I'm an idiot, as you all know. Still looking through the Historys on the main page, trying to find info on Shamans, all I know is what I got from the Archives though, which is that little bit on Firefox Sly when they founded the guild. Is that really all there is?
(Don't have a character so I can't FOIG(Find Out In Game) it all)
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It should be noted that the Shamans were a relatively weak class until a man named Manifest became a Shaman, and changed the way people thought about the class. He was a true hero.
QUOTE (Manifest @ May 13 2009, 09:33 AM) 
It should be noted that the Shamans were a relatively weak class until a man named Mindshell became a Shaman, and changed the way people thought about the class. He was a true hero.
Fixed.
Shamans during the Oblit era are irrelevant.
Aren't shamans somehow supposed to be Darknesses equivalent to priests and apostates, by the way? (don't tell the dawnies)
edit: who's Manifest
edit: who's Manifest
QUOTE (Bannin @ May 13 2009, 11:28 AM)
Aren't shamans somehow supposed to be Darknesses equivalent to priests and apostates, by the way? (don't tell the dawnies)
edit: who's Manifest
edit: who's Manifest
I was always under the impression that they were similar to Serpents (in the 'neutral' category unless the player chose otherwise), and were types of mystics, so to speak... the complement to Runewardens (Priests to Paladins, Apostates to Infernals). And I'm pretty sure that Runewardens are neutral unless they choose otherwise, so...
QUOTE (Bannin @ May 13 2009, 04:28 PM)
Aren't shamans somehow supposed to be Darknesses equivalent to priests and apostates, by the way?
In the beginning, I think that was the idea. But having Runewardens and Jesters sharing their class abilities sort of stole their thunder.
QUOTE (TethrynValis @ May 13 2009, 06:11 AM)
I'm an idiot, as you all know. Still looking through the Historys on the main page, trying to find info on Shamans, all I know is what I got from the Archives though, which is that little bit on Firefox Sly when they founded the guild. Is that really all there is?
(Don't have a character so I can't FOIG(Find Out In Game) it all)
(Don't have a character so I can't FOIG(Find Out In Game) it all)
If you don't actually have a character, why does the information matter?
Can anyone else add to this? I just created a Shaman, so this topic is very interesting to me.
QUOTE (Khensu @ May 13 2009, 07:33 AM)
QUOTE (Manifest @ May 13 2009, 09:33 AM)
It should be noted that the Shamans were a relatively weak class until a man named Mindshell became a Shaman, and changed the way people thought about the class. He was a true hero.
Fixed.
Agreed and doubled. I can't remember a single time I saw Mindshell Oblit someone, but I do remember him constantly winning.
Mindshell was around before the "Vadi-era". He was good..but any dumb- could have locked someone in 3 seconds back in the day by using blight and a handaxe.
P.S. - If Bannin doesn't know who I am, that's probably moreso his problem than mine.
P.S. - If Bannin doesn't know who I am, that's probably moreso his problem than mine.
QUOTE (revolg @ May 13 2009, 04:26 PM)
QUOTE (TethrynValis @ May 13 2009, 06:11 AM)
I'm an idiot, as you all know. Still looking through the Historys on the main page, trying to find info on Shamans, all I know is what I got from the Archives though, which is that little bit on Firefox Sly when they founded the guild. Is that really all there is?
(Don't have a character so I can't FOIG(Find Out In Game) it all)
(Don't have a character so I can't FOIG(Find Out In Game) it all)
If you don't actually have a character, why does the information matter?
Because I am planning to make a character, but I dont just want to come out of nowhere, so I'm trying to do some research...
QUOTE (TethrynValis @ May 13 2009, 02:11 AM)
I'm an idiot, as you all know. Still looking through the Historys on the main page, trying to find info on Shamans, all I know is what I got from the Archives though, which is that little bit on Firefox Sly when they founded the guild. Is that really all there is?
(Don't have a character so I can't FOIG(Find Out In Game) it all)
(Don't have a character so I can't FOIG(Find Out In Game) it all)
QUOTE (Modern History of Achaea)
287-288 AF:
Syvelium, guild tutor of the Paladins goes missing. When questioned about the disappearance, Pentharian and the other Gods deny that such an entity has ever even existed. Mortals begin to whisper among themselves that the Gods seem to have gone mad, and tremble in fear of what this means to the world. Soon the fabric of sanity begins to unravel throughout the continent. Mortalkind remember events and personages the existence of which are denied by the Deities. The madness moves throughout the populace and soon none are sure of life, memory, family or position. Or, indeed, are sure of things that cannot possibly be or never were. Many regress into infantile states or claim ancestries, histories or associations that go beyond the outlandish. Firefox of Hashan loses his Serpentlord abilities and finds that in their place he has attained a mystical knowledge previously unknown in the world. He calls himself a “Shaman” and forms a guild in Hashan. Events continue to spiral out of control.
Syvelium, guild tutor of the Paladins goes missing. When questioned about the disappearance, Pentharian and the other Gods deny that such an entity has ever even existed. Mortals begin to whisper among themselves that the Gods seem to have gone mad, and tremble in fear of what this means to the world. Soon the fabric of sanity begins to unravel throughout the continent. Mortalkind remember events and personages the existence of which are denied by the Deities. The madness moves throughout the populace and soon none are sure of life, memory, family or position. Or, indeed, are sure of things that cannot possibly be or never were. Many regress into infantile states or claim ancestries, histories or associations that go beyond the outlandish. Firefox of Hashan loses his Serpentlord abilities and finds that in their place he has attained a mystical knowledge previously unknown in the world. He calls himself a “Shaman” and forms a guild in Hashan. Events continue to spiral out of control.
QUOTE (Events 30)
Events News #30
Date: 2001-10-01
From : Anonymous
To : Everyone
Subject : Shamans
Today, Firefox received a heavy dose of mystical knowledge, from parts and sources unknown. Gone is his knowledge of the Serpentlord, but in its place is the unexpected gift of the Shamans, a class with Vodun, Curses, and Runelore. Congratulations, Firefox!
Date: 2001-10-01
From : Anonymous
To : Everyone
Subject : Shamans
Today, Firefox received a heavy dose of mystical knowledge, from parts and sources unknown. Gone is his knowledge of the Serpentlord, but in its place is the unexpected gift of the Shamans, a class with Vodun, Curses, and Runelore. Congratulations, Firefox!
QUOTE (Events 31)
Events News #31
Date: 2001-10-09
From : Anonymous
To : Everyone
Subject : The Aetolian Saga
...
The Shamans
-----------
Soon, out of insanity, a wonder! A new set of knowledge, of mystical earth magic skills appeared in the mind of Firefox Sly. Dubbed 'Shaman', Firefox immediately opened a guild, while Twilight, Lord of Darkness, claimed the whole while that Shamans had always existed, and seemed to be confused by why Firefox was now the guildmaster.
...
Date: 2001-10-09
From : Anonymous
To : Everyone
Subject : The Aetolian Saga
...
The Shamans
-----------
Soon, out of insanity, a wonder! A new set of knowledge, of mystical earth magic skills appeared in the mind of Firefox Sly. Dubbed 'Shaman', Firefox immediately opened a guild, while Twilight, Lord of Darkness, claimed the whole while that Shamans had always existed, and seemed to be confused by why Firefox was now the guildmaster.
...
Anything more than that, you should find out IC.
Hmmm... Right, thanks!
QUOTE (Manifest @ May 13 2009, 05:58 PM)
Mindshell was around before the "Vadi-era". He was good..but any dumb- could have locked someone in 3 seconds back in the day by using blight and a handaxe.
P.S. - If Bannin doesn't know who I am, that's probably moreso his problem than mine.
P.S. - If Bannin doesn't know who I am, that's probably moreso his problem than mine.
To be fair if someone is relying solely on Vadi's there's a nice and easy formula to follow for locking them.
QUOTE (groton @ May 14 2009, 01:09 AM)
QUOTE (Manifest @ May 13 2009, 05:58 PM)
Mindshell was around before the "Vadi-era". He was good..but any dumb- could have locked someone in 3 seconds back in the day by using blight and a handaxe.
P.S. - If Bannin doesn't know who I am, that's probably moreso his problem than mine.
P.S. - If Bannin doesn't know who I am, that's probably moreso his problem than mine.
To be fair if someone is relying solely on Vadi's there's a nice and easy formula to follow for locking them.
PM me with said formula, please? I suck at combat, but I want to get better, and most people my might only have a Vadi.
QUOTE (groton @ May 14 2009, 06:09 AM)
QUOTE (Manifest @ May 13 2009, 05:58 PM)
Mindshell was around before the "Vadi-era". He was good..but any dumb- could have locked someone in 3 seconds back in the day by using blight and a handaxe.
P.S. - If Bannin doesn't know who I am, that's probably moreso his problem than mine.
P.S. - If Bannin doesn't know who I am, that's probably moreso his problem than mine.
To be fair if someone is relying solely on Vadi's there's a nice and easy formula to follow for locking them.
Another person with the "super secret selection of moves that always wins against vadi"Up, up, down, down, left, right, left right, select, start?
QUOTE (Manifest @ May 13 2009, 08:37 AM)
Shamans during the Oblit era are irrelevant.
If you are referring to Mindshell (because he was active during that era) I'm pretty sure he prided himself on two things, (or at least got props for it) He didn't use oblit, and he was a very uncombat like race, atavian.
QUOTE (groton @ May 14 2009, 12:09 AM)
QUOTE (Manifest @ May 13 2009, 05:58 PM)
Mindshell was around before the "Vadi-era". He was good..but any dumb- could have locked someone in 3 seconds back in the day by using blight and a handaxe.
P.S. - If Bannin doesn't know who I am, that's probably moreso his problem than mine.
P.S. - If Bannin doesn't know who I am, that's probably moreso his problem than mine.
To be fair if someone is relying solely on Vadi's there's a nice and easy formula to follow for locking them.
I don't play my shaman much more except to give my arties out, but I'm interested.
QUOTE (Karr @ May 15 2009, 05:20 PM)
QUOTE (groton @ May 14 2009, 06:09 AM)
QUOTE (Manifest @ May 13 2009, 05:58 PM)
Mindshell was around before the "Vadi-era". He was good..but any dumb- could have locked someone in 3 seconds back in the day by using blight and a handaxe.
P.S. - If Bannin doesn't know who I am, that's probably moreso his problem than mine.
P.S. - If Bannin doesn't know who I am, that's probably moreso his problem than mine.
To be fair if someone is relying solely on Vadi's there's a nice and easy formula to follow for locking them.
Another person with the "super secret selection of moves that always wins against vadi"Up, up, down, down, left, right, left right, select, start?
It's not really some super secret formula to beat vadi's, it's a setup which will work on anyone not paying attention. Which is why I said relying on vadi's instead of just using it.
QUOTE (groton @ May 16 2009, 01:30 AM)
It's not really some super secret formula to beat vadi's, it's a setup which will work on anyone not paying attention. Which is why I said relying on vadi's instead of just using it.
Yea, it's exceptionally easy to figure out.
i find slowlocks works on anyone who doesn't manual or have a script specific for getting out of slowlocks. And 99% of achaea refuses to manual for somereason
QUOTE (Sena @ May 13 2009, 06:16 PM)
QUOTE (TethrynValis @ May 13 2009, 02:11 AM)
I'm an idiot, as you all know. Still looking through the Historys on the main page, trying to find info on Shamans, all I know is what I got from the Archives though, which is that little bit on Firefox Sly when they founded the guild. Is that really all there is?
(Don't have a character so I can't FOIG(Find Out In Game) it all)
(Don't have a character so I can't FOIG(Find Out In Game) it all)
QUOTE (Modern History of Achaea)
287-288 AF:
Syvelium, guild tutor of the Paladins goes missing. When questioned about the disappearance, Pentharian and the other Gods deny that such an entity has ever even existed. Mortals begin to whisper among themselves that the Gods seem to have gone mad, and tremble in fear of what this means to the world. Soon the fabric of sanity begins to unravel throughout the continent. Mortalkind remember events and personages the existence of which are denied by the Deities. The madness moves throughout the populace and soon none are sure of life, memory, family or position. Or, indeed, are sure of things that cannot possibly be or never were. Many regress into infantile states or claim ancestries, histories or associations that go beyond the outlandish. Firefox of Hashan loses his Serpentlord abilities and finds that in their place he has attained a mystical knowledge previously unknown in the world. He calls himself a “Shaman” and forms a guild in Hashan. Events continue to spiral out of control.
Syvelium, guild tutor of the Paladins goes missing. When questioned about the disappearance, Pentharian and the other Gods deny that such an entity has ever even existed. Mortals begin to whisper among themselves that the Gods seem to have gone mad, and tremble in fear of what this means to the world. Soon the fabric of sanity begins to unravel throughout the continent. Mortalkind remember events and personages the existence of which are denied by the Deities. The madness moves throughout the populace and soon none are sure of life, memory, family or position. Or, indeed, are sure of things that cannot possibly be or never were. Many regress into infantile states or claim ancestries, histories or associations that go beyond the outlandish. Firefox of Hashan loses his Serpentlord abilities and finds that in their place he has attained a mystical knowledge previously unknown in the world. He calls himself a “Shaman” and forms a guild in Hashan. Events continue to spiral out of control.
QUOTE (Events 30)
Events News #30
Date: 2001-10-01
From : Anonymous
To : Everyone
Subject : Shamans
Today, Firefox received a heavy dose of mystical knowledge, from parts and sources unknown. Gone is his knowledge of the Serpentlord, but in its place is the unexpected gift of the Shamans, a class with Vodun, Curses, and Runelore. Congratulations, Firefox!
Date: 2001-10-01
From : Anonymous
To : Everyone
Subject : Shamans
Today, Firefox received a heavy dose of mystical knowledge, from parts and sources unknown. Gone is his knowledge of the Serpentlord, but in its place is the unexpected gift of the Shamans, a class with Vodun, Curses, and Runelore. Congratulations, Firefox!
QUOTE (Events 31)
Events News #31
Date: 2001-10-09
From : Anonymous
To : Everyone
Subject : The Aetolian Saga
...
The Shamans
-----------
Soon, out of insanity, a wonder! A new set of knowledge, of mystical earth magic skills appeared in the mind of Firefox Sly. Dubbed 'Shaman', Firefox immediately opened a guild, while Twilight, Lord of Darkness, claimed the whole while that Shamans had always existed, and seemed to be confused by why Firefox was now the guildmaster.
...
Date: 2001-10-09
From : Anonymous
To : Everyone
Subject : The Aetolian Saga
...
The Shamans
-----------
Soon, out of insanity, a wonder! A new set of knowledge, of mystical earth magic skills appeared in the mind of Firefox Sly. Dubbed 'Shaman', Firefox immediately opened a guild, while Twilight, Lord of Darkness, claimed the whole while that Shamans had always existed, and seemed to be confused by why Firefox was now the guildmaster.
...
Anything more than that, you should find out IC.
Memories! Thanks for posting all that. Fun times. I especially enjoyed being confused as to why -I- was the guildmaster. Didn't I have an entire guild worth of people a little bit ago?
QUOTE (Mishgul @ May 16 2009, 08:18 AM)
i find slowlocks works on anyone who doesn't manual or have a script specific for getting out of slowlocks. And 99% of achaea refuses to manual for somereason
Its because 99% of achaea doesnt know how to cure without vadi sys
QUOTE (Manifest @ May 13 2009, 02:33 PM)
It should be noted that the Shamans were a relatively weak class until a man named Manifest became a Shaman, and changed the way people thought about the class. He was a true hero.
lol you're a shaman? Or were?
Was, iirc.
Bedevil > Blight 
QUOTE (Exelethril @ Jun 7 2009, 08:46 PM)
Bedevil > Blight
Sadly, Damage combos > Bedevil
QUOTE (Synbios @ Jun 7 2009, 03:22 PM)
QUOTE (Exelethril @ Jun 7 2009, 08:46 PM)
Bedevil > Blight
Sadly, Damage combos > Bedevil
What even sadder, angel empathy and revitalization > damage combos
You'd be singing a different song if shamans actually had a useful damage attack. As it is, they have none. None that are useful, that is.
with trans runelore, a nice weapon, and a little weaponry, you can do some pretty sick damage with shaman, especially as raja.
Something along the lines of thurisaz x3, hugalaz, damage-weapon (i used a really nice halberd). I think I clocked it at over 5000 damage if all of them hit, although typically the thurisazs are consumed eating up shield.
Now if shaman had something like catharsis, that'd be nice, since Shaman hits their targets mana much more effectively than health.
QUOTE (Karr @ May 15 2009, 06:20 PM)
QUOTE (groton @ May 14 2009, 06:09 AM)
QUOTE (Manifest @ May 13 2009, 05:58 PM)
Mindshell was around before the "Vadi-era". He was good..but any dumb- could have locked someone in 3 seconds back in the day by using blight and a handaxe.
P.S. - If Bannin doesn't know who I am, that's probably moreso his problem than mine.
P.S. - If Bannin doesn't know who I am, that's probably moreso his problem than mine.
To be fair if someone is relying solely on Vadi's there's a nice and easy formula to follow for locking them.
Another person with the "super secret selection of moves that always wins against vadi"Up, up, down, down, left, right, left right, select, start?
I tried that. All it did was move the screen around a little, and I couldn't find the select button
QUOTE (Ernam @ Jun 17 2009, 09:05 PM)
with trans runelore, a nice weapon, and a little weaponry, you can do some pretty sick damage with shaman, especially as raja.
Something along the lines of thurisaz x3, hugalaz, damage-weapon (i used a really nice halberd). I think I clocked it at over 5000 damage if all of them hit, although typically the thurisazs are consumed eating up shield.
Now if shaman had something like catharsis, that'd be nice, since Shaman hits their targets mana much more effectively than health.
Something along the lines of thurisaz x3, hugalaz, damage-weapon (i used a really nice halberd). I think I clocked it at over 5000 damage if all of them hit, although typically the thurisazs are consumed eating up shield.
Now if shaman had something like catharsis, that'd be nice, since Shaman hits their targets mana much more effectively than health.
I find that hard to swallow..
That's 5k damage for the whole thing, consider how long it takes and the time between each thurisaz and the opponent's mitigatory skills and resistances, you'll come out with a lot lot less than that.
QUOTE (Exelethril @ Jun 21 2009, 01:32 PM)
QUOTE (Ernam @ Jun 17 2009, 09:05 PM)
with trans runelore, a nice weapon, and a little weaponry, you can do some pretty sick damage with shaman, especially as raja.
Something along the lines of thurisaz x3, hugalaz, damage-weapon (i used a really nice halberd). I think I clocked it at over 5000 damage if all of them hit, although typically the thurisazs are consumed eating up shield.
Now if shaman had something like catharsis, that'd be nice, since Shaman hits their targets mana much more effectively than health.
Something along the lines of thurisaz x3, hugalaz, damage-weapon (i used a really nice halberd). I think I clocked it at over 5000 damage if all of them hit, although typically the thurisazs are consumed eating up shield.
Now if shaman had something like catharsis, that'd be nice, since Shaman hits their targets mana much more effectively than health.
I find that hard to swallow..
With my artefact halberd, which can easily be surpassed by a forged halberd, I do about 1300 damage against 3297 max health. About 900 damage with thurisaz against the same health, and 500*3 for hugalaz. That's a total of almost 5500 against mediocre max health, with a sub-par halberd, and without any damage increasing artefacts.
Like Daje said though, that's for the whole thing. 3 thurisaz hits, 3 hugalaz hits, and a halberd hit over the course of about 9 seconds if you time it well.
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