Sometimes because of lag or a connection that goes down I'll come back and either be dead or have starbursted. Knowing what killed me during that network event would be great.

It would be nice if the system could send a msg to you stating:

At x time you died due to y.

Not that I think this is a horrid idea, because I don't, but it does seem a little unnecessary. When I die, I tend to get at least one tell asking me if I'm okay. I am assuming that your character has friends who care. Usually a simple TELL <personwholikesme> Hey, what killed me? will get me the answer I'm looking for.

Oh lord.

There's no way for the system to know you're disconnected though. Which means you'd have to get a message every time you died. Besides, you can always ask citymates/housemates, and if you're rogue, tough luck.

I've always found that to be somewhat amusing... "Hey, I noticed you were just rended limb from limb and was brutally killed by some weird thing... Are you okay?"

Wtf, why does no one love me. :<

Because you're no longer a penguin.

Xandeus spends 23 and 1/2 hours a day bashing in the Underworld. What makes you think he has friends who care if he loses another .001% of his 47482746148471847149148 experience?

We now get messages making sure we know we had credits transferred to us or that items decayed while we were away. It seems completely reasonable that we could get a message when we die, especially since a network disconnect would obscure this information from us.

The fact that this information is available from friends doesn't present a good reason why this shouldn't be implemented. That people transferred credits to you and that items decayed while you were gone both can be discovered by alternate means as well. The commonality between all these things is that they are helpful to have in a message because there is a high likelihood that you may have missed it for some reason.

Your comparison is invalid. Not everyone can see the two you mentioned. Anyone with deathsight can see your death.

Items decay messages and credits transfer messages are significantly more important than knowing what denizen killed me.

Also, you miss a very important thing here. You get those messages when you're away. There is no comparison to dying; you cannot die when you're away. If you die, the system doesn't know you're gone anyway, and you wouldn't have gotten any messages about credit transfers or decays either.

You do actually get msgs from credit transfers while logged in. This is an anti-scam measure.

EDIT: The only time the OP would have even a shred of a possibility of being considered potentially having the ability to be useful would be for deaths to other players, because of the whole cause thing. Even then, it's not really needed or all that helpful, and would just add to the messages that already clog the servers. Oh so they claim. ..)

You get credit transfer messages no matter what. I'm assuming it is to help recognize credit scammers using illusions that much easier.

You get decay messages if you're in realms, and a message if you're away.

Things already happen as you die like updating stat stats, experience, and whatnot. Why is it so scary to add "If config messagemydeath = "yes" ; message adventurer, You have died at x time to y.

I'm for it. Nearly every time I died at my old apartment it was to a disconnect. Would have been nice to know to what.

I'd argue that importance is relative. I rather think that decay messages are next to worthless, but perhaps they are very useful to others. By the same token, I'd consider it very beneficial if, upon coming back from a temporary network disconnect, I could check my message to see if and how I died while I was disconnected.

Probably whatever it was you were bashing, saith common sense.

If this were implemented, I would be assaulted by 20,000 messages in any given month. I die every time I go hunting.

You can die while you are away. If I unplug your internet connection while you are fighting, you'd probably die pretty quickly.

And if you get dc'd while fighting or bashing, it doesn't take a very large intuitive leap to figure out what killed you. Especially when another 200+ people saw it.

Perhaps a config death_message off could be added for those that are ultra message sensitive (as mentioned before).

Also, I never said that there was no other way of obtaining this information. You can, as you mentioned, ask others to tell you. The argument was that it would be nice feature to supply this information given it directly affects the individual, and they might not have seen it due to a temporary internet disruption. Also, given that you connection may go out for a long time, it may be difficult finding someone who remembers what killed you at that exact point in time. It could also help obviate the need to issue yourself to find out what killed you in certain corner situations.

I can argue that decay messages are unnecessary in the same way, since I should know what I have and I can easily scan my inventory when I get back to see what decayed while I was gone. The fact that we get decay messages sets precedent that game can supply us information (as a nice to have feature) that we could have otherwise gained by other more time intensive means.

Yes, but the server doesn't know you're away. The server doesn't have a clue if the cable is unplugged or a main switch at your ISP burst into flame; that's why timeouts are so important.

hence a nice little config setting, automatically set to 'No' upon character creation to reduce lag-inducing message piles.

Lana, I can't tell whether you are trolling or seriously can't understand the concept.

Take an example where you have a timeout set for 2 minutes (the shortest possible timeout) and your internet goes out. You come back some time later after the internet issue is resolved and see that you are a soul (ie you died in the 2 minute interval between when you were disconnected and when you logged out by timeout). Right now you'd need to ask around and hope someone saw it and remembered what happened so they could tell you about it. The purpose of this idea is that you should be able to configure an option so that when you get back and see that you are a soul, you can look at your messages to see what caused your death.

Now that I'm thinking about this a bit more, perhaps a death-log with a depth of about 5 would be more functional. This could be similar to organizational logs in that it only contains a certain amount of history, perhaps somewhere around the last 5 deaths or so. That way you could easily review your past deaths, but without the messages.

Perhaps something like this:

deathlog

At a time you died to f. (this being the oldest)
At b time you died to g.
At c time you died to h.
At d time you died to i.
At e time you died to j. (this being the most recent)

Which would mean that a message is sent every time you die, whether you're actually aware of it or not. Which is what I've said all along.

Lana, he wasn't saying that Achaea had to know your inetz was down, he was saying that a message would be nice when you die. Regardless.
Reading comprehension ftw.


Plus, 1 message everytime someone dies isn't that many. I'm not spammed with 238423894756239874562394875623498562349856 deathsights per hour that I'm logged in like some of you are insinuating. For most people it wouldn't even be that often. Even Amunet can just do RM;DM after she dies, so it shouldn't clog up the servers.


Neither Xandeus' message idea, nor the deathlog idea are bad. You're all just reaching for reasons to call it dumb/bad/useless.

Edit: It wouldn't be any worse (message-wise) than people who have whole conversations via messaging instead of tells, and then not deleting the messages.

Or if you were bashing afk and got disconnected and didn't have a clue what you died to.

In which case you deserve everything that happens.

Well then, I'll just be thankful that I don't bash afk. In which case you can stop with the ad hominems.

Imperian has a death log, a very public one actually that you can see onsite. Then again, you can also honours people on the Imperian website as well. But I don't really think it's that necessary, frankly the last thing I want is to be reminded of what I die to.

Well, in that case, we've basically said the exact same thing. Odd that he kept arguing his point in that case. Still, not too fond of the message being sent everytime you die, mostly because I can't see the purpose of it. If you don't know what you died to, ask around. If you don't have anyone to ask, well, tough luck. Being rogue has its drawbacks.

Just to clarify, I'm not for or against this. I was just making a comment on how everyone else was approaching their arguments.

This is the dumbest idea ever.

I can see it now.

I'm bashing and something kills me. You have received a message from Achaea.

rm

"It seems that you have died. LOL pwned."

I like this idea. I would also like for the message to tell you how much experience you lost, and if possible, how many hours of your life you just wasted.

I'm going to give this idea a trial run in manual form and tell you what kind of feed back I get. I will give progress reports in this topic:

Frozen with horror, Otha has been desiccated by an ominous lich.
6744h, 5638m, 32710e, 29217w cexkdb-I missed that altogether.
6744h, 5638m, 32720e, 29235w cexkdb-You cannot see that being here.
6744h, 5638m, 32720e, 29235w cexkdb-
You sent the following message to Otha:
You have just died to an ominous lich.

Otha would like you to know: The issue is being dealt with.
6744h, 5638m, 32720e, 29289w cexkdb-
You just received message #22428 from Otha.
6744h, 5638m, 32710e, 29295w cexkdb-Message #22428 Sent by Otha
9/15/23:38 Sad story.


You sent the following message to Laeh:
Just wanted to let you know that you died to a bear a few moments ago.

6744h, 5638m, 32690e, 29502w cexkdb-
You sent the following message to Legault:
Hi, I noticed that you died to the Imp Lord. Thought you might want to know.

Awesome.

Exain has been slain by the might of Shecks, Night Terror.
You sent the following message to Exain:
U GOT PWNED BY SHECKS. LOLOL.

You just received message #22429 from Exain.
6744h, 6138m, 32720e, 29179w cexkdb-Message #22429 Sent by Exain
9/15/23:45 Shut the - up you -.


Jhoran has been slain by the might of an alert deer.
6744h, 5638m, 32720e, 29264w cexkdb-
You sent the following message to Jhoran:
A deer killed you!

I laughed so hard XD

Otha has been slain by the might of Grand Master Bleak Fitheach.
6744h, 5994m, 32690e, 29562w cexkdb-
Mellisa tells you, "Haha."
6744h, 5994m, 32720e, 29580w cexkdb-
Mellisa tells you, "Will pass, thanks."
6744h, 5994m, 32720e, 29685w cexkdb-
(Market): Ragazzo says, "Credits for sale cheaper than all others."
6744h, 5994m, 32720e, 29678w cexkdb-You hold no "gold".
6744h, 5994m, 32720e, 29690w cexkdb-There is no next message to read.
6744h, 5994m, 32720e, 29690w cexkdb-
You sent the following message to Otha:
Bleak killed you!!

Otha would like you to know: The issue is being dealt with.

Exain has committed ritual suicide.
6744h, 6138m, 32720e, 29690w cexkdb-
You sent the following message to Exain:
You have just died to a ritual dagger!

Exain would like you to know: There is a law, more than three shakes, is
masturbation.
You just received message #22431 from Exain.
6744h, 6138m, 32720e, 29690w cexkdb-Message #22431 Sent by Exain
9/16/0:03 Heh.


Wattsee has been slain by the might of the Wyrm Lord.
6744h, 6138m, 32690e, 29660w cexkdb-
Kadyk has bled to death.
6744h, 6138m, 32720e, 29690w cexkdb-
You sent the following message to Wattsee:
You have just died to the Wyrm Lord!

6744h, 6138m, 32710e, 29678w cexkdb-
You sent the following message to Kadyk:
You've bled to death, son, get back up and fight!!

6744h, 6138m, 32720e, 29690w cexkdb-
You just received message #22432 from Wattsee.
6744h, 6138m, 32720e, 29690w cexkdb-Message #22432 Sent by Wattsee
9/16/0:05 *snicker* glad I wasn't disconnected.

Exain has been slain by the might of Shecks, Night Terror.
6744h, 6087m, 32720e, 29566w cexkdb-
You sent the following message to Exain:
Shecks killed you!!

Exain would like you to know: There is a law, more than three shakes, is
masturbation.

You sent the following message to Akia:
Bleak killed you!!

6744h, 5587m, 32720e, 29690w cexkdb-
You just received message #22433 from Akia.
6744h, 5587m, 32720e, 29690w cexkdb-Message #22433 Sent by Akia
9/16/0:11 I didn't realize deadeyes would give enough kai to choke the whole time.

What does she think apostates are doing during raids? Just deadeyesing their teammates for fun?

You sent the following message to Barock:
You have been slain by Varick's Rage.

6744h, 6137m, 32720e, 29690w cexkdb-You see no moss in your inventory.
6744h, 6137m, 32720e, 29690w cexkdb-A starburst tattoo fades from view and disappears.
6744h, 6137m, 32720e, 29690w cexkdb-You remove 1 kola nut, bringing the total in the Rift to 1996.
6744h, 6137m, 32720e, 29690w cexkdb-You eat a kola nut.
6744h, 6037m, 32720e, 29690w cexkdb-You take a drink from a black-walnut vial.
6744h, 6037m, 32720e, 29690w cexkdb-You take a drink from an ebony vial.
6744h, 6037m, 32720e, 29690w cexkdb-What is it that you wish to drink?
6744h, 6037m, 32720e, 29690w cexkdb-You remove 1 bayberry bark, bringing the total in the Rift to 1999.
6744h, 6037m, 32720e, 29690w cexkdb-You eat some bayberry bark.
The bayberry has no effect. You are already blind.
6744h, 6037m, 32720e, 29690w cexkdb-
You may eat another plant.
6744h, 6037m, 32720e, 29690w cexkdb-
You sent the following message to Fedor:
The Mhun Captain of the Guard just WIPPPOWEEED YO ASS.

Exain has chosen to snub you. See HELP SNUB.

You sent the following message to Kusaro:
Misadventure got the best of you this time, my friend.

Barock has been slain in The Maran La'Saen Memorial Arena by Sir Varick, Wielder of
Judgement.
6744h, 6138m, 32690e, 29660w cexkdb-
Otha has been slain by the might of Grand Master Bleak Fitheach.
6744h, 6138m, 32720e, 29690w cexkdb-
You sent the following message to Barock:
DOUBLE KILL.

6744h, 6138m, 32710e, 29678w cexkdb-You hold no "gold".
6744h, 6138m, 32710e, 29678w cexkdb-
You sent the following message to Otha:
Bleak killed you.

Otha would like you to know: The issue is being dealt with.

Message #22434 Sent by Otha
9/16/0:24 I'm terribad, I logged that for later. Nothing I can do against fitness
spammers.
Otha tells you, "Any backstab with kalmia was instant shield and fitness spam."

You sent the following message to Sidonia:
An Arcadian Archer killed you.

-Message #22435 Sent by Sidonia
9/16/0:30 Thanks, I was DCed and that is a really helpful service.


Can we get me on the payroll or something?

6744h, 6098m, 32720e, 29690w cexkdb-Precarious gangway.
A runic totem is planted solidly in the ground.
You see exits leading northwest and down.
6744h, 6098m, 32718e, 29690w cexkdb-There is no exit in that direction.
6744h, 6098m, 32718e, 29690w cexkdb-There is no exit in that direction.
6744h, 6098m, 32718e, 29690w cexkdb-There is no exit in that direction.
6744h, 6098m, 32718e, 29690w cexkdb-Observation platform.
A runic totem is planted solidly in the ground. Marching busily up and down, Lyssa,
the Treehouse Tyrant, is here. A sigil in the shape of a small, rectangular monolith
is on the ground.
You see exits leading southeast and southwest.
6744h, 6098m, 32716e, 29690w cexkdb-Lyssa, Tyrant of the Treehouse giggles happily.
You see Lyssa, Tyrant of the Treehouse yell, "Have a nice trip!"
6744h, 6098m, 32714e, 29690w cexkdb-
At the bottom of a dark chasm.
Filling the firmament is a lattice of heavy grey clouds.
There are no obvious exits.
An overwhelming force drags you downward into darkness. Despite all efforts to stay
aloft, you rapidly plummet to solid rock and feel every bone in your body shatter
upon impact.
You have been slain by a rapid plummet to the ground.
Your starburst tattoo flares as the world is momentarily tinted red.
6744h, 6138m, 32714e, 29690w ex-
You have been slain by a rapid plummet to the ground.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-There is no exit in that direction.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-There is no exit in that direction.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-You are dead and cannot do that.
0h, 0m, 32714e, 29690w ex-
You are dead, perhaps you should "Pray for Salvation".
0h, 0m, 32690e, 29660w ex-
Your life essence slowly drains away as you move closer and closer to oblivion.
Your mana drains away as you concentrate on maintaining a link with the living.
0h, 0m, 32720e, 29690w ex-
You just received message #22436 from Sidonia.
0h, 0m, 32720e, 29690w ex-Message #22436 Sent by Sidonia
9/16/0:34 You juts died to the Temple of Mischief.
0h, 0m, 32720e, 29690w ex-There is no next message to read.
0h, 0m, 32720e, 29690w ex-There is no exit in that direction.
0h, 0m, 32720e, 29690w ex-There is no exit in that direction.
0h, 0m, 32720e, 29690w ex-
You just received message #22437 from Sidonia.
0h, 0m, 32720e, 29690w ex-At the bottom of a dark chasm.
Filling the firmament is a lattice of heavy grey clouds. Cracked slate covers the
ground at the bottom of this chasm, littered with pieces of bone and dried blood.
Steep walls of the same jagged rock rise upward on every side, allowing no clear
exit. The twisted remains of Santar lie here.
There are no obvious exits.
0h, 0m, 32720e, 29690w ex-There is no exit in that direction.
0h, 0m, 32720e, 29690w ex-There is no exit in that direction.
0h, 0m, 32720e, 29690w ex-There is no exit in that direction.
0h, 0m, 32720e, 29690w ex-There is no exit in that direction.
0h, 0m, 32720e, 29690w ex-The soul of Santar (male Dragon)
You are level 101 (5th Heir to Ashaxei's Legacy) and 19.0% of the way to the next
level.
Health: 0/6744 Mana: 0/6138
Endurance: 32720/32720 Willpower: 29690/29690
Strength: 18 Dexterity: 14 Constitution: 20 Intelligence: 18
You are ranked 19th in Achaea.
You are one of the near-permanent Infamous.
You are a full member in the Serpent class.
You are a Sapient Explorer in the Fellowship of Explorers.
You are clan head of the clan called 'Combat Rankings.'
You are a member of the clan called 'Teh Green room.'
You are a member of the clan called 'Pimps & Bitches.'
You are clan head of the clan called 'TIOC.'
You are a member of the clan called 'The Warriors of Sapience.'
You are a member of the clan called 'The Parthren Gare.'
You are a member of the clan called 'The Green Room.'
You are Righteous.
You are able to take on proteges.
You are mentored by Portia.
You are 175 years old, having been born on the 14th of Daedalan, 343 years after the
fall of the Seleucarian Empire.
0h, 0m, 32720e, 29690w ex-
You just received message #22438 from Ylgor.
0h, 0m, 32720e, 29690w ex-
You just received message #22439 from Wattsee.
0h, 0m, 32720e, 29690w ex-You pray to the spirit of Deucalion for a fresh chance at life, and are reincarnated
into a rajamala.
4017h, 4926m, 19000e, 23600w ex-At the bottom of a dark chasm.
Filling the firmament is a lattice of heavy grey clouds. Cracked slate covers the
ground at the bottom of this chasm, littered with pieces of bone and dried blood.
Steep walls of the same jagged rock rise upward on every side, allowing no clear
exit.
There are no obvious exits.
4017h, 4926m, 19020e, 23618w ex-Message #22437 Sent by Sidonia
9/16/0:34 You just died to the Temple of Mischief.
4017h, 4926m, 19020e, 23618w ex-Message #22438 Sent by Ylgor
9/16/0:34 You fell down a hole.
4017h, 4926m, 19020e, 23618w ex-Message #22439 Sent by Wattsee
9/16/0:34 You have died to Pandora's Temple. Just in case you were DC'd.
4017h, 4926m, 19020e, 23618w ex-There is no next message to read.
4017h, 4926m, 19020e, 23618w ex-There is no next message to read.
4017h, 4926m, 19020e, 23618w ex-
You just received message #22440 from Ylgor.
4017h, 4926m, 19020e, 23618w ex-Message #22440 Sent by Ylgor
9/16/0:34 Twice.
4017h, 4926m, 19040e, 23618w ex-There is no next message to read.
4017h, 4926m, 19040e, 23630w ex-With a grimness born of determination, you begin to unleash the Dragon that is now so
much a part of the fabric of your soul. A Blue light begins to shine through from
within you.
4017h, 4926m, 19040e, 23630w -
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4017h, 4926m, 19060e, 23630w x-
You have recovered equilibrium.
4017h, 4926m, 19060e, 23630w ex-
The Blue light grows more intense, and with a gesture of utter submission to the
Dragon within, you throw your arms wide and your head back as you scream,
"Aaasshhaaaaaaaxxeeeeiiiiii!"
4017h, 4926m, 19060e, 23630w ex-
As a distant growl is heard, the Blue light coalesces about you...changing
you...deforming your being...becoming...Greater.
4017h, 4926m, 19080e, 23630w ex-
With an ear-splitting roar, you rear back your draconic head and scream out your
triumph.
6744h, 6138m, 32720e, 29690w ex-There is no map here to touch.
6744h, 6138m, 32720e, 29690w ex-Your great form grows still as you begin to pierce the Veil Extant.
6744h, 5638m, 32720e, 29590w x-
With a flap of your majestic blue wings, you successfully pierce the Veil, and are
gone.
Dragonspire Mount.
A ladder of long, soft leaves comprises a wispy Weaver's Fern along the ground. A
jewel-coloured dragonlet flutters here, darting gracefully through the air.
You see a single exit leading down.

Shrieks of laughter echo from the Temple of Mischief as Santar's body splatters
at the bottom of a deep chasm.
3681h, 2232m, 17305e, 10060w ex- (1:33:59:296)
Shrieks of laughter echo from the Temple of Mischief as Santar's body splatters
at the bottom of a deep chasm.
3681h, 2232m, 17305e, 10060w ex- (1:33:59:296)
msg Santar You fell down a hole
You sent the following message to Santar:
You fell down a hole.
3681h, 2232m, 17305e, 10060w ex- (1:34:22:634)
msg Santar twice
You sent the following message to Santar:
Twice.

You sent the following message to Senel:
You died to Lesaint!
Message #22441 Sent by Senel
9/16/0:38 And?

6744h, 6087m, 32720e, 29400w cexkdb-
Bleak has been slain by the might of a Colchian warrioress.
6744h, 6087m, 32720e, 29424w cexkdb-
You sent the following message to Bleak:
You died to a woman!

Bleak would like you to know: OE OE OEEEEREND HARD!!
6744h, 6087m, 32720e, 29460w cexkdb-
Artanis has been slain by the might of Shecks, Night Terror.
6744h, 6087m, 32720e, 29460w cexkdb-
You sent the following message to Bleak:
A WOMAN LOL.

Bleak would like you to know: OE OE OEEEEREND HARD!!
6744h, 6087m, 32720e, 29460w cexkdb-
You sent the following message to Artanis:
You died to Shecks!

Artanis would like you to know: From delusion lead me to Truth. From darkness lead me
to Light. From death lead me to eternal life.
6744h, 6087m, 32720e, 29478w cexkdb-
You just received message #22442 from Bleak.
6744h, 6087m, 32720e, 29502w cexkdb-Message #22442 Sent by Bleak
9/16/0:40 I do that all the time.

Funny side note: Today, Bleak was cocking off on Warriors about how I can't fight him solo (lol). So I went to NoT, aeonlocked, enlightened and beheaded him. Then my power went out for 8 hours, I came back and found out that it apparently took Bleak 10 minutes to burst me while I was linkdead. I'm not entirely opposed to the idea, honestly.

Unnecessary