Ok, a funny topic though, but a recent IC conversation I've had with Pentharion got me to thinking, how is valour, honor and the concept of good in the real world vs that in Achaea because lets face it even priests have to kill to level up and apostates do get caught doing "good deeds" I guess what is some of the better ways to lose real life mind sets and get into achaean mindsets and have better interaction with others, any thoughts on the matter because I've been working on Horuce's RP a bit with differnt people but I'm finding myself thinking one way when in achaea (according to others and gods) that its another.

Well any thoughts or has what I typed become clear as mud, I'll try to clear up any questions concerning my thoughts on the matter.

I think I understand what you're trying to say, so I'll do my best to reply.

Ideals in Achaea tend to have a specific definition that is (sometimes) unique to the context of the game. They might be based on real definitions, but to be quite honest, most ideals have a million different definitions and interpretations, depending on where you are in the world, so even then, you can't really say that every ideal has only one "meaning".

So, basically, you're better off acting as if you've never heard of that particular word or belief, and learn it completely new through your character, because even if it's got the same "basic" meaning as its "real life" definition, it's going to be applied in different ways in the game. And even then, many different orgs within Achaea have taken very general "ideals" and made them specific to their particular organization.

For example, I doubt the Maldaathi interpret 'Chivalry' in the same way as the Wardens do. The basic definition of being a Code of Conduct, etc. might be similar, but it would apply to each differently. Same with something like 'Duty'. (I honestly have little information on Maldaathi ethos aside from generic public knowledge, so I'm just guessing for two Knight Houses.)

You're better off looking through information in your House/City/Order for their particular ideals and reading their specific interpretation on it, especially if you're new and need something to start with.

Um. You apparently didn't chat with Pentharian enough if you think that Valour and Honour mean that Priests can't kill things and Apostates aren't allowed to do "good deeds".

So if you're looking to shed your OOC mindsets in order to be a better roleplayer, I would start with the two concepts in Achaea that it looks like you have the most trouble with - Good and Evil.

Good in Achaea is not doing "good deeds". Good in Achaea means that you are against three basic things: 1) Chaos, as it stands to destroy Creation, 2) Evil, as those who are Evil seek to empower themselves by oppressing the weak and innocent and weeding out anything that doesn't make them stronger, and 3) the murder of innocent beings.

Some of the misconceptions about Good in Achaea might stem from the fact that, traditionally, the Gods of Shallam and the Church have had realms that we in reality perceive as "good" - justice, valor, honor, light, etc.

On the other hand, Evil is not just killing things. Being Evil in Achaea means that you are willing to step on anyone weaker than you to get to the top, and will inflict suffering and oppression (hence the realms of the two Gods of Mhaldor) upon those who try to stop you, and those who promote "weak" ideas like compassion and justice. This is why Good is fundamentally opposed to Evil, and vice versa.

That's not what I said. The italized version I'll respond to first, I mention those things because priests in real life don't typically commit genocide and which bashing anything typically is, and Apostate are demon worshippers who most often don't do anything good in real life. I stated after a conversation. Now to the other points. These actually do help adress alot of the stuff I was looking into when trying to figure out the RL vs Achaean ideas. Now the ideas of killing people to me is wrong, and evil (I hope alot others feel that same way) now in achaea I have to kill denizens who "techinally" are people and I thank you for the concepts of good vs evil because those do help, and I'll look more into them..Anyone know if Appollyon or Shaitian can be approached because I've actually only interacted with just a few of the Gods Pentharian being one, Clementius and Thoth being the other two.

Well once again thanks for the info and I'll have horuce flesh out those ideas further to him in game.

I doubt you'll go far if you just send Apollyon or Shaitan a tell out of the blue. Talk to some of their followers instead. That's what many are there for.

This is where you've hit a problem.

Achaea runs on a moral code that does not match with the real world. In Achaea, complete eradication of a village of Evil-followers is a very Good/good thing.

All three Knight Houses are supposed to interpret Chivalry in the same sense. At least that's what we teach our novices.

To me, that's why Knighthood is one of the most sacred concepts of Achaean life. Even enemies should be able to look at a Knight from the opposing side and see the same basic virtues that they see in their own Knights.

The OP exhibits a distinct lack of full stops, which makes it somewhat tedious for my tired mind to read.

It is true that some moral aspects have to be interpreted differently than in real life. It is a false assumption however that the game world somehow "forces" you to "kill people", "do good things" or anything like that. You can perfectly well play an Achaean character that either doesn't kill at all, or only kills non-sentient beings, or whatever. And you can perfectly well avoid doing most "good things". You have a surprisingly wide range of playing styles at your disposal, if you're ready not always to take the easiest path. The question is just how important power playing is to you.

Especially the chilluns. Can't let 'em grow up to be Adikoi in good concience, can we?

Course they never grow up really, i mean that girl in Jaru has to be what, 200 years old?
Given things get completely irradicated and then just pop on back we either A have to ignore that fact or B assume the Logos brings everything back from the dead for unfathomable reasons but keeps score.