What affects the strength of garrote? (bashing/PK)

1 Damage stat of the whip. (+lagua rune)
2 Racial CON (+jera and/or favour)
3 Racial STR (+jera and/or favour)
4 Skillrank in Subterfuge.
5 Skillrank in Weaponry.

What affects the damage delivered by backstab? (PK)

1 Damage stat of the dirk. (+lagua rune)
2 Racial CON (+jera and/or favour)
3 Racial STR (+jera and/or favour)
4 Skillrank in Subterfuge.
5 Skillrank in Weaponry.

Last I checked, garrote was damage+subterfuge rank+weaponry.

Backstab, I'm unsure of.

The only things I've found to affect garrote damage for pvp, other than afflictions, is the damage stat and skill in subterfuge. Max health of the target doesn't matter either.

I plan on testing backstab soon.


Weaponry doesn't increase the damage.

Are you sure that learning weaponry up to a high rank (or transing it) will makes garrote stronger? Asking it curiously because transing a skill may worth it when it is all about damage-maxing. (also transing a skill is not so hard)

Like I said, that was last I checked. My weaponry on rexi is only half-done-ish, so I can't compare mine to others so well.

It's worth it for Behead (and maybe shatter, if you're feeling ambitious) if nothing else.

Yes, and parry etc.

I look at parry as more of a necessity if you're doing anything combat wise, personally.. was just going off of the idea of getting skills beyond what's more or less 'needed'.

Ok, I will test backstab ingame with a 50 damage dirk and a 98 damage dirk runed up to 108. First without jera.

Damage Serpent ehh? Interesting.... out of curiosity, wouldn't silver fangs and Sumac be a better plan?

I don't know anything about combat but that's always what is sort of implies when I read anything about it

Exactly! Damage serpent.

If I'm not mistaken, Damage serpents will go for relapsing camus combined with illusions to make sure that scytherus is not cured.

Yep!

Backstab, if I recall, is based on target health, weapon damage, and strength.

Nah. Damage serpents don't know how to stick scytherus.

Damage serpent combat = meteor, meteor, meteor, Lupine bow snipe x 3 or camus, camus, camus, camus (see: Shecks). You can add in silly things like gem of negation to increase effectiveness! (Bstab/Garrote sucks 1v1)

Backstab is awesome to have a group of 5 phased serpents take one person out in the middle of his own city, split, rephase and gtfo.

I want to do this. I don't care who we stab, I just want to do this.

I remember 8 of us doing that to Arabi back when I was a wee Serpentlord with Deridius, Katia, Grok, and a few others. Good times

I tried to talk someone in to going serpent so we could doublebackstab with prefarar then garrote, but I don't think it worked.

You have to be very coordinated. Very very coordinated.

...or trigger the leader saying, "Stabbing <person>!" right before they start the backstab, and you backstab off the trigger. Yay cheating!

If you trigger it you get to enjoy a firery eternity burning in the dank, dark pits of hell.

Yes, but I will have pulled off my backstab combo. I will burn happily.

Or you can just coordinate it like normal people who don't use attack triggers.

It's not hard to coordinate at all. The leader just needs to announce it, and as long as everyone else starts their backstab in the next two seconds or so, they'll be fine and hit before the stun wears off from the first one. Stunning attacks give you a whole lot of leeway; this is why enfeeble/catharsis works so well.

I remember getting killed from full health of around 3k by a super buffed backstab/garrote combo.

Woot.

I tried some out in troll with my bashing whips.

It is a one-handed weapon.
Damage: 66 To-hit: 145 Speed: 180
An iron-tipped whip has no venoms or magical effects on it.
5472h, 3242m, 23775e, 12300w exdb-
You slip behind yourself and garrote yourself with your whip.
4730h, 3242m, 23762e, 12300w edb-


It is a one-handed weapon.
Damage: 102 To-hit: 145 Speed: 148
An iron-tipped whip has no venoms or magical effects on it.
5472h, 3242m, 23775e, 12300w exdb-
You slip behind yourself and garrote yourself with your whip.
4470h, 3242m, 23755e, 12300w edb-

Trans fitness, weaponry, subterfuge, no scales.

Edit: I gave away a lot information I decided to make house only, nothing to see here.

Edit/Edit: If you are going to try garrote damage, get them prone or paralyzed first.

Ok, I gave away an information. Garrote become stronger and stronger as you reach higher skillranks in subterfuge. Unfortunately after mythical the garrote will remain the same. So transing subterfuge is not needed if you are a bashing-only serpent.

One day I will find out how does high skillrank in weaponry affect the strength of garrote.

I'd argue that phasing is useful for bashing. Very useful.

Weaponry does not affect garrote damage.

Drink more aconite, keel more harderer.

Garrote is a Subterfuge ability and therefore does not utilize the 'generic' weapon commands that Weaponry augments, ie Whip, Bash, Crush, Slash, Hack, Jab, Swing.

Garrote damage, to-hit will increase with respect to its relevant Skill Level (Subterfuge).

I hear absinthe and darkbrew raises garrote effectiveness.

Raiding Mhaldor drunk that one time was amazingly fun.

I've heard that gleam may raise dexterity or constitution.