribute to a question related to DSL's? You guys really are slipping.

Accurate translation: How does people not liking an unrelated idea I posted contribute to a question asked about DSL? You guys really are slipping.

Translation: And no, I do not sit at the back of the class and eat paste or -. I have a ton of friends.

Sarcasm.

http://forums.achaea.com/index.php?s=&...t&p=1165783

Another instance where racial balance has little to no effect, he was averaging 2.5-2.7 as a Raja with (+)balance recovery on most of those dsls and as a troll with (-)balance recovery with 212 rapiers I could hit 2.7 consistantly.

Again, this is only by my testing but it might be worth it for a Knight with the trasmutation artie to really test out.

I gave up trying to find the right speed. I just grabbed fast enough rapiers so that I can try and keep the person hindered long enough for my setup to work. It works against everyone so far except Kelandra, but only because in the span of 10 seconds I am in the red, even after shielding (delete bees prz). I was thinking of going Mhun and just picking up an extra 20 speed on my rapiers -shrug-

The same could be said about you. Your point?

He is Trendor. And she is Sidonia. And I am Boz. Now that we're all introduced, back to the business at hand!

Dsl is most definitely affected by racial balance. The thread/post you quoted was very inaccurate with the testing. The higher speed your weapons, the less racial balance will change your dsl speed. You won't notice much difference going from neutral balance to +2 balance with 227 or higher, but you will notice a significant difference with 207s.

This is incorrect.

Well first off your timestamps aren't correct, so learn how to use timestamps.

Second you have a variance of over .2s in the speed once you count for your poorly coded timestamps.

And Decan compared your inaccurate numbers with numbers he 'remembered', adding to the inaccuracy of his post.

0.2's are negligible though.

Incorrect. For a two-second DSL, .2s is a variation of 10%, which is quite a large value.

Not negligible, more like they can be accounted for - due to Sena's eq/bal discovery.

It doesn't matter, either way. Dsl is affected by racial balance, end of discussion.

The timestamps are straight from Vadi's and if you would please let me know how to use timestamps, oh great one?

You need timestamps from the person DSLing, not the person being DSL'd. Otherwise, interference from latency is essentially doubled.

This, and your timestamps need to not collapse the 0s.

He didn't have timestamps at the time, hence this was the next best thing. To minimise issues he held down the enter key, and the fact that it's within .2 seconds despite it being from another point of view gives you a fairly accurate reading.

If by "remembered" you mean opened the text files with the information from when I tested with one race and compared them to the data I just got after I switched race then yes, I 'remembered' them.

More accurately, it would be said that I used inaccurate numbers with the accurate numbers he collected.

The only real inaccuracy is with it being third party, which Gorlasintan already told you how to compensate for.

This leads me to conclude that with the small random factor of balance regain with DSL is simply tilted more in the favour of fast balance regaining races than to the slow ones. The defence between the high end and low ends of the spectrum seems to be less noticable on DSL than other class skills.

Nothing at all is affected by racial balance. Racial balance is a lie meant for people to be like "Ooo fast AND A KITTY" and choose Rajamala. The same applies for stats, which, besides health/mana, are an utter lie and do not affect anything else in the game.

Stop making up numbers.

If you tested the balance speed difference between troll and satyr using the same speed weapons and found that there was no difference, your test was definitely not accurate.

I own a gem of transmutation, and did a lot of dps testing with different races.

the speed and damage sure as hell changed with each race.

This.

EDIT: Forgot the / in /b