Quick Combat Questions

Dochitha

Ryzeth said:

Don't fight them is generally a good answer to situations like that.

Don't think so. Personally I especially like fighting classes that dominates me and spend hours reading logs and bugging out my system, and finally I will figure them out. If I can't figure them out, I'd just multiclass that and wait for nerf heh. There's always option to be put to good use to handle a particular situation, instead of not fighting them at all.

Ryzeth

Dochitha said:

Ryzeth said:

Don't fight them is generally a good answer to situations like that.

Don't think so. Personally I especially like fighting classes that dominates me and spend hours reading logs and bugging out my system, and finally I will figure them out. If I can't figure them out, I'd just multiclass that and wait for nerf heh. There's always option to be put to good use to handle a particular situation, instead of not fighting them at all.

You're not contributing to the solution at all. If (as is the case Ahmet proposed) artifacts is the sole reason as to why you can't beat something, then yeah, you don't fight it. There's no magical solution that'll help you, if they're still chunking you that hard, that quickly, despite any amount of hindering your class can do. If you're not a prep class, you're kinda SOL in that situation.

Dochitha

Ahmet said:

How the fuck am I supposed to deal with someone who hits for 21% of my health on a 2.2s balance and can prep both legs in nine seconds, even when I'm full con spec? This is actually stupid. Para/clumsy on every hit plus parry and rebounding didn't even put that much of a dent in it. Why is this okay?

Just tried the SAME exact thing on Knights with good damage mitigation, it doesn't work. So I'd say, the damage is class dependent. Some class suffers damage more than others.

Ryzeth said:

Dochitha said:

Ryzeth said:

Don't fight them is generally a good answer to situations like that.

Don't think so. Personally I especially like fighting classes that dominates me and spend hours reading logs and bugging out my system, and finally I will figure them out. If I can't figure them out, I'd just multiclass that and wait for nerf heh. There's always option to be put to good use to handle a particular situation, instead of not fighting them at all.

You're not contributing to the solution at all. If (as is the case Ahmet proposed) artifacts is the sole reason as to why you can't beat something, then yeah, you don't fight it. There's no magical solution that'll help you, if they're still chunking you that hard, that quickly, despite any amount of hindering your class can do. If you're not a prep class, you're kinda SOL in that situation.

The issue was not about artefacts. It was mainly DW, BM, Monk etc lack of blunt resistance. The same used on knights merely tickles them. The same used on a Shaman, that Shaman just tanked 7 flail doublewhirls in a row and stood up after curing the mangles and tumbling like hell. So no, it's not an artefact issue, and definitely not even close to imbalances. Just class vs class matchup frustrations.

Ryzeth

"The issue was not about artifacts"

>Is artied af.

Dochitha

Adding to that, I do agree artefacts agitate and add to the pain / frustration. But the issue is not merely artefacts to begin with, class dependent resistance play a HUGE role. I am not defending artefacts, just don't put all the blame on artefacts. You can put 50% of blame on artefacts that's fine

Ahmet

If you can do anything close to what you did without bracers and with forged weps, Id be extremely surprised.

Dochitha

Ahmet said:

If you can do anything close to what you did without bracers and with forged weps, Id be extremely surprised.

Of course I can't, arty made a difference. Thought that was your point? Why are we discussing like arties need to be deleted... It's not something reserved / restricted / limited like relics.

Ahmet

It's okay for relics to be super impactful. There's one. It's not okay for artefacts to make it literally impossible to fight back. Nobody's saying they need to be deleted, but they certainly need to be scaled wayyyy the fuck down.

Kenway

Careful @Ahmet, certain people will throw a tantrum and start slinging insults and weeping openly if you suggest balancing the scaling on their toys. I am here to tell you though, @Dochitha isn't one of them, he just happens to have a lot of toys.

Ahmet

Oh I realize Dochitha's not one of those people. Simply pointing out that nobody said they needed to be deleted. And that the relic stuff isn't a good comparison at all.

Kenway

Ahmet said:

Oh I realize Dochitha's not one of those people. Simply pointing out that nobody said they needed to be deleted. And that the relic stuff isn't a good comparison at all.

Also, what class are you fighting him as? I've never fought you do not sure of what advice to give if any. He does about 21% to me in BM outside of Mir but still definitely a winnable fight.

Durian

Pretty sure he's Depthswalker

Ahmet

Depthswalker, yes. He can prep me in the time it takes me to get shadow. If I go straight degen without shadow, I can hinder much better but can't deal enough damage to outspeed his prep. If I go lock strat, I can't reliably stick para to hinder, and get prepped nearly as quickly even sticking clumsy.

I mean, I'm not great, but pretty much every death I've come across has felt entirely avoidable, except for voidfist locks and this. Luckily, voidfist locks are no longer a thing. Perhaps I'm missing something obvious, but I dunno.

Kogan

Ahmet said:

Depthswalker, yes. He can prep me in the time it takes me to get shadow. If I go straight degen without shadow, I can hinder much better but can't deal enough damage to outspeed his prep. If I go lock strat, I can't reliably stick para to hinder, and get prepped nearly as quickly even sticking clumsy.

I mean, I'm not great, but pretty much every death I've come across has felt entirely avoidable, except for voidfist locks and this. Luckily, voidfist locks are no longer a thing. Perhaps I'm missing something obvious, but I dunno.

What are you parrying?

Edit: If he's DWB then expend (left?) arm makes parrying borderline pointless for the next 15 seconds anyways. Id say if he expends left arm leave the room. Try to be smart with your parry. It doesn't take much momentum at all to expend left arm though. So then you'd likely just timeout since you've never get momentum going. Meh. Perhaps a bit of smart chrono shift usage will help you hang in long enough to grab a shadow then you would need to reset the situation completely since your age would be so high.

Dochitha

Actually, shadow distort, tumble through wall on break. Prevents pursue, pretty good defense against and any breaks setup 

Kalila

Ahmet said:

Depthswalker, yes. He can prep me in the time it takes me to get shadow. If I go straight degen without shadow, I can hinder much better but can't deal enough damage to outspeed his prep. If I go lock strat, I can't reliably stick para to hinder, and get prepped nearly as quickly even sticking clumsy.

I mean, I'm not great, but pretty much every death I've come across has felt entirely avoidable, except for voidfist locks and this. Luckily, voidfist locks are no longer a thing. Perhaps I'm missing something obvious, but I dunno.

Voidfist locks are definitely preventable, that's silly. What do you mean they're not a thing? Someone else told me the same thing, then I -- Nothing.

Where do you people get your information from, I want cool sources too.

Farrah

1. Torso combo Kalila.

2. Kalila goes squish.

3. Voidfist locks are no longer a thing.

Best source.

(Accounts here may be slightly exaggerated)

Cooper

Can confirm, Kalila has died in less than 7 hits every time I've fought her. 

Taryius

Anyone know if javelins are bugged? I picked up the proficiency for the lols and trained it fully and the accuracy seems to have never improved.

Consistent testing shows about 1 in 20 shots are hitting.. Which seems impossibly low, even for an inaccurate weapon.

Vika

Hello. I'm a bit new to Depthswalker as a whole. I'm a Human, no traits, no specialisations taken. I'm focused on PvP, but I will likely be hunting for hours on end. 

Can anyone Depthwalkers tell me which trees I should take, how to reset trees, and which artefacts I should take to start?
Thanks!

edit: and which specialisations and traits to take!

Calira

Taryius said:

Anyone know if javelins are bugged? I picked up the proficiency for the lols and trained it fully and the accuracy seems to have never improved.

Consistent testing shows about 1 in 20 shots are hitting.. Which seems impossibly low, even for an inaccurate weapon.

Do you have the relevant Weaponry abilities, too? I get around 80% accuracy with forged javelins at trans

Sobriquet

When you hit with epseth / epteth, does it affect the same side limb first consistently? I assume it does to help with vivi set up but just want to be sure. 

Telinus

@sobriquet left first, then right.

Telinus

So, BM - outside of running and hiding on impale slash, is there any way to prevent dying when proned on a double break with impale slash?

I know I could pre apply, but I remember Maka posting about that not being the preferred method to survive setups.

Kalila

Hi @Telinus!

Today I learned what shockwave is.

+5327|91 +94 +94 +96     100 0/0|8.2/8.9|0/0|10 55.362 [sen HL cl] 
Drawing himself up to his full height, Telinus throws his arms wide. The clouds above roil, then
bolt after bolt of incandescent lightning falls upon you. The world becomes nothing but light and
pain.
+422|7 +94 +95 +96       100 0/0|8.2/8.9|0/0|10 55.624 [sen HL cl]  (-4905h, 84.1%)

It felt very hurtful.

Taryius

Depends on a couple things, but in general it doesn't look good if you get impaleslashed and proned on a setup like that.

Sip mana, not health while impaled. If you're a class with some sort of mana regen ability (Sapience, The Bard Steal mana one, Not sure if monks can use their mana leech one while prone). 

Make sure you have a moss tattoo, maybe moon.. Could make the difference.

You can try tumbling away... Might save you one bladetwist.

If you have room hinder and you know the BM recently burnt their evade, definitely tumble.

Buy Robes of the Magi, heh.

Kalila

Never bother tumbling if you don't have static room hinder, or an icewall up to tumble through.

It just gets you killed even harder.

Exelethril

It could work and buy you 0.2 to >1 secs (counting ping + typing time), if you fake tumble and the other person sucks at typing directions

Ankhareoutef

Cooldown on expert diagnoser?

Ahmet

5 seconds, I think?