Welcome to the Achaea Forums! Please be sure to read the Forum Rules.

Raiding Mechanics

124

Comments

  • AtalkezAtalkez Posts: 4,336Member, Secret Squirrel @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited November 2017
    Unless I’ve missed every one from being dead, nope!


    You hug Aurora compassionately.
    Antidas
  • JarrodJarrod Posts: 2,920Member, Seafaring Liason @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Maybe that was just a suggested idea then, thought I'd seen a big 'CLANK' from a tank placed before, but it's been awhile.
    image
    Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."

    Antidas
  • AntidasAntidas Posts: 1,391Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Yeah as far as I know thats not a thing, but adding an emote to activating a tank sounds like a solid solution to me. Anything to keep me from having to look over the entire city every 5 minutes during a raid haha.

    Kayle
  • KryptonKrypton shi-KhurenaPosts: 2,377Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I feel like they should make city sparkkeepers be attuned to this information.
    (Mhaldor): Herenicus says, "Apologies, I am in-and-out of hold with Verizon wireless customer service."
  • DaeirDaeir AustraliaPosts: 6,276Member, Secret Squirrel @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Or any Magi. You know, cultivating gigantic fire elemental from the essence of your dying enemies and all.
  • MinifieMinifie Posts: 1,314Member @ - Epic Achaean
    after going on a 3 tank detonation day, I really feel bad for defense. Definitely needs some help to make it more engaging ATM.
  • HerutarHerutar Posts: 7Member
    Sobriquet said:
    Radiance I still think is pretty dumb. Sit very safely away from the action and kill pretty much anyone who's not put lessons into mini skill, and those with no viable way of getting out (especially with orb). 

    It has its uses to get people away from their main groups of course, but I still think there should be a smaller range of use for it. 

    Granted Herutar's a mercenary troll so Telepathy isn't his bag, but I use Radiance primarily to get someone to wings out or as a time pressure when hitting guards. Doesn't really do all that much aside from annoy, though, unless you're like @Arkantos and built for Telepathy. I'm also a terrible combatant, though. 



  • SolnirSolnir Posts: 517Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Building for telepathy does nothing to boost radiance. It's the same whether you have 0 int or 30, afaik. So a mercenary troll is just as annoying with radiance as a grook.
  • TorinnTorinn Posts: 660Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    It's annoying that it kills those without credits to buy wings/urn
    Deucalion says, "Torinn is quite nice."
  • ProficyProficy Posts: 179Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Solnir said:
    Building for telepathy does nothing to boost radiance. It's the same whether you have 0 int or 30, afaik. So a mercenary troll is just as annoying with radiance as a grook.
    Int has everything to do with radiance..
    Ability to lock faster and keep a lock is based on int/willpower.
    But the restriction of that radiance cool down on failed attempts makes radiance not an issue at all during raids unless you are someone needed to be in the room 24/7, which shouldn't be anyone..  so we can move past this as a raid topic
    TelendriethArkantos
  • VikaVika Posts: 15Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    So after the last 3 Mhaldor raids this week, amost all of them relying on retardation I think some major things need to be done for next classleads.

    Mainly: Any abilities that usually only hit enemies, should hit everyone. Tailsweep, deepfreeze, breathstorm etc

    And abilities like aerial that have 100% bypass shouldnt work. There's no reason Aegoth should be able to cast aerial in ret with distort and leg fractures and then immediately be able to drop holo bombs.

    This would probably be an overhaul on some abilities or even not considered, but it feels a bit silly that there's 0 repercussions if have your team can just tailsweep and keep up breathstorm in retardation, and the other magi is throwing down deepfreeze. Then just have someone trample and it's game. 

    I'm not familiar in Achaea group combat tactics, but every ret strat from fighting Tesha in Mhaldor while they hole up in pulpit or fighting Mhaldor employs these abilities. They're way too safe, and just to break the immersion in a fantasy game where we set the rules, why isn't a huge ice storm hitting everyone? Why is the drops of acid falling from the sky not much slower or not hitting their allies in ret? Why isnt a huge dragon tail in retardation avoidable or not hitting your allies?

    Just my issues with fighting it so much recently. 
    Prythe
  • AegothAegoth Posts: 2,227Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I'd be fine with enemy-only abilities being indiscriminate inside ret.
    TorinnTaryiusAziik
  • KythraKythra Posts: 277Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Entrenching is far too easy and raiding compliments the raiders rather than the defenders when entrenched.

    Totem, Breathstorm, Blizzard, Ret. Wait for enemies to walk in, tailsweep, trample, deepfreeze. 

    I think tweaking the hit rate to like 20% or something for dragon related abilities would be huge. Like, Druid sweep hits everyone in room. So should dragon tailsweep. Maybe breathstorm hits a -lot- slower. Maybe you have time to see totems so it acts like soft focus? I think complete overhauls to ally-exempt abilities would be too much a challenge, but accuracy tweaks for ret flags may be better?
  • NazihkNazihk Posts: 838Member @ - Epic Achaean
    I'd be okay with ret disabling trample or drastically lowering its breakrate. Horse too slow to trample everybody, etc. My biggest problem with retardation and the reason I hate it in group fights is because I feel like it ends up devolving down to "which team can get their effective AOE out first."

    Vika said:j
    ust to break the immersion in a fantasy game where we set the rules, why isn't a huge ice storm hitting everyone? Why is the drops of acid falling from the sky not much slower or not hitting their allies in ret? Why isnt a huge dragon tail in retardation avoidable or not hitting your allies?
    Immersion is always a stupid argument. In a game where I shrug off hammer blows to the head while holding a few dozen mhun corpses, all while I am simultaneously dual wielding flails and drinking out of my 20-odd vials while eating leaves out of a magic rift in spacetime... you're going to say that magic rain not bothering me is a blow to immersion?

    AnzeVender
  • KietKiet Posts: 2,341Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Ret is one of the biggest issues with entrenchment and aoe abilities in general are a huge issue for ret. Something has to give I agree
    Taryius
  • KythraKythra Posts: 277Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Nazihk said:
    I'd be okay with ret disabling trample or drastically lowering its breakrate. Horse too slow to trample everybody, etc. My biggest problem with retardation and the reason I hate it in group fights is because I feel like it ends up devolving down to "which team can get their effective AOE out first."

    Vika said:j
    ust to break the immersion in a fantasy game where we set the rules, why isn't a huge ice storm hitting everyone? Why is the drops of acid falling from the sky not much slower or not hitting their allies in ret? Why isnt a huge dragon tail in retardation avoidable or not hitting your allies?
    Immersion is always a stupid argument. In a game where I shrug off hammer blows to the head while holding a few dozen mhun corpses, all while I am simultaneously dual wielding flails and drinking out of my 20-odd vials while eating leaves out of a magic rift in spacetime... you're going to say that magic rain not bothering me is a blow to immersion?

    I think she was being facetious. Did I use it right, @Aegoth?
    TaryiusAegoth
  • RangorRangor Posts: 2,918Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Bring back cube sigils as a counter to Ret and we're good. :P
    image
    CaelanAccipiterKeorin
  • AtalkezAtalkez Posts: 4,336Member, Secret Squirrel @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Aerial shouldn’t bypass everything anyway. After the nerf to RoF, Aerial has no argument why it still operates this way anymore.


    You hug Aurora compassionately.
    AntidasShirszaeExelethrilKogan
  • AlrenaAlrena Posts: 572Member @ - Epic Achaean
    Atalkez said:
    Aerial shouldn’t bypass everything anyway. After the nerf to RoF, Aerial has no argument why it still operates this way anymore.
    Especially when the eq recovery was drastically lowered with RoF as the argument for it. Either put it back to 4 seconds base or make it hit hinders!

    I also agree with the sentiment that Ret basically means whichever team gets their AoE abilities in, wins and is generally the end-all in raiding. Not even talking about adjacent ret for an easy beckon on totems!
    image
  • AtalkezAtalkez Posts: 4,336Member, Secret Squirrel @@ - Legendary Achaean
    A potential change is making retardation only affect attacks. So curing, blocking, tells and things like that are unaffected.


    You hug Aurora compassionately.
    Prythe
  • KietKiet Posts: 2,341Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    That'd make it useless vs half the classes tho wouldnt it
  • AtalkezAtalkez Posts: 4,336Member, Secret Squirrel @@ - Legendary Achaean
    It’s 4am, just spitballing. Haven’t put much thought into it.


    You hug Aurora compassionately.
  • XadenXaden Posts: 2,182Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Kythra said:
    Nazihk said:
    I'd be okay with ret disabling trample or drastically lowering its breakrate. Horse too slow to trample everybody, etc. My biggest problem with retardation and the reason I hate it in group fights is because I feel like it ends up devolving down to "which team can get their effective AOE out first."

    Vika said:j
    ust to break the immersion in a fantasy game where we set the rules, why isn't a huge ice storm hitting everyone? Why is the drops of acid falling from the sky not much slower or not hitting their allies in ret? Why isnt a huge dragon tail in retardation avoidable or not hitting your allies?
    Immersion is always a stupid argument. In a game where I shrug off hammer blows to the head while holding a few dozen mhun corpses, all while I am simultaneously dual wielding flails and drinking out of my 20-odd vials while eating leaves out of a magic rift in spacetime... you're going to say that magic rain not bothering me is a blow to immersion?

    I think she was being facetious. Did I use it right, @Aegoth?
    Only if we redefine facetious as something it's not.
         He is a coward who has to bring two friends as backup to jump people hunting.

  • TaryiusTaryius Posts: 356Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Xaden said:
    Kythra said:
    Nazihk said:
    I'd be okay with ret disabling trample or drastically lowering its breakrate. Horse too slow to trample everybody, etc. My biggest problem with retardation and the reason I hate it in group fights is because I feel like it ends up devolving down to "which team can get their effective AOE out first."

    Vika said:j
    ust to break the immersion in a fantasy game where we set the rules, why isn't a huge ice storm hitting everyone? Why is the drops of acid falling from the sky not much slower or not hitting their allies in ret? Why isnt a huge dragon tail in retardation avoidable or not hitting your allies?
    Immersion is always a stupid argument. In a game where I shrug off hammer blows to the head while holding a few dozen mhun corpses, all while I am simultaneously dual wielding flails and drinking out of my 20-odd vials while eating leaves out of a magic rift in spacetime... you're going to say that magic rain not bothering me is a blow to immersion?

    I think she was being facetious. Did I use it right, @Aegoth?
    Only if we redefine facetious as something it's not.
    Now you are just being facetious.
    XadenSherazad
  • FarrahFarrah Posts: 1,605Member, Secret Squirrel @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Agree about AoE in ret. Make it hit everyone like with hatred aff. Make trample break half as many limbs in ret.

    I'm fine with aerial personally. It's a weaker evade, only usable outdoors, and we all survived with RoF doing the same.

    @Kythra Ret already adds a soft focus effect to totems. The problem is people just throw it down right after totem hit most of the time.
  • KoganKogan Posts: 356Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Farrah said:
    Agree about AoE in ret. Make it hit everyone like with hatred aff. Make trample break half as many limbs in ret.

    I'm fine with aerial personally. It's a weaker evade, only usable outdoors, and we all survived with RoF doing the same.

    @Kythra Ret already adds a soft focus effect to totems. The problem is people just throw it down right after totem hit most of the time.
    The problem I have with it currently is when it's combined with other things. Ret + gravehands or ret + piety. So aerial is a free way out of my distort. Chasing is almost impossible due to gravehands/hinder of enemy. I can tentacle/heila but they'll just fly again for free. So it effectively allows them to sit there and cast holo on dor with no realistic way to counter it if you rush the room. Can try to fly to meet them I guess, but then we're assuming I'm not being dor trampled or some other cheese strat already. Also assuming I'm not going to get screwed by gravehands and waste my time. Even if you look at it from a 1v1 standpoint at the least the EQ needs to be looked at. Or tentacle. Either one. Someone flies and you tentacle just to hit a reflection you didn't see put up prior to them flying. Something isn't right there.
    Shirszae
  • FarrahFarrah Posts: 1,605Member, Secret Squirrel @@ - Legendary Achaean

    Kogan said:
    Farrah said:
    Agree about AoE in ret. Make it hit everyone like with hatred aff. Make trample break half as many limbs in ret.

    I'm fine with aerial personally. It's a weaker evade, only usable outdoors, and we all survived with RoF doing the same.

    @Kythra Ret already adds a soft focus effect to totems. The problem is people just throw it down right after totem hit most of the time.
    The problem I have with it currently is when it's combined with other things. Ret + gravehands or ret + piety. So aerial is a free way out of my distort. Chasing is almost impossible due to gravehands/hinder of enemy. I can tentacle/heila but they'll just fly again for free. So it effectively allows them to sit there and cast holo on dor with no realistic way to counter it if you rush the room. Can try to fly to meet them I guess, but then we're assuming I'm not being dor trampled or some other cheese strat already. Also assuming I'm not going to get screwed by gravehands and waste my time. Even if you look at it from a 1v1 standpoint at the least the EQ needs to be looked at. Or tentacle. Either one. Someone flies and you tentacle just to hit a reflection you didn't see put up prior to them flying. Something isn't right there.

    Yeah. I just like having ways out of room hinder in general, and since RoF was that way for so long, we had already added counters for most circumstances so that it wasn't much of an issue. I don't think I really agree with the decision to revert RoF to begin with. Reasonable minds can differ though.

    In the situation you describe, if you're all being trampled-fked, it probably doesn't matter if Aegoth flies, tumbles, or whatever. You're already going down, and no one can brazier him back if you're all prone. If you're not prone, then I would say heila/tentacle is the counter, yes. Then someone has to paralyse or prone him and keep him from flying again that way.

  • AegothAegoth Posts: 2,227Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Can we like.. leave Aegoth alone? Plenty of other magi to target.
    TysandrAziik
  • AtalkezAtalkez Posts: 4,336Member, Secret Squirrel @@ - Legendary Achaean
    You’re just the scapegoat.

    #NerfAerial2018


    You hug Aurora compassionately.
    ShirszaeKogan
  • MakariosMakarios Posts: 1,644Administrator Achaean staff
    My inclination here is less that retardation needs sweeping changes and more that we just made it a bit too safe to use with the hard LoS into retardation adjustments.
    AsmodronAccipiterOzmatiah
Sign In to Comment.