Lychian tells you, "Can i have my journal back seeing how it is worthless to
you."
2615h, 3366m, 11398e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:0:10)
You tell Lychian Van Helsing in Mhaldorian, "A interesting history you have
there, youngster."
2615h, 3366m, 11508e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:0:54)
You begin to speak Achaean (with perfect fluency).
2615h, 3366m, 11508e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:0:58)
You tell Lychian Van Helsing, "A interesting history you have there, youngster."
2615h, 3366m, 11518e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:0:59)
Kallorn Azon-Vallah says, "Interesting."
2615h, 3366m, 11528e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:1:4)
Kallorn Azon-Vallah says, "Anyway. Take care."
2615h, 3366m, 11538e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:1:10)
Kallorn doffs his hat cordially.
2615h, 3366m, 11548e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:1:10)
Kallorn grows still and his lips begin to move silently.
2615h, 3366m, 11548e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:1:11)
You doff your hat cordially.
2615h, 3366m, 11558e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:1:15)
Kallorn is enveloped in translucent fire for a moment and is gone, his soul safe
until he returns to Achaea.
2615h, 3366m, 11578e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:1:23)
Lychian tells you, "Thanks i think."
2615h, 3366m, 11598e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:1:33)
Quazzi has been slain by the might of a burly troll dweller.
2615h, 3366m, 11638e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:1:50)
You tell Lychian Van Helsing, "Have you ever thought of joining the Occultists
in Mhaldor?"
2615h, 3366m, 11678e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:2:3)
Gondus arrives from the west.
2615h, 3366m, 11708e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:2:15)
Devoto Gondus Silvertongue, Pupil of Strength says, "Duanathar."
Gondus is swiftly carried into the skies and out of sight by a pair of eagle's
wings.
2615h, 3366m, 11718e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:2:19)
Lychian tells you, "I doubt that my father would like that."
2615h, 3366m, 11758e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:2:38)
You tell Lychian Van Helsing, "Who is your father?"
2615h, 3366m, 11798e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:2:54)
Lychian tells you, "His name is Turek."
2615h, 3366m, 11838e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:3:10)
You tell Lychian Van Helsing, "Aw, yes, I know of Turek."
2615h, 3366m, 11878e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:3:23)
Lychian tells you, "I think we have family in Mhaldor but im not sure."
2615h, 3366m, 12018e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:4:22)
You tell Lychian Van Helsing, "You are right, however, in that the journal means
little to me than some light reading, but seems to mean something to yourself."
2615h, 3366m, 12138e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:5:8)
Ytarya has been slain in The Collosea en Duir by Shars Windsong, the Autumn
Butterfly.
2615h, 3366m, 12348e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:6:25)
The team of Diath, Shars, Pharaus, Arctaurus, and Lacuna has defeated Ytarya in
combat within The Collosea en Duir!
2615h, 3366m, 12348e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:6:25)
Lychian tells you, "Well i dont have much money if thats what you mean."
2615h, 3366m, 12398e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:6:42)
Attaining her fullest glory, the shining sun sits upon her throne at the apex of
her daily trek through the firmament.
2615h, 3366m, 12568e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:7:50)
You tell Lychian Van Helsing, "Money is not the be all and end all. Tell me,
what else would you be willing to negotiate with? House Items, personal
effects?"
2615h, 3366m, 12588e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:7:56)
Lychian tells you, "You saw all i had surely."
2615h, 3366m, 12648e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:8:22)
You tell Lychian Van Helsing, "This is true."
2615h, 3366m, 12678e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:8:33)
You tell Lychian Van Helsing, "How about we strike a deal?"
2615h, 3366m, 12738e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:8:59)
2615h, 3366m, 12748e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:9:2)
Lychian tells you, "What deal."
2615h, 3366m, 12788e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:9:17)
You tell Lychian Van Helsing, "You refrain from seeking the services of a Mark
on me for three months, and I will return the journal."
2615h, 3366m, 12818e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:9:32)
Mymyc has been slain by the might of a muscular mountain lion.
2615h, 3366m, 12878e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:9:53)
Arcania has been slain by the might of an apathetic Gnoll sentinel.
2615h, 3366m, 12958e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:10:26)
Lacuna has drowned in The Collosea en Duir.
2615h, 3366m, 12958e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:10:27)
Naros has drowned in The Collosea en Duir.
2615h, 3366m, 12968e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:10:33)
Arctaurus has drowned in The Collosea en Duir.
2615h, 3366m, 13028e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:10:57)
Shars has stopped her own heart, killing herself instantly.
2615h, 3366m, 13118e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:11:31)
The team of Diath, Pharaus, Ytarya, and Nyanko has defeated Shars, Arctaurus,
Lacuna, and Naros in combat within The Collosea en Duir!
2615h, 3366m, 13118e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:11:31)
Lychian tells you, "Im not sure you took alot of vials its going to take me ages
to get all that back and my father will be expecting me to go hunting with him."
2615h, 3366m, 13165e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:12:17)
A muffled cry rings out from the slave market and is cut short as swiftly and
suddenly as it came.
2615h, 3366m, 13165e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:12:54)
You tell Lychian Van Helsing, "I'm sure your father would be happy to reimburse
his careless child."
2615h, 3366m, 13165e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:12:55)
Your ghostly image slowly intensifies until you appear flesh and blood again.
2615h, 3366m, 13165e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:14:28)
You project a net of light about yourself until your image becomes faded and
ghostly.
2615h, 3316m, 13165e, 14190w, 95% cx- (14:14:47)
You have recovered equilibrium.
2615h, 3316m, 13165e, 14190w, 95% cex- (14:14:50)
Lychian tells you, "I will get them myself thank you i dont live in my fathers
pocket."
2615h, 3316m, 13165e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:14:54)
You tell Lychian Van Helsing, "Very well."
2615h, 3366m, 13165e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:15:18)
The sun begins her downward journey towards eventual sleep, casting even, full
light upon the land.
2615h, 3366m, 13165e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:15:50)
You tell Lychian Van Helsing, "I commend your courage, and your tone, in
requesting your journal back, young Occultist."
2615h, 3366m, 13165e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:15:57)
Lychian tells you, "Thank you."
2615h, 3366m, 13165e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:16:17)
Apsuthius has been slain in The Theatrum Mortalis by Penguin Recruit Joo J.
Seir, The Toothy One.
2615h, 3366m, 13165e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:16:42)
You tell Lychian Van Helsing, "You will receive it back in due course but
remember your experience with the Naga, Occultist, next time you may not be so
fortunate."
2615h, 3366m, 13165e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:17:35)
Anjely has been slain by the might of a savannah grizzly.
2615h, 3366m, 13165e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:18:44)
Lychian tells you, "I shall be training my reflexes accordingly."
2615h, 3366m, 13165e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:18:45)
2615h, 3366m, 13165e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:19:23)
You tell Lychian Van Helsing, "Truth Seven: The spirit may be made stronger by
enduring hardships, both self-imposed and externally-imposed."
2615h, 3366m, 13165e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:19:45)
The body of Blade Prefect Savira Rian, Squire of Icaru appears in a flash and
her soul descends to fill it, causing the previously expressionless face to fill
with emotion.
2615h, 3366m, 13165e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:19:55)
You tell Lychian Van Helsing, "Should you wish to seek out Mhaldor and our
Lords, you know where to find me."

The Succubi Letters.
A sigil in the shape of a small, rectangular monolith is on the ground. A runic
totem is planted solidly in the ground.
You see a single exit leading east.
2615h, 3366m, 13136e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:25:15)
You get 100 gold sovereigns from a canvas backpack.
2615h, 3366m, 13146e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:25:20)
You request a blank letter, and are handed one promptly.
2615h, 3366m, 13156e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:25:23)
You put an ancient leather journal into an elegant white letter.
2615h, 3366m, 13165e, 14200w, 95% cex- (14:25:28)
A sinister-looking succubus takes the completed letter from you and carelessly
rolls it up. Plucking a snarling gremlin from the cages behind her, she slides
the letter into a wooden cylinder dangling from its neck. With a puff of oily
smoke the gremlin scampers up the wall and disappears.

So, at the end of the day, two people log into play a game, and have a meaningful RP'd interaction, which is great.

I dunno, I find stealing journals to be kinda griefy. In this case you were fortunate enough to find something you could play off in it, and it worked out. What about the rest of the time?

I dunno, I find stealing journals to be kinda griefy. In this case you were fortunate enough to find something you could play off in it, and it worked out. What about the rest of the time?

One of the first things Silvaria taught me as a young Naga is you can even keep items and cause the victim to enjoy the experience.

True its not easy but I gained more friends and admirers from robbing them personally then most other things I have done. It just requires a lot more interaction with the victim, both before robbing them and after.

Though its an off example. Zulah first really got to know Katia when he robbed her for roughly 2 or 3 million. If a young Naga successfully robbed me I let them keep the item or gold. I've helped teach some victims how to better protect themselves. Stealing one or two health or another vial from a young player if you see they have plenty of vials is more helpful then hurtful to them in the long run, and most of them recognize that. If you just throw in even the minimum suave thiefy emotes or a bit of dark shadyness with some dialog... I've actually gotten a thank you letter from someone being robbed.

Its the fact you can't save your place in the world and reload it before you lost something that makes it exciting for most people. And lets face it, the thief hunters really enjoy the 'exp'eriance too.

Jaizsur didn't care very much for gold so he only stole keys. My Kasmarkin key was awesome. Keys are priceless!

True its not easy but I gained more friends and admirers from robbing them personally then most other things I have done. It just requires a lot more interaction with the victim, both before robbing them and after.

True story (though he'll never admit it): Cain was the first person to steal from me, and he gave everything back when I gave him my sob story.

I disagree with this idea that you have to act classy and nice to be a good thief.

Thieves should be mean, vicious, careless people.

I disagree with this idea that you have to act classy and nice to be a good thief.

Thieves should be mean, vicious, careless people.

As interesting RP though, it would really have to be done by someone who wasn't an instrument of Good. From a Dawnie/Shallamite/Churchie/anti-Babel type, your thievery really has to be seen through that lens, rather than a redistributionist Robin Hood style one.

The Dawnstriders have had several thieves in the past that really weren't into the hole "reallocation of resources." While the majority of the Churchies get offended if you reveal that you're stealing just to steal, the Dawnstriders as a House have never required or even encouraged Robin Hood theft - it's always been up to the thief to decide what they do with it.

I didn't even mean to thieve like Robin Hood - it simply went from "here novices, have some clothes and herbs" to "free Mhaldorian goods at Fish Street for a limited time, novices and combatants first!"

I mailed one of the shopkeepers a letter stating that I'd stop trying to rob their shop (and return the goods that I stole last time) if they let me into their House Estate, but they never replied

I completely agree. Anything as long as it's interesting and done well. I do think that thieves have a bigger obligation to "give back" to the roleplaying environment because they are doing something that otherwise is all negative on another person's enjoyment of the game, but I certainly don't think that's the same thing as being "nice". I chose the gentleman thief angle because it seemed interesting and (at the time) hadn't been done well in Achaea, I didn't choose because I thought it was a backdoor way of being pleasant.

Which leads on to Balynne's question as to what would be new/interesting these days. I'm not sure, I think the grubby dirty footpad angle could be interesting, or the conflicted thief wracked with guilt. A genuine Robin Hood thief (more interested in redistribution than "Good" as its usually understood in Achaea) has potential. The diplomat/spy/thief as well, although difficult to pull off in the Achaean context. Lots of options out there.

Corbeaux got griefed out of the Dawnstriders by politics.

I always thought you were an interesting thief back in the beginning, but I feel like nowadays everyone who wants to be a decent thief just tries to copycat you. The one thief who stood out to me as something fairly different (Corbeaux) finally decided to jump on the bandwagon and join the Naga too (no offense, Corbeaux. I still like you!). It's disappointing! There is no good reason for all thieves that aren't idiots to have to be Naga.

I have a pretty good and different reason to be a thief, but I don't have the patience for theft anymore.

It's perfectly normal to hate Shallam IRL and still be Shallamese.

I know several people (myself included) who have managed it quite well for at least the last 75 IC years.

Pity it'll never be 80.

I disagree with this idea that you have to act classy and nice to be a good thief.

Thieves should be mean, vicious, careless people.

The trick is to make people think you're classy and nice, while being a mean, vicious, careless person.

I think I'd have to agree with Trance.

Though I'd llike to add that I think there's a distinct difference between being mean, vicious and careless person and being a griefer.

The real problem with thieves are those ones that don't care about experience, don't care about interaction, and are just out there to make as much gold as quick as they can so they can buy credits and transfer them to their alts. But anyways, Achaea sucks... mostly because of santar

In order to even start making gold as a Thief, you have to first trans both subterfuge and hypnosis. After that, you'll have every single thief hunter out there after you, including the newbie ones - Nobody cares about having a newbie thief gain cause on them. I've made newbie Thieves before just to go back to that, everybody and all their house mates come after you after you rob just one person - And that's a good thing, teaches em a lesson.

Anyways, what I was saying is, it takes a lot of gold to become a Thief, then a lot of time, practice, credits, etc to become one of the Thieves that nobody bothers hunting. After that, if you keep it up all day, every day, you can get lucky and make some pretty decent gold.

If, instead, you just go bashing with all that free time, you will make way -way- more gold, no question about it. You'd also gain experience, which helps you gain even more gold.

I keep getting sidetracked from the basic point I'm trying to make, and that is: Thieves aren't in it for the gold, it's more the excitement than anything else. The gold is definitely a good bonus, but there are a thousand better ways to make it out there.

All of my thievery characters were in it for the gold. Made a lot at it too! I remember stealing some extremely large sums of gold. Transed all my skills with stolen good too. I remember one time I stole 300 credits worth of gold in one swipe. I think that all went towards avoidance.

Elyse, I heard you once stole some gold. Is this true, that you stole some gold? I think that stealing gold is probably a good topic for this discussion. Please, tell me about your stealing gold.

All of my thievery characters were in it for the gold. Made a lot at it too! I remember stealing some extremely large sums of gold. Transed all my skills with stolen good too. I remember one time I stole 300 credits worth of gold in one swipe. I think that all went towards avoidance.

With the amount of "I STOLE LOTS OF GOLD, SERIOUSLY, I WAS A THIEF, I STOLE GOLD, ALMOST 300cr WORTH OF GOLD, I STOLE GOLD" going on, I would like to approve Daniths post for amusement.

So, did you steal for gold or what?

These threads are always fun.

As I said, the gold is a great bonus. But if you were in it purely for the gold, you could have just bashed instead.

Edit: Again, I'm not saying it's bad gold, I'm just saying that nobody runs around robbing people, buying credits, and transferring to their mains. That'd be too much of a bother, and also probably get both characters shrubbed.