Ok, I'm enjoying runes and bashing on my shaman but the pk is well sad and squishy and I'm thinking of switching to grook magi people who have played both, which do you guys recommend? Should I change the class because I hear grook tri-trans with diamond skin and storm hammer is actually very good bashing and magi pk is also good.



((Not to mention I am getting tired of spending money on inks that could be spent else where))

Sure. Sounds like a sound switch to me, for what you're asking for. As long as you don't mind the type of combat they do. I don't like it much, but you might.

Nice part about Magi, if you want combat and hunting, you can dual trans and save the credits you would have spent on enchantment for something to aide both, like a SoA or aldar diadem.

If you do decide to get into enchanting though, just expect a bit of a start up cost to have a small reserve of comms, unless you like running around like mad searching for comms every time you get an order.

Hope it works out for you, if you do decide to switch.

Wattsee is there anything in enchanting that can help in combat/bashing? Anything useful that is?

The only thing that you can't buy is a necklace of purity. But, with good curing, the ratio of credits/usefulness makes that item virtually useless.

Necklace of purity would be the only thing, but it's a trans skill, so you'd be dropping several hundred credits to get random passive curing.

Plus, with Bloodboil you should never have a problem curing anything that will kill you. If you're really itching to burn some credits though, go for survival. Focus and Restore are nice for getting yourself out of jams.

I would likely suggest a SoA, sip ring, or Constitution artie. Because while grooks hit hard, they don't have a lot of health to play with when they get hit. Increases your chances of survival will increase your chances to do well.

without arties magi are very bad at PK. They are good at bashing though. Tsol'aa is better than grook unless you are artied.

Thanks everyone

Grook magi can flood and get level 1 health regen in any room also.

Magi isn't bad, a bit linear.. Grook if you're feeling dangerous, Tsol'aa if you're just going to hunt and take it easy.

Hard to say, I still had to reflect now and then against Mhun Keepers at level 98, and that was with SoA, Diadem, and Con icon, mind you I almost never had runes, blessings or favours, so explains it somewhat.

For purely hunting though, magi is pretty good, low upkeep since you only have to buy herbs and vials, and only have to trans one skill really, albeit Harmony and Adduction in Crystalism is quite handy for hunting, use staff when hunting however, not hammer, hammer only have its uses if you are dealing with three targets, and then you have to be careful since you are off balance.

I am not the best person to talk about magi PK with, however don't expect to kill anyone with pure elementalism, even with artifacts, also it is to easy really to avoid vibes. Your opponent may not be able to kill you, but you cannot kill them either. I suspect magi is probably currently the easiest class to run away from.

Only really have two 'tricks' to kill people with... Retardation which kills your vibes, and affect you as well, or Hellfumes which hit everyone but you.

Ok, I already own a SoA and I'm more intersted in bashing currently then PK. I'm sensing that I should go for the Tsoll'a instead of Grook? That would be better and the 17 15 intel? About how much does that actually effect in terms of damage and mana?

Rajamala Shaman bashing is pretty decent, to be honest. Not incredibly damage-resistant, but with a really good set of armor and a SoA, you'd probably be fine in that regard. Hit-and-run is really easy considering you never have to wait more than a second to leave the room. If all you're concerned about is bashing, I'd suggest Tsol'aa Mage. If you're looking to involve yourself in fighting at some point down the line, you'd probably want to spend the credits on a reincarnation to Rajamala and a sip ring. I don't really have problems with damage unless it's from a competent Monk (one that doesn't just swk break, axekick) or someone like Rangor/Goryllin, and even there I can stay alive for a decent period of time if I'm careful and don't hit any lag at all.

I saw a shaman, that started off as grook shaman and went to raja get to level 70's and above in no time at all. and he was completely new to Achaea.

Shaman isn't that bad if you work with it, unfortunately you do end up spending all your gold on inks.

he also put next to nothing into curses, and most of it in runelore

Wasn't there a 38 year old who bashed to Dragon as shaman recently from Ashtan?

Mhun Shaman is ridiculous at combat, what are you talking about?

o_O

Honestly, for PK purposes, you're better off as a mhun shaman. A magi really only gets good at PK when they have con arties, int arties, and a collar. Do you use swiftcurse while hunting as a shaman? I realize this is a heavy WP drain, but you can usually get through quite a bit before having to regen WP, and there are generally plenty of forestals around that will be willing to rain for you (which means you only have to spend 5 minutes regenning WP). I was able to kill Mhunna as a mhun Shaman around level 60, just because I could swiftcurse, run in, curse x5, then run out and only have been hit once or twice.

as raja shaman, you can curse x6 . 7 with a good connection.

artied shamans are scary

Ok, I've decided to stay mhun shaman, and going hunting last night and earning about 10k gold in about a hour is good enough reason to stay shaman.

That being said who can I contact in game for spars I want to get better at shaman combat, I'll pay entry fee in delos just shoot me a message or something we'll work something out.

If you're interested in speaking about Shaman combat, contact me in-game. I haven't fully explored the class, but I'm better than most.

If you want to become a -good- Shaman, join the Occultist House and I'll help you out in game .

Can i not, and lets say i did and have you help me anywas?

Shaman hunting rocks.

haha, I'm picking some things under Chima and I can't join the Occultist House, Horuce hates Babel, sorry

The only person who knows what they are talking about in this thread is Manifest. If you have the $$ to drop on arties, do it and go grook magi. You don't need con arties, by the way. Just collar, diadem, sash, SoA. Logosian ring helps a ton too.

OMG, I'm unbanned!

I don't know what I'm talking about eh?

NO ONE DOES!!!1!!1

kidding.

go troll monk

I ran - as Rajamala Shaman. SoA + Runes = Ridiculous tanking. As Mhun I would have never died to damage.

My curing sucked too bad to not have Fitness. Not having Fitness freaks me out.

Spire, if i can code a curing system that gets out of vlocks, you can.