Trance
Feb 5 2008, 05:35 PM
QUOTE(Daes @ Feb 5 2008, 10:23 AM)

Yeah, I never squint when I snipe. I just try to shoot them in all directions. If I shoot at them, that's the direction they're in, and I continue to shoot in that direction. It's not difficult.
bug When you try to shoot someone in a direction and that person is not there it says you cannot find the target and doesn't even cost balance!!!! This should be changed so that it shoots the arrow and misses instead, people should have to squint to see if they're actually shooting in the right room.
Thank you, your bug report has been submitted.
Mishgul
Feb 5 2008, 05:43 PM
QUOTE(Trance @ Feb 5 2008, 05:35 PM)

QUOTE(Daes @ Feb 5 2008, 10:23 AM)

Yeah, I never squint when I snipe. I just try to shoot them in all directions. If I shoot at them, that's the direction they're in, and I continue to shoot in that direction. It's not difficult.
bug When you try to shoot someone in a direction and that person is not there it says you cannot find the target and doesn't even cost balance!!!! This should be changed so that it shoots the arrow and misses instead, people should have to squint to see if they're actually shooting in the right room.
Thank you, your bug report has been submitted.
If you kaichoke someone and they are not in the same area/are dead, it should hit the monk who is choking and kill them instantly.
Caelan
Feb 5 2008, 05:45 PM
QUOTE(Trance @ Feb 5 2008, 12:35 PM)

QUOTE(Daes @ Feb 5 2008, 10:23 AM)

Yeah, I never squint when I snipe. I just try to shoot them in all directions. If I shoot at them, that's the direction they're in, and I continue to shoot in that direction. It's not difficult.
bug When you try to shoot someone in a direction and that person is not there it says you cannot find the target and doesn't even cost balance!!!! This should be changed so that it shoots the arrow and misses instead, people should have to squint to see if they're actually shooting in the right room.
Thank you, your bug report has been submitted.
Trevize
Feb 5 2008, 05:50 PM
I laugh at every sniper that has aiming and squints.
katia
Feb 5 2008, 05:56 PM
we squint to find out who is there in a raid.
If we know who is there, we don't have too.
Why is this funny?
Trance
Feb 5 2008, 05:56 PM
QUOTE(Trevize @ Feb 5 2008, 10:50 AM)

I laugh at every sniper that has aiming and squints.
I do it all the time. Shoot a delph arrow, squint to see if the person is sleeping or not, squint to see if there's an icewall, squint to see what allies the guy has that might be healing/reflecting/getting ready to lunge me.
That having been said, I'm not all that concerned after the change.
Eleusive
Feb 5 2008, 05:59 PM
I find it amusing that this is an upgrade for Horkvals. They now have the only way to check adjacent rooms without costing balance/eq.
I totally just reincarnated because I like checking nearby rooms while I bash to plot the next mobs I'll kill.
Eluned
Feb 5 2008, 06:02 PM
T_T
Okay, I'm done now. I'll get used to it.
Spire
Feb 5 2008, 06:05 PM
QUOTE(Tagg @ Feb 5 2008, 05:03 PM)

Money says an artefact comes out next week that makes it so glance and squint don't take EQ.
No bet. Gotta save up to buy said artefact.
Goggles of Horksight
Trevize
Feb 5 2008, 06:13 PM
QUOTE(Trance @ Feb 5 2008, 12:56 PM)

QUOTE(Trevize @ Feb 5 2008, 10:50 AM)

I laugh at every sniper that has aiming and squints.
I do it all the time. Shoot a delph arrow, squint to see if the person is sleeping or not, squint to see if there's an icewall, squint to see what allies the guy has that might be healing/reflecting/getting ready to lunge me.
That having been said, I'm not all that concerned after the change.
I meant to tell if someone is there at all, those are actual good uses of it - ones that I don't mind costing slightly to use.
Daes
Feb 5 2008, 06:14 PM
You can still use them. The squint EQ recovery is shorter than the snipe balance recovery, isn't it?
Blujixapug
Feb 5 2008, 06:33 PM
What? Why was this changed? Why was this needed? Was squint overpowered in any even small way? Does this balance anything? Does anyone benefit from this change?
What a terrible change. I use(d) squint all the time in both bashing and PK. ALL the time. It was vastly useful for checking whether mobs were stacking up, where mobs were, and whether mobs were chasing. It was invaluable for quickly checking where people who had run away from a fight were, if they had dropped holos, if there were icewalls, if they'd set up deliverance, if they were propping a totem, if there was a team of people with your target, if they had ents, countless other things.
An ability that takes 1-1.5s EQ per exit to do this is nowhere near as useful and will make it that much harder to fight people who run. It will make bashing that much slower/harder for people who need to worry about tanking and bash interesting areas.
Glance taking EQ is one of the two reasons I don't ever use it. (The other being that Squint is better.)
This was complete unnecessary. Who asked for it to happen?
Please change it back as soon as possible.
Penquin
Feb 5 2008, 06:55 PM
This change is about as stupid as the not being being able to refill pipes through selfishness one.
Seriously, WHAT was the damn need for such a retarded change?
Yiwen
Feb 5 2008, 07:13 PM
um..if glance takes eq...why shouldn't squint?
Draekar
Feb 5 2008, 07:13 PM
WHY???
With everything that is actually broken in Achaea, they go and fix something that was fine.
I can see why technically it might take balance, but there was nothing wrong with it not taking balance, and now a very useful and often used skill gets nerfed for no reason.
QUOTE(Tagg @ Feb 6 2008, 06:03 AM)

Money says an artefact comes out next week that makes it so glance and squint don't take EQ.
Dammit they better not!!
Change back please!
Eleusive
Feb 5 2008, 07:15 PM
I'll pay 500 credits for an arti that makes squint, glance, and observe all happen without balance or eq regardless of race.
Mellisa
Feb 5 2008, 07:16 PM
QUOTE(Yiwen @ Feb 5 2008, 09:13 PM)

um..if glance takes eq...why shouldn't squint?
Exactly what I was thinking (even though I may not like that fact that squint now takes EQ)
Blujixapug
Feb 5 2008, 07:19 PM
QUOTE(Yiwen @ Feb 5 2008, 07:13 PM)

um..if glance takes eq...why shouldn't squint?
Because that's stupid and not all abilities are the same. And because taking EQ makes squint 90% useless.
Do you use squint? Or PK? Or are you just posting to post? If you are just posting to post, please find another thread, because this one may have PK relevance.
Griffel
Feb 5 2008, 07:21 PM
QUOTE(Yiwen @ Feb 5 2008, 02:13 PM)

um..if glance takes eq...why shouldn't squint?
Even if this argument was valid, it would work equally well in reverse.
Miagorme
Feb 5 2008, 07:25 PM
It almost makes sense, but anything more than .5 second equib loss seems silly.
Blujixapug
Feb 5 2008, 07:26 PM
Any EQ loss is silly. It was absolutely fine before and not something anyone ever complained about.
Merador
Feb 5 2008, 07:28 PM
Looks like my squint in all directions alias isn't going to be fun anymore.
Draegan
Feb 5 2008, 07:29 PM
I'll bet 5 bucks some admin rolls in here with some garbage about how "it was supposed to work like this all along and we had no clue it wasn't working that way"
Miagorme
Feb 5 2008, 07:29 PM
Silly is grove-users being less likely to die than Shaitan in their groves, but we aren't complaining, are we?
Seriously though, think about it. You take a moment to focus on seeing a couple rooms away, of course it might take a little effort. 1.5 (or whatever) second equib loss is a little much, though. .5 would barely be noticable.
Dusty
Feb 5 2008, 07:37 PM
Whoa... I use squint a lot, especially while bashing. It's really useful when I'm running in a particular dangerous area and don't want to walk into something I'm going to regret.
Ouch... just ouch...
Daes
Feb 5 2008, 07:42 PM
QUOTE(Blujixapug @ Feb 5 2008, 11:19 AM)

QUOTE(Yiwen @ Feb 5 2008, 07:13 PM)

um..if glance takes eq...why shouldn't squint?
Because that's stupid and not all abilities are the same. And because taking EQ makes squint 90% useless.
Do you use squint? Or PK? Or are you just posting to post? If you are just posting to post, please find another thread, because this one may have PK relevance.
I use squint and PK. I still think you're all acting like 3 year olds who just had their favorite toy taken away by their mommy.
Miagorme
Feb 5 2008, 07:43 PM
this is a reasonable change that just needs a bit of adjusting (time) to be completely reasonable.
Griffel
Feb 5 2008, 07:44 PM
QUOTE(Daes @ Feb 5 2008, 02:42 PM)

QUOTE(Blujixapug @ Feb 5 2008, 11:19 AM)

QUOTE(Yiwen @ Feb 5 2008, 07:13 PM)

um..if glance takes eq...why shouldn't squint?
Because that's stupid and not all abilities are the same. And because taking EQ makes squint 90% useless.
Do you use squint? Or PK? Or are you just posting to post? If you are just posting to post, please find another thread, because this one may have PK relevance.
I don't play this game.
Edited for accuracy.
Daes
Feb 5 2008, 07:48 PM
Stfu. I play the forums. That's good enough.
Trevize
Feb 5 2008, 07:51 PM
QUOTE(Draegan @ Feb 5 2008, 02:29 PM)

I'll bet 5 bucks some admin rolls in here with some garbage about how "it was supposed to work like this all along and we had no clue it wasn't working that way"
I wouldn't be surprised if that was true, since they don't have balance or equilibrium to deal with.
Trevize
Feb 5 2008, 07:53 PM
To be honest, I'm completely apathetic about this change because I never used squint.
Caelan
Feb 5 2008, 07:56 PM
QUOTE(Blujixapug @ Feb 5 2008, 02:26 PM)

Any EQ loss is silly. It was absolutely fine before and not something anyone ever complained about.
QFT. I ran a search and couldn't come up with a single INFERO thread or ACC thread discussing the overpoweredness of SQUINT.
Caelan
Feb 5 2008, 07:58 PM
QUOTE(Daes @ Feb 5 2008, 02:42 PM)

QUOTE(Blujixapug @ Feb 5 2008, 11:19 AM)

QUOTE(Yiwen @ Feb 5 2008, 07:13 PM)

um..if glance takes eq...why shouldn't squint?
Because that's stupid and not all abilities are the same. And because taking EQ makes squint 90% useless.
Do you use squint? Or PK? Or are you just posting to post? If you are just posting to post, please find another thread, because this one may have PK relevance.
I use squint and PK. I still think you're all acting like 3 year olds who just had their favorite toy taken away by their mommy.
lolu don't eben ply no moar!
God damn it Griefel!! You ninja bastage!
vadimuses
Feb 5 2008, 07:58 PM
Eq stacking is retarded.
Blujixapug
Feb 5 2008, 08:08 PM
QUOTE(Miagorme @ Feb 5 2008, 07:43 PM)

this is a reasonable change that just needs a bit of adjusting (time) to be completely reasonable.
I used squint many times when fighting Miagorme because he ran around a lot. It was very useful to determine where he was, what he was wielding, if he had animals with him, if he was sprawled, things like that.
Miagorme
Feb 5 2008, 08:11 PM
on second thought, pls change this, I can't find anyone now that squint takes longer than goign to the bathroom does.
Jaiko
Feb 5 2008, 08:49 PM
Never realized how much I used squint until now, as I'm slowly going insane with rage.
Riashain
Feb 5 2008, 08:50 PM
QUOTE(Miagorme @ Feb 5 2008, 03:11 PM)

on second thought, pls change this, I can't find anyone now that squint takes longer than goign to the bathroom does.
Blujixapug
Feb 5 2008, 09:03 PM
Yeah, after trying to 1. quest, 2. bash a powerful mob that chases (crypt beast) and 3. PK (Miagorme and a druid), I can only repeat everything i've already said except this time with bold and italics for emphasis. ITALICS.
Miagorme
Feb 5 2008, 09:06 PM
QUOTE
Petition for un-nerfing squint: I would like to see squint un-nerfed. Thank you.
I agree.QUOTE
---[ OOC ANNOUNCEMENT ]-----------------------------( 2008/02/05 21:06:53 )---
Squint took up eq for a while. It doesn't any more. Of course this was all
according to plan, since now you will all be so relieved, and pleased, you will
be too busy praising us to notice any other bad things for a while. Enjoy!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
wow that was fast
aegea
Feb 5 2008, 09:07 PM
Squint just got fixed
Miagorme
Feb 5 2008, 09:09 PM
it was my one man petition
kthx
Blujixapug
Feb 5 2008, 09:09 PM
Gaelyia
Feb 5 2008, 09:14 PM
Nevermind, it was fixed?
Miagorme
Feb 5 2008, 09:15 PM
QUOTE(Miagorme @ Feb 5 2008, 09:06 PM)

QUOTE
Petition for un-nerfing squint: I would like to see squint un-nerfed. Thank you.
I agree.QUOTE
---[ OOC ANNOUNCEMENT ]-----------------------------( 2008/02/05 21:06:53 )---
Squint took up eq for a while. It doesn't any more. Of course this was all
according to plan, since now you will all be so relieved, and pleased, you will
be too busy praising us to notice any other bad things for a while. Enjoy!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
wow that was fast
I have saved this world as we know it. You can thank me later.
Or now, now's fine.
Mishgul
Feb 5 2008, 09:21 PM
does this mean we won't getting instantlock squinting at trans vision?
Mark C
Feb 5 2008, 09:44 PM
QUOTE(Tagg @ Feb 5 2008, 09:03 AM)

Money says an artefact comes out next week that makes it so glance and squint don't take EQ.
That would be hilarious and pathetic.
Miagorme
Feb 5 2008, 10:07 PM
QUOTE(Miagorme @ Feb 5 2008, 09:15 PM)

QUOTE(Miagorme @ Feb 5 2008, 09:06 PM)

QUOTE
Petition for un-nerfing squint: I would like to see squint un-nerfed. Thank you.
I agree.QUOTE
---[ OOC ANNOUNCEMENT ]-----------------------------( 2008/02/05 21:06:53 )---
Squint took up eq for a while. It doesn't any more. Of course this was all
according to plan, since now you will all be so relieved, and pleased, you will
be too busy praising us to notice any other bad things for a while. Enjoy!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
wow that was fast
I have saved this world as we know it. You can thank me later.
Or now, now's fine.TY MIA
Mishgul
Feb 5 2008, 10:13 PM
...we could have had squintlocks and the lot
Miagorme
Feb 5 2008, 10:20 PM
QUOTE(Miagorme @ Feb 5 2008, 10:07 PM)

QUOTE(Miagorme @ Feb 5 2008, 09:15 PM)

QUOTE(Miagorme @ Feb 5 2008, 09:06 PM)

QUOTE
Petition for un-nerfing squint: I would like to see squint un-nerfed. Thank you.
I agree.QUOTE
---[ OOC ANNOUNCEMENT ]-----------------------------( 2008/02/05 21:06:53 )---
Squint took up eq for a while. It doesn't any more. Of course this was all
according to plan, since now you will all be so relieved, and pleased, you will
be too busy praising us to notice any other bad things for a while. Enjoy!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
wow that was fast
I have saved this world as we know it. You can thank me later.
Or now, now's fine.TY MIA
tyvm mia ur awsum
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