armgrim
Aug 4 2009, 02:45 AM
Razeslash works on denizens shields, Truestare/truecurse should work through them as well as any other skill that does said ability.
Tael
Aug 4 2009, 03:05 AM
Fine with abilities that strip shields working on denizens. Abilities that go through them should not. We really don't need to make shaman bashing even FASTER. Also, don't apostates bash with decay (making truestare pointless for denizens)?
Also also, this idea has been suggested before. It's a bad idea and will probably (hopefully) never happen.
Rynn
Aug 4 2009, 03:06 AM
No. I'm a monk. I'm not biased.
Saadya
Aug 4 2009, 03:06 AM
Bashing =/= PK. Those are two completely different categories. It would make bashing too much easier.
armgrim
Aug 4 2009, 03:23 AM
To me it is just an issue of fairness, and speed is exchanged for squishiness.
Yes deadeyes bleed bleed does small damage but it crits and is fast.
-Carabella I tell young shamans to embrace their squishiness.
Wise words!
Tael
Aug 4 2009, 03:35 AM
I spent a considerable amount of time bashing as a shaman. They do not need any buffs to bashing. They are squishy, but a swiftcursing raja can deal a truly stupendous amount of damage in a couple of seconds and can, at essentially any time, leave the room to heal. On a lot of things, I could walk in, hit three or four times, and then leave and only get hit once. The fact that they can't tank is irrelevant given that they can run so incredibly easily. Pretty much the ONLY thing that slows you down is shielding as you have to tank a single hit for them to lose their shield.
And how on earth does this have ANYTHING to do with fairness? You want to make things fairer by making one of the best bashing classes even better?
Finally: Again, this has already been suggested repeatedly and denied.
Jonathin
Aug 4 2009, 04:18 AM
This is just a bad idea. Sorry Army. I say no, get a hammer tattoo.
Shars
Aug 4 2009, 09:07 AM
I thought hammer tattoos didn't work on denizens? Or not on all of them?
Aliath
Aug 4 2009, 09:19 AM
QUOTE (Shars @ Aug 4 2009, 10:07 AM)

I thought hammer tattoos didn't work on denizens? Or not on all of them?
Hammer tattoos works.
Danith
Aug 4 2009, 06:32 PM
Armgrim: Stripping a shield is not the same as acting through it. If you can't see the error in your thinking, there's not a lot we can do to change that for you.
salaz
Aug 4 2009, 06:40 PM
QUOTE (Tael @ Aug 4 2009, 03:35 AM)

And how on earth does this have ANYTHING to do with fairness? You want to make things fairer by making one of the best bashing classes even better?
One of the best? Shamans?
Ashen
Aug 4 2009, 07:11 PM
Why are we still talking about this?
armgrim
Aug 4 2009, 07:13 PM
The ability says one thing and it should do it. All I am saying.
Gorlasintan
Aug 4 2009, 07:14 PM
It does exactly what it says it does. True(?:stare|curse) allow you to evileye/curse a player regardless of shield.
Tsara
Aug 4 2009, 07:24 PM
I never knew shamans could bash well.
Santar
Aug 4 2009, 07:43 PM
Shaman is the fastest bashing other than Dragon and Monk.
armgrim
Aug 4 2009, 07:59 PM
QUOTE (Tael @ Aug 4 2009, 03:35 AM)

I spent a considerable amount of time bashing as a shaman. They do not need any buffs to bashing. They are squishy, but a swiftcursing raja can deal a truly stupendous amount of damage in a couple of seconds and can, at essentially any time, leave the room to heal. On a lot of things, I could walk in, hit three or four times, and then leave and only get hit once. The fact that they can't tank is irrelevant given that they can run so incredibly easily. Pretty much the ONLY thing that slows you down is shielding as you have to tank a single hit for them to lose their shield.
And how on earth does this have ANYTHING to do with fairness? You want to make things fairer by making one of the best bashing classes even better?
Finally: Again, this has already been suggested repeatedly and denied.
Sure you are fine using swiftcurse until a denizen tracks you. Because theirs no high end stuff that can track. And kill a squishy rajamala. All I know is I never see shamans bashing aside from one and I never saw her bashing anything that could track and as far as I know shes is all determination and ingenuity.
Mishgul
Aug 4 2009, 08:12 PM
I've seen several shamans bash to Dragon. There was that Ashtani one recently, and Mindshell did it pretty quick. Shaman bashing is pretty fun at high levels especially with recent buff. Swiftcurse + crits is nothing like sex but it's still pretty good.
shalishaska
Aug 4 2009, 08:45 PM
QUOTE (Mishgul @ Aug 4 2009, 02:12 PM)

Swiftcurse + crits is nothing like sex but it's still pretty good.

@OP: They're called hammer tattoos.
Tael
Aug 4 2009, 10:11 PM
QUOTE (salaz @ Aug 4 2009, 11:40 AM)

One of the best? Shamans?

Are you a shaman? Have you bashed as one? Were you actually any good at it?
QUOTE (Santar @ Aug 4 2009, 12:43 PM)

Shaman is the fastest bashing other than Dragon and Monk.
They are godly at least at lower levels.
Santar
Aug 4 2009, 10:32 PM
Shaman rocked at level 94-95 when I was bashing with it, too.
I was gaining xp so fast using swiftcurse to bash stuff like the graveyard.
Ashen
Aug 4 2009, 11:00 PM
QUOTE (Ashen @ Aug 4 2009, 01:11 PM)

Why are we still talking about this?
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