A whip of taming is unsuited for the purpose of garroting. Try another.

That is correct.

Big nerf.

Doesn't that defeat the purpose of buying an artefact whip in the first place. What else are they used for?

Been broken since yesterday. And Tecton hasn't been answering any bugs about it No announce either. Refund time!

There will be an announce.

wat

Nothing. Whip of taming was one of the best hunting weapons in game because of the insane speed. Apparently being able to garrote with it has been a long standing bug because it undermined the sale of normal artefact whips.

So no more garroting with it? Damn. Well, guess I'll stick with forged whips. That's the only reason I considered getting one. Also, what about everyone who bought one just for that? Refunds? Option to trade in for one of the other artefact whips?

Oh well. Less credits for me to buy.

Makes sense, heh. It is insanely fast. Not even my old 90 damage/180 speed whip could compare to it.

Wouldn't this make them pretty useless now? I don't know how effective the peace affliction is. I thought it was rather easily cured.

I guess the speed would still be useful for flay, but is that much speed really necessary for the ability?

I've never had one. So, haven't had the chance to see it for myself.

I'd imagine that's why it's so cheap. Though... I never tested, does speed affect flay? If so, does the whip of taming still flay?

It does still flay although Im not sure it really speeds that up.

Yes, it still flays. You can also envenom the whip and be like an apostate. Paralyse/Peace with 235 speed whip ftl

Awesome.

It never underminded the sale of normal artifact whips, they suck to bad to be considered anyways, and besides who uses garrote in PK anymore anyways?

The same could be said of all forged weapons. I don't think it has anything to do with artefact whip sales. They seem to be going through and fixing lots of small bugs lately, and I agree that this was one of them. I've commented on it quite a few times, how odd it was for such an insanely good artefact to be so cheap, considering how the rest of artefacts weapons are stat-wise.

They keep fixing little things that were actually kind of neat... like being able to appraise yourself, being able to "falcon circle" while indoors (you can still drop the bird inside, walk outside, and then have it circle over the building), being able to do "ih" while blind. It's kind of irritating, actually...

I was wondering why I couldn't appraise myself anymore.

People do that?

no you can't, if it's envenomed it doesn't hit with peace.

So basically, it's useless far as combat goes then?

lol

I seriously hope everyone gets a full refund for it as it's completely useless now.

It's not useless. But I wouldn't pay for it.

And I think, they really should offer everyone that has one right now a chance to trade it in for a "whip of speed" artie which has the same stats but doesn't hit with peace and can be used to garrote.

They wouldn't do that. It was a -bug- that got -fixed-. People who bought the whip were exploiting a bug and knew it. They took their chances.

It wasn't a bug, or at least Clementius didn't think so, I've talked to him about it on more than one occasion.

It wasn't exploiting a bug, I asked carefully and repeatedly before buying it that it was correct, that it was able to be used to garrote and such.
It is the only thing that makes bashing as a serpent worth it.

Because Clementius saw what was good for the game..and maya is running it into the ground...fire maya, re-hire jay, (give him a pay raise if need be) and achaea could start to be a fun game again

ANNOUNCE NEWS #3023
Date: 7/13/2009 at 1:37
From: Maya, the Great Mother
To : Everyone
Subj: Whips of Taming

A bug with Whips of Taming was recently corrected. Whips of Taming are
artefacts sold for one purpose: to deliver the pacifism affliction.((To be a complete waste of credits thank you)
However, for effective delivery of this affliction, they have a speed of
225. This is much higher than the speed of the level 3 artefact whip,
which has a speed of 180, and the Whip of Taming is priced 1000 credits
cheaper to boot. That meant people were buying them to use for sped-up
garroting, which is NOT the purpose of the Whip of Taming. I'm sure it
was nice while it lasted, but no more, I'm afraid. Whips of Taming may
no longer be used for garroting at all.

With our apologies to those who believed this to be a feature and not a
bug, we will give a full 100% credit refund to those who purchased Whips
of Taming before this fix for the purpose of garroting. Please email
artefacts@achaea.com if you would like to take advantage of this.

Penned by My hand on the 2nd of Phaestian, in the year 513 AF.

Seeing as forged whips are easy to get over speed of 180, I'm really not sure why anyone would ever, ever buy an artifact whip. They're a stupid waste of credits.
Sort out the artifact weapons to make them worth buying, or stop nerfing the ones that are actually worth buying.
I shall expect my refund as soon as the email is recieved, thanks.

Oh, and if they're bound credits, expect me to turn on my amazing powers of complaining, thanks.

Maybe forgers will now start making good whips and not just bloody rapiers.

When the whip stats were made no one -ever- bashed with garrote because camus did something crazy like 15% of denizen health no matter how high it was, so the whip stats are really only designed for pk, (high tohit because garrote tohit sucks).

I think they should add a new whip, so serpents could choose like knights can choose between rapiers and battleaxes.

Something like:

Bullwhips:
Tomaculan bullwhip: 60 164 203 300 Credits
Crystalline bullwhip: 65 174 214 700 Credits
Aeon's bullwhip: 70 181 225 1400 Credit

And add bullwhip to forging.

Serpents would have to learn a new prof though, but can choose speed for lower damage and tohit.

Or they could have just left it alone.
No one seriously used a WoT for pk, the damage is pants, they were almost universally used as bashing weapons, or 'crap i'm being raided' weapons.
Did anyone buy a WoT for the rubbish affliction it gave?
Or, like the SoA, was it used to make bashing less of a grind and less slow?
How many serpent dragons are out there? How many of them made it to dragon as serpents? As bashers, we need all the help we can get.

Here's the thing though.. how many people who are trading in their WoTs, (myself included) are going to buy one of the other artifact whips?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say.. not many, if any. The only real reason to buy one of them is to have a whip that doesn't decay at a bad time, like the dragonskin quivers and packs.
And business wise it was a stab in the foot, because it may only have been 400 credits, but it was better than the nothing they would get for the better quality forged whips that people otherwise choose.
I shall have to poke my various forgers now for a whip, as will most other serpents, they'll appreciate the business anyway.

Whip of taming speed doesn't even affect the speed of flaying, does it?

nope

Useless.

Now nerf veils.

It's make me kind of wonder if they aren't trying to make income bad for them. I mean come on. They haven't made the best decisions as of late, not to me anyway.

Hands up who ever complained about the Whips?
How many million threads were made bemoaning this artifact?
How many people demanding it was nerfed?
There seems to be far more unbalanced and unfair artis out there that could have been sorted out.

Like veils.

This was an unintended bug. It was fixed. You bitched and got your credits back. Deal with it.

And the part about it being a bug. What? I've never heard of such crap. Hell, that was the only reason any serpent ever bought the damned thing.

And completely agree with Katia. I'm willing to wager the reason it was never griped about because it was never(if at all) used for combat. It was strictly bought as a bashing artie for serpents. Hell, that's the only reason I was ever told to buy one or heard anyone else buying one in my 3+ years of playing.


Edit: Bug my ass.

How is it a bug?
I've had this whip for years. I've talked to divine about it, other people have checked it's correct. If it was a bug, removing it's ability to garrote seems like an easy fix that they would have done years ago.
It's not as if anyone's been hiding the reason they bought one.

I know I was spewing when they nerfed the ability to prism to oneself. That was fun, and for brief periods I was the fastest marathon runner in Sapience!

Two years ago this thread would be 20 pages long and have 50x the amount of delicious serpent tears.

To be fair, this isn't the first time we've heard "It's not a bug, it's working as intended, ignore the small insignificant man behind the curtain." right before something is declared a bug, removed, nerfed, boosted, or otherwise "fixed" despite having existed and been pointedly remarked upon for years.

Thank you. Thank you so much. Now I won't be able to read any announce posts without picturing that scene in my head. I hope you're happy!

Not even 4 minutes before someone catches the reference?

Just thought of something else I've always been curious about. Artifact Dirk stats. For the longest time, the level 2 Dirk had better stats than the level 3 Dirk, but I see that's been fixed now. However, have you ever looked at those stats?

Thoth's Fang
Dmg: 121; To-hit: 204 Spd: 271

I've always wondered how fast single jabs with a 271 speed Dirk would be...

They are fast as hell but hit as if you didn't have a prof in the weapon, even if you do.

aaand, all of the totems just disappeared off my boat, and you can't totem boats at all.

Oh yea, boats are not connected to the earth, therefore they do not support the earth magic necessary to power totems.

Please file all complains with the seagod (this is obviously his fault that his realm does not power totems)

I'm wondering, why disable garrote completely and not simply adjust the garrote speed of the whip of taming?

Edit: hint hint