Ok, How does one roleplay to the gods Against them without being disrepectful. Pentharion will be my prime example because of the entire event I've based Horuce's life on means he hates Penth with a passion and I'm not sure if holds him in contempt but has no respect for a god of good that would allow his followers to do such acts. I'll explain more in game about that.

Now my question is how to go against the gods in a respectful way that won't get you all zapified is there a way to do that. Sure I could start going after shrines but combat at the moment isn't my foritude so any ideas for roleplay here?

Make stragetically worded declamations against that divine's personage/realm/order. Rally allies who are combat oriented. Align with organisations that oppose said divine.

ETA: Anything you do will have consequences.

Just don't display hubris when you do so.

Kill the crap out of their order, defile their shrines, insult the order head, etc. Smudge totems in the temple/uproot totems, break up meetings, etc.

Whatever you do, do it with style and flair. I'm in the mood to see some lol's. Make me proud!

Nonsense! There's nothing wrong with getting zapped a few times

Babel gave Katia leprosy because she opposed him, I think.

Yes theres a perfect reason to get back into this game and actually try oposing the gods. I use that term losely because I'm betting half of them aren't over 25 and they just spend time on a text game. What you should do is forget the gods because the only way anyone will even notice you working is if you go out and fight to drop shrines.

This post is as ignorant as it is asinine and childish. The casual reader should pay it no mind.

I'm so sorry but all I hear is *whine*. Can you try to not bring a frowny face to every post? I actually like it when some Gods try and do something interesting to mortals other than warnings or straight out killing them. They work bloody hard so just be hush please.

As for the thread itself, I would say that as long as you don't swear/make stupid comments and actually think about what you are doing to oppose that God, it can be fun for both.

There's a fine line between disgust for a god & hubris that's difficult to walk. Fun! But difficult. If you think you can do it, try that route, particularly when you reference the god as a third party. Otherwise, follow the other suggestions of organizing conflict against the god.

So Riverdance on it instead!

That's how you become the nanny

I kind of agree with Laorir. I think if one is dedicated to RP that defies the Gods -very- vehemently, you pretty much will get zapped. You can try to do it respectfully but you -probably- will get zapped at some point. As long as it's not a kill zap, you're probably good.

Katia got leprosy because of her RP. Now -that- is dedication. I really think that's pretty much the only way to do it.

With RP, you have to accept the consequences if you want to go along with it. The reason RP fails in general is because people are afraid of the other implications of it to their character. Losing levels, getting kicked from their city, etc. etc. but that's the only way you -can- do it. Just don't get grief-y with your RP and deal with whatever comes with your RP.

You said "RP" so many times, it has started to lose all meaning.

In truth, I don't think you can grief anyone with roleplaying. But I suppose that depends on your definition of "griefing".

She didn't strive to get leprosy and it's certainly not an achievement. That's what Babel gave her for her display of hubris (or at least arrogance in calling a God a fake God--I don't remember the post well enough to remember how well or poorly worded it was), which is much more interesting than zap killings (but Babel -is- the most interesting God (I'm completely unbiased on this (another nested parenthesis))). Now if you wanted to praise the dedication with which she refuses to do anything about her leprosy, then that's ok, but I don't think the act of getting leprosy was particularly admirable.

Again, I am in no way biased. At all. I speak completely objectively.

I called him a false god of chaos, not a fake god, and I would do it again. (and it was a well written post, thank you very much Rynn, go stand giggling in your 'unbiased' way at someone else, or at least accuse me of the right thing)
Infact I intend to do it again, in a much wordier news post that I have been composing for a while.

To the OP- if you want to be openly against a god, then expect to get in trouble ic for it. From the basic zap and tdf to something unusual in punishment like robes that sparkle or diseased skin.
Be vocal, not just in news posts, talk to people about why you oppose him and why you think you're right, I have fairly good conversations with people about why I'm anti babel or think he's not a real god of chaos *he's a very naughty boy*, which usually start when they ask why I'm bleeding and exploding pus all over the place. Being opposed to a god can and will take you in unusual directions, some of which you might not expect or see coming, but stick with it if you mean it, and run with the consequencies.

Though, pick an active god to be opposed to, it makes things more interesting and less like you're kicking a dead dog.

Looking back on my post, I totally did say it too much I was just waking up though, I really can't focus that early.

I would say that you -could- grief people and try to justify it as roleplaying. I suppose a better way to say what I meant is excessive furvor for something to the point where it's purposefully hindering the fun that other people have in the game.


Hrm, I suppose you're right. It still was a pretty damn good post If you -are- going to post something like that, you have to accept that - might happen though and I'd assume (at least I hope) Katia knew she get some sort of vengeance for it.

xheh, chuckle, and laugh != giggle.

I'd say Shrine defiling is the best way to go against the Pentharian itself, instead of the order, but you WILL be hunted by them.

Shrine defiling?
Really?
Pentharian doesn't lose all shrines fairly often as it is?
How would it make him any different to, oh I don't know.. Mhaldor?
How will they know it's him?
Why will they care?

Katia raises a good point, but I'm pretty sure "they" should be either "he" or "she" at this point...

i agree with Katia, not to mention I'm just not that good of a fighter. I can free write and construct arguments though and I have a idea where I'm going with this. I do like to thank you for all the suggestions.

Was thinking in a purely materialistic view as in terms of damage towards the God. That is one of the most direct and straight aproaches against a God.

Sure it does not involve a lot of RP, but then again, if you want to go against a God you have to hurt Him, not just shout or taunt him over public posts.


And Horuce:

Maybe I'm a bit old-fashioned in that sense (the Shrine Wars Sense) but if you're not a good fighter you shouldn't go up against the Order, and if you want to do more than just RP about your past history concerning Pentharian you should probably start defiling.

You could always do some counter-culture propaganda against His ideology and teachings, but apart from a long-term damage in the adventurer's opinion about Him I don't see how that can do any direct damage to the God.


Plus shrine defiling doesn't involve fighting if you have some good corpses and some wings for example (if not, a good old mapper is fine)!

What I was trying to point out, and apparently need to try again, was that defiling Pentharian's shrines is so old hat now that he won't damage the order, he won't damage the god, those involved *they previously being the order and god* won't even know it was him, they would just assume it was Mhaldor again. If you want to do damage to a god, changing people's opinions does far more than 100k in essence ever will.

I hate to break it to you, but no one cares about shrines really. Much like old style icons, they're just something people do to kill time when they would rather be doing something else.
Unless it's an all out offensive, dropping the odd shrine accomplishes nothing other than a note in the order logs and a few eye rolls from the order members.

@OP

All of Qzadzia's mannerisms stem from a divine punishment I incurred RL years ago. The person who did it, on spur of the moment IC anger, I believe intended for the effect to be shortlived, or maybe had little faith in my roleplaying the whole thing out. But I have adored this so much that I've made it a life-long struggle and rather than roll my eyes I have loved every minute of it.

Don't dread retribution. Do something audacious (but not OOCly offensive of course) and embrace it!

Also agreement on the defiling shrines is pretty worthless besides fishing for individual fights that often don't even happen.

This. Much love for putting what I was trying to say more succinctly than I could have.

What Katia said.

Shrines won't achieve much other than a few rolled eyes and maybe a conflict or two regarding the Order memebrs.

As for the original topic, it'll be interesting if you start a nice RP-campaign thing against Shallam which isn't all lolznublolz, I support you OOCly!

Katia does have a point to what she is saying, I spent a few RL weeks defiling Lord Thoths shrines and in all fairness the damage to the god himself was minimal, in the end it was more of an annoyance I was going for as they would have to waste time putting back up what I spent five minutes taking down, In the end it kills time and shows that you dislike the god, but does not really hurt them.

BTW Katia <3 you

Wha? You want to hate on Gods but not get hated back?

In any event, I think preaching against them in Cities would be a nice trick - if you're any good with words.

I opposed the crap out of Babel without getting into any real trouble. Ask Terra/Imyrr/Flair/Rynn.

... -defiles a Deletus shrine- do I win..?

RP = retard player

Now stop acting like an idiot in this subforum.

Didnt you quit the forums already?
Like, why do you even bother hanging around here if you dont even play Achaea? The OOC forums are gone as well.

Here's a tip : GET A LIFE.

Uhh...you realize that several of the people here rarely play Achaea anymore? From the sporadic postings by Tuerney, who's shadow continues to haunt NoT, to Daes and a lot of others I'm sure..not playing Achaea but playing the forums is actually not all that weird.

Pardon me, on an irrelevant note. What is Tuerney's shadow and why does it linger there?

It's his pet.