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Acarion
Is it possible to RP an atheist in Achaea? Thoughts?
Gorlasintan
No.
Trevize
Yes. You can devoutly spout that you don't believe Gods exist. Just be prepared for the consequences!
flair
I think it's been tried before, but as far as I know it's always failed. I mean it's hard to disbelieve when they might appear right in front of you.
Saadya
After you've seen for yourself that gods really do exist, yes, you can choose not to believe in their existence.

Besides, religion =/= god(s)
katia
QUOTE (Acarion @ Jul 20 2009, 03:17 AM) *
Is it possible to RP an atheist in Achaea? Thoughts?



It's kind of hard to disbelive in gods in achaea.
What happens the first time you die for example? Do you refuse to pray for salvation?
What happens when you hear the gods having a slanging match in shouts?
What happens when one of them appears infront of you and smacks you upside the head for not believing in them?
Quoren
As a certain someone once said, gods rather like atheists. They give them something at which to aim.
Manny
QUOTE (Quoren @ Jul 19 2009, 11:01 PM) *
As a certain someone once said, gods rather like atheists. They give them something at which to aim.


"Target acquired. Throw lightning at will." "Which one's Will?"
Soulfyriani
I remember a novice a ways back that used to stand at NoT and give sermons on how there was only one God, Christ, et cetera. It looked to me like a Bible-thumper somehow found his way into the game and was horrified, or something. He was spouting Bible verses, and all, saying that we'd go to Hell for worshipping false gods.
Eurulis
In a world where people can shoot fire and lightning from their fingers, people bond with the animal spirits, summon demons to do their bidding, and many, many other extraordinary things, how could the thought that gods are there as well be so hard to believe? In short, in Achaea, Gods (sometimes) walk among men.
Soludra
QUOTE (Soulfyriani @ Jul 19 2009, 09:25 PM) *
It looked to me like a Bible-thumper somehow found his way into the game and was horrified, or something. He was spouting Bible verses, and all, saying that we'd go to Hell for worshipping false gods.

http://forums.achaea.com/index.php?showtopic=31380

I am so glad this thread didn't get lost to time. happy.gif

EDIT: Okay, I realize that with every edit this post gets further off topic, but it is still about religion in Achaea... sort of? Find post #253 by Gildenlow and listen to his interpretation as you read the first post. laugh.gif


EDIT 2: Oh right, I remember what I wanted to say. Theoretically you could roleplay as someone who believed the gods are nothing more than higher beings (something akin to the Elemental Lords) - use the "sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" line of thought if you like. However, as other posters have said, beware the consequences.
Laorir
QUOTE (Acarion @ Jul 19 2009, 10:17 PM) *
Is it possible to RP an atheist in Achaea? Thoughts?

Some interesting RP might be to worship in the Vertani religion rather than the worship the achaean dieties. I believe they worshipped "The All" or something along those lines.

If you're really deadset on being an athiest, you might just say something along the lines that they aren't divine, only just a far more powerful race that they appear divine to us. Is there really a difference though? I suppose that's up to you to decide. Even though you will rightly be scorned ICly, be prepared for a lot of ooc insults as well as people will just call you stupid for going this route.
Mathonwy
QUOTE (Laorir @ Jul 20 2009, 09:21 AM) *
QUOTE (Acarion @ Jul 19 2009, 10:17 PM) *
Is it possible to RP an atheist in Achaea? Thoughts?

Some interesting RP might be to worship in the Vertani religion rather than the worship the achaean dieties. I believe they worshipped "The All" or something along those lines.

If you're really deadset on being an athiest, you might just say something along the lines that they aren't divine, only just a far more powerful race that they appear divine to us. Is there really a difference though? I suppose that's up to you to decide. Even though you will rightly be scorned ICly, be prepared for a lot of ooc insults as well as people will just call you stupid for going this route.


I think once you made it clear to the admin. that you weren't trying to loltroll the game, it could definitely be intriguing RP.

I don't think the game is necessarily set up to reward that kind of intriguing RP, though.
Worlo
I think it is possible to roleplay that you are an atheist in the sense that you do not believe in religiously following any god. Not believing that powerful immortal beings exists is a bit hard when they shout for all in achaea to hear.
Shars
QUOTE (Worlo @ Jul 20 2009, 04:30 PM) *
I think it is possible to roleplay that you are an atheist in the sense that you do not believe in religiously following any god. Not believing that powerful immortal beings exists is a bit hard when they shout for all in achaea to hear.


Lots of players aren't following a god. Most new people start that way, not knowing about shrines and divines, and staying that way seems more common than joining an order.

Also, the divine are patrons to houses and cities, being an atheist could create conflict. Would an atheist be a rogue?
Minosha
QUOTE (Saadya @ Jul 19 2009, 10:32 PM) *
Besides, religion =/= god(s)


What DOES it equal, then?
Mishgul
Religion is the human way of acknowledging god IMO, and a way of keeping people organised. It's also a deadly weapon, and a great diplomatic tool, though it shouldn't be.
Saadya
You'll get this thread closed.
Vasool
Religion is mankind's attempt to reach their god. This doesn't require said god exists, or even takes notice or interacts back. Religion is man's attempt to reach god, not god's interactions with man.
Acarion
Yeah, I was kind of thinking along the lines of Soludra. I guess it depends how you define a god. It could just be that what we our characters call gods are individuals no different than your character or mine who have attained "god-like" power. I mean I think the fact that there are individuals who have ascended to the status of "godhood" supports this idea. By this logic, couldn't one find someone who's reached Dragon and worship him/her as a demigod?
Semla
The answer is yes they could. Now whether that particualar dragon wants to be worshipped in said way or whether the gods would like that is another question altogether. Who knows the god's may not care. The dragon may not want it.. or may go cool a worshipper!! Do my bidding peon. You never know till you try
Trevize
QUOTE (Acarion @ Jul 20 2009, 06:51 PM) *
Yeah, I was kind of thinking along the lines of Soludra. I guess it depends how you define a god. It could just be that what we our characters call gods are individuals no different than your character or mine who have attained "god-like" power. I mean I think the fact that there are individuals who have ascended to the status of "godhood" supports this idea. By this logic, couldn't one find someone who's reached Dragon and worship him/her as a demigod?

Yes, they are individuals who have more power. It is a very specific power though, and cannot be attained normally. It's called 'Divine Essence' and is only given by (or taken from, in at least one case) another Divine. By having Divine Essence though, they become much more than what they were - to the point to where who they were previously (if they were mortal) is just a small part of what they are now.
Ewell
QUOTE (Soludra @ Jul 20 2009, 02:12 AM) *
QUOTE (Soulfyriani @ Jul 19 2009, 09:25 PM) *
It looked to me like a Bible-thumper somehow found his way into the game and was horrified, or something. He was spouting Bible verses, and all, saying that we'd go to Hell for worshipping false gods.

http://forums.achaea.com/index.php?showtopic=31380

I am so glad this thread didn't get lost to time. happy.gif

EDIT: Okay, I realize that with every edit this post gets further off topic, but it is still about religion in Achaea... sort of? Find post #253 by Gildenlow and listen to his interpretation as you read the first post. laugh.gif


EDIT 2: Oh right, I remember what I wanted to say. Theoretically you could roleplay as someone who believed the gods are nothing more than higher beings (something akin to the Elemental Lords) - use the "sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" line of thought if you like. However, as other posters have said, beware the consequences.


Lmao. I read that whole thread. Beautious.
Horatio
QUOTE (Worlo @ Jul 20 2009, 10:30 AM) *
I think it is possible to roleplay that you are an atheist in the sense that you do not believe in religiously following any god. Not believing that powerful immortal beings exists is a bit hard when they shout for all in achaea to hear.


Emphasis mine. That wouldn't be atheism then, though that's not for this thread.

My feelings about RPing an atheist are the same as RPing a character that follows a god that doesn't exist.
Boz
So, that thread with Charlotte C or whatever..that was epic. We need more of that here.
Trendor
No we don't.
Boz
QUOTE (Trendor @ Jul 22 2009, 02:00 PM) *
No we don't.


-. Foiled again.

EDIT: ...I misspelled "foiled"
Trendor
biggrin.gif
Rivaen
QUOTE (Boz @ Jul 22 2009, 01:42 PM) *
QUOTE (Trendor @ Jul 22 2009, 02:00 PM) *
No we don't.


-. Foiled again.

EDIT: ...I misspelled "foiled"


I saw what you did there.
Gorlasintan
(x^3+3x)(x^2-6)

x^5 - 6x^3 + 3x^3 - 18x

x^5 - 3x^3 - 18x

Foiled.
Rivaen
QUOTE (Gorlasintan @ Jul 22 2009, 02:11 PM) *
(x^3+3x)(x^2-6)

x^5 - 6x^3 + 3x^3 - 18x

x^5 - 3x^3 - 18x

Foiled.


You make me sad.
Penquin
QUOTE (Gorlasintan @ Jul 22 2009, 03:11 PM) *
(x^3+3x)(x^2-6)

x^5 - 6x^3 + 3x^3 - 18x

x^5 - 3x^3 - 18x

Foiled.


Ur doin it wrong.
Mishgul
QUOTE (Gorlasintan @ Jul 22 2009, 08:11 PM) *
(x^3+3x)(x^2-6)

x^5 - 6x^3 + 3x^3 - 18x

x^5 - 3x^3 - 18x

Foiled.


Those random instances of symbols and numbers have no meaning.
Gorlasintan
QUOTE (Mishgul @ Jul 22 2009, 03:29 PM) *
QUOTE (Gorlasintan @ Jul 22 2009, 08:11 PM) *
(x^3+3x)(x^2-6)

x^5 - 6x^3 + 3x^3 - 18x

x^5 - 3x^3 - 18x

Foiled.


Those equations have no meaning.

Those are expressions.
Mishgul
They express nothing.
Gorlasintan
The expressions are not meant to have meaning. They merely demonstrate the process of foiling.
Dontarion
QUOTE (Gorlasintan @ Jul 22 2009, 03:31 PM) *
The expressions are not meant to have meaning. They merely demonstrate the process of foiling.

laugh.gif I hadn't heard the term FOIL since the 7th grade.
Mysterion
QUOTE (Dontarion @ Jul 22 2009, 04:52 PM) *
QUOTE (Gorlasintan @ Jul 22 2009, 03:31 PM) *
The expressions are not meant to have meaning. They merely demonstrate the process of foiling.

laugh.gif I hadn't heard the term FOIL since the 7th grade.

OMG. I didn't get it until you said 7th Grade. I'm going to go, you know, play in traffic. In dark colors.
Mishgul
Your american mathematics is odd
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