So. I've gotten my Mhaldorian character established. He has a good RP background, but in order for it to make sense, I need someone from Shallam to cooperate.

My preferences:

o Must be somewhat high up in the Church, for RP reasons.

[alternately: Must be in a novice-aide position in the Empyreal Assembly]

o Must be active (durk!)

o Must be a good RPer (another durk!)

o Must message me with a forums message to discuss further.

Thanks!

Hang on, Mentor? You sure you're not talking about a rival or something? And "durk"?

No...it's for my character's RP. He used to be Shallamese, and was training to be a Priest, but because he was too ambitious (or so his story goes), he left the church for Mhaldor. But he does miss his old teacher; wants to talk to him/her. That's why. It wouldn't be an "I'M GOING TO KILL YOU" kind of talk, more of a "I knew I was right all along, because now I'm stronger than ever." And, for some more interesting RP, I guess you (or whoever mentors) could try to bring him back.

And, Eurulis, if you want, I could try to make a custom sprite animation of a sage with a spear. >.>

EDIT: Oh, and "durk" is a more fun way to say "duh."

Roleplay isn't really about making up a story and then getting someone else to play a predetermined role in it.

If this is the history you want your character to have, why not actually join Shallam and stay there awhile and then be too ambitious, and leave the Church for Mhaldor? Or better yet, develop a sense of the kind of person your character is as overly ambitious or whatever, play out that character in the way that feels natural, and wait and see if things go in such a way that he'll want to up and leave Mhaldor - and then if they do, do it.

Actually playing it out like that would be way more exciting and surprising and fun than what you're envisioning, where you've already determined all by yourself how things are going to go and what role this other person is going to have for you. The fun thing about roleplaying is that other people can respond to us in ways that surprise us, and if you get caught up in it, even you can respond in ways that surprise you.

Agreed with Awan. A better approach to this would be actually doing what your character's history was. It'd make it much more easy to RP afterward.

I'd be happy to have done that from the start, but the thing is that he left the church when he turned 15...otherwise, ja, I would have just roleplayed it out from the Trial.

Just throwing in my two cents on this. This is the way I see it - in a lot of ways, "denizen" and "adventurer" can be viewed ICly as different classes of people, in much the same way "noble" and "peasant" are in most fantasy stories.

The way I interpret it, is I see young children either dreading/anxiously awaiting/etc. their 18th birthday, where they -may- be chosen to become an adventurer. All of our characters are children who were chosen to go through the Trial (or for us older folks, Loom Island) to become Adventurers. We aren't just denizens anymore. We become Important, in a way, chosen by the Gods for adventure and a grander destiny, but much more commonplace and accepted as part of the 'norm'.

I don't think this stops children from learning skills before their 18th birthday, but this logically tells me that in Achaea (unlike other fantasies), children choose their careers after their 18th birthday when they know whether they are destined to become Adventurers or not. This is why we choose our House after the Trial, and why we re-choose our area of residence. For example, a Runewarden becomes a Runewarden after their 18th birthday, and it's usually even later that they learn the Art of Forging (if they choose to do so at all), when in other fantasy tales, children are apprenticed at a young age.

Anyways, my whole point of that long story being that it could make more sense for your character to be young and full of exciting exuberance at the age of 18, fresh on his road to adventure and feeling idealistic about his new life in the Church. If you're that excited to be a citizen of Mhaldor, it's all up to you, but it would make for a richer story that has -actual- events building up to it. And as Awan said, you never know where that takes you. You'll find that you'll have a much better story and a lot more depth to your character if you give yourself the chance to act out the story you have in mind. You can still aim to make it where you want to go, and you'll be surprised at how fast time goes by - it won't take you long to fully act out that part of your story, and this way, you'll have a whole cast of people to interact with, with real bonds that you've already naturally created.

Either way, it's your story! Just wanted to give my own perspective on it. Good luck with whatever you do!

I am fairly sure Mhaldor would not approve of you having a Shallamese Mentor

And I'm fairly sure a Shallamese would drop apprenticeship by any one who converted to Evil.

I agree for the most part- it is best to have real events in your backstory.

However, if you find it absolutely impossible to do so, there -are- denizens which have to do with the Church- you could say that you were adopted by a priestess of the Basilica, for instance. Goodness knows there are enough of those that we never see. You wouldn't, however, as a young denizen be training in the Empyreal Assembly or the Church without extraordinary circumstances.

You didn't read the thread, did you?

Agreed with Jhaeli.

I don't mean to try to censor your roleplay, but the culture of Achaea is not well-suited to that sort of pre-planned specific plot roleplay. Most people here prefer immersion in which you don't have to assume a bunch of events that happened in the nebulous past.

If this is definitely what you want to do, and you haven't bought credits, I would frankly suicide your char and restart as a Shallamese in the EA.

Try to get close to one of the novice aides, roleplay out developing your relationship with them, struggling with your allegiance, and your final break with the Church, then go Mhaldorian. This has the added benefit of also being fun for the Shallamese mentor. Rather than existing more as a prop for your personal roleplay, they will get to know your char as a novice and watch as he progresses, get to roleplay their feelings about your conversion. I think it would be much better overall.

If you've bought credits or you're not willing to start over, I would come up with a new concept and maybe save this for a later alt or something, or have your 'mentor' be a denizen.

azu... read moar, post less.

Skimmed it. Shouldn't have.

I don't give my posts a good think through before I post them up either. (Obviously)





I probably should take this advice, we all know I'm not going to though, unfortunately.

Qft.

No offense, though. *cough*

There's no sense in making the kid play in Shallam for a few years if that's not where he's going to have fun.

Echoing Danith. I don't see anything wrong with a bit or pre-arranged roleplay to get a character started. Honestly, if I was Empyreal and one of my proteges suddenly quit for Mhaldor, then came back to regale me with "Now I'm much stronger than I was under your pitiful tutelage," that'd probably be more annoying than fun, just because of how stupid newbies can be and how often people switch sides, anyway.

In this case, I'd say pre-arranged RP is fine because it clears up that Jonas is not doing this because he's a prat or a moron, but because it's a part of his history, and that will make it easier to enjoy as the Shallamese mentor.

I hope you find someone willing.

The funny thing is, half of the novice aides in any Church house would probably just lol at the kid on some OOC clan, rant on here about whiny proteges who just want to be on the winning side, and then never interact with him again. Wow, that's worth putting yourself through!

Lord, you are bitter

It does sound like it's plausible, though, no?

True, but you get twonks in every House and city. Shallam is full of twonks but that doesn't preclude this kid finding a decent Shallamese to play with.

How is your quest for spiritual enlightenment coming?

P.S. Sure, you could switch it around for any city. This kid wasn't looking for a Mhaldorian, Cyrenian, or Ashtani mentor, though, hence why I -ing brought it up.

P.S.S. Did Palanor tell the House to start valiantly defending the EA's e-honour on the forums or something? You're all crawling out of the woodwork, even though I've been bashing Shallam and the Church for years.

It's amusing that Danith and I both said the same thing, too, but only he's taking heat for it.

I don't think your words carry quite the air of bitterness that Danith's do.

There is no quest, I am the very pinnacle of enlightenment both IC and OOC.

Nah. You've bashed before but suddenly the bashing seems to contain more bitterness and less ironic amusement, which is a shame. I wasn't meaning to "give you heat" over it, hence the sad smilie, and if it came across that way I apologise.

Danith, you've officially become an hilarious self-parody.

Keep it up.

Hi, Quoren! Welcome to the party.

Also, I agree with Aerek. I also disagree with Quoren's thinly-veiled attempts to backpedal.

I do apologize, perhaps I'm just late to the party, but I'm not entirely certain what this comment is about. An explanation would be nice. Thanks!

The EA Brigade (I believe you call yourself Flawless Victoly in-game): RAWR DANITH IS MEAN AND BITTER
Aerek: Uh, guys... I said the same thing...
Quoren: Oh yeah but you're cool and Danith isn't afraid to tell me I'm an idiot.

Wasn't the EA OOC clan closed?

It was.

Which made Quoren and Palanor very angry so they made a new one to discuss how mean Danith was, but were stupid enough to make about six consecutive mistells (and I'm sure 5 of the 6 were intentional) to the House council clan targeted at me. In retaliation, Palanor sent Pentharian a message telling him how un-Valorous I was and nearly led to the dismantling of the Elysian Order.

You really didn't hear this story? I thought I made sure to tell you all about it on that OOC clan we share which is NOT associated with a House and does NOT induct novices who already have a hard time telling the difference between IC and OOC concepts.

Really, if people only understood the stupidity of the people I bash, they wouldn't be so quick to run here with torches and pitchforks to kill the angry troll.

Anyways, this topic has been derailed for long enough and I'd rather not find myself the victim of a sea monster attack for orchestrating it. I'm done - though I'm sure I won't get the last word in.

You told me about it via PMs.

I get a strange feeling of de ja vu from this thread. :/

E-rage over a game, especially things that happened -before- and not "just now" is rarly justified.

Have a break, have a kit-kat.

(p.s, I don't know the full story, but i'm curious)

I could yell at you about how Necromancy's a blight on Nature, but not as threatening as how Occultism is. Or, we can exchange papers for a little. My last little bit of fun was with Kelandra squirming about how she's supposedly not harming Nature. I won

@Eurulis I would have liked to have that conversation with you when I was druid

@OP I'm kind on the fence here. I agree that living it IC could be so much better, but as people know (because I've been every class under the sun, cept one) that I can't wait for things like that. It has it's ups and downs. If you were to do the whole Evil is better now muhaha see why? It would be difficult because if you are trying to tell somebody this that is high up in the church, their likely reaction will be, "Um yeah, you are dumb." But if you work your way up the ranks and no only get close to the novice aide, but become one yourself, you can say, "I've been on your side and can see the flaws in it, come see mine." The second conversation would include much more dialoge and not only that but if by some chance you convert the person to evil, that's just always a fun little perk. But really, if patience was a verture in achaea, then we wouldn't buy credits with credit cards, we'd use gold.

My overall advice. Do what you want, but consider how really into it you really want this thing. If you just kind of want to be like, meh let's try it. Do the first. If you want to balls to the wall it, then I'd say do the rise in Shallam's ranks first.