Welcome to the Achaea Forums! Please be sure to read the Forum Rules.

PvE Analysis

124»

Comments

  • KryptonKrypton shi-KhurenaPosts: 2,070Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    What about when using the built-in attack commands for a weapon (e.g., WHIP with a whip/lash, rather than GARROTE)? Does Strength apply to all built-in commands?
    (Mhaldor): Herenicus says, "Apologies, I am in-and-out of hold with Verizon wireless customer service."
  • SenaSena Posts: 3,807Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    The WHIP command or any other standard weapon attacks (including inappropriate attacks, like slashing with a bow or whipping with a sword) will use strength and weaponry skill.
    Krypton
  • MindshellMindshell Posts: 165Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Sobriquet said:
    That's interesting. I was told by someone rather knowledgeable that getting strength gauntlets wouldn't increase my hunting damage. 
    You're two-handed last I saw, strength doesn't currently affect your class hunting attacks in the slightest.

    --

    i haven't forgotten this thread, just taken a break to work on other projects.
  • SenaSena Posts: 3,807Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Yeah, rereading this thread it was the knight specs other than DWC that are bugged and aren't benefiting from strength right now (they did originally, so it's almost certainly a bug).
  • SolnirSolnir Posts: 317Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Thank you Sena!
  • TyronTyron Posts: 1Member
    Hey my 1st post!!!!

    Weaponmastery 
    -------------
    * SLAUGHTER, DOUBLEWHIRL, WHIRL, and COMBINATION attacks now all scale with strength when targeted at denizens.

    so they scaled the attacks with strength! 

    so question is dwc still the best for hunting 80+, how the rest stack up now!?


    EverestMathilda
  • MindshellMindshell Posts: 165Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Working through these at the moment. So far for magi only staffcast got a change, stormhsmmer remains unaltered. I'll post consolidated results when it's complete.
    MathildaEverestXias
  • EverestEverest Posts: 14Member
    Very curious to test SnB after work. 
  • KayleKayle Posts: 49Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    edited October 13
    So SnB is still shit. Cool

    And almost a 7% increase p/s for 2h making it much better than DWC. That's even cooler. I like. 
  • LucianusLucianus Posts: 371Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    edited October 13
    SnB still bottom tier, but it's more tolerable now.

    In an era of death capes boosting player health to considerable levels for more tankiness and new crit arties like crit paragons to speed up player bashing. The argument of SNB tankiness, which was what got SNB damage nerfed to hell in the first place, is a lot less relevant now than it was in the past.

    Good to see some more positive changes to SnB though!

    *edit: stupid smartphone autocorrect*
    That is not an ordinary star, my son. That star is the tear of a warrior. A lost soul who has finished his battles somewhere on this planet. A pitiful soul who could not find his way to the lofty realm where the great spirit awaits us all.
  • SolnirSolnir Posts: 317Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    I understand the sentiment of wanting to increase SnB damage output, but if they do that, then the next lowest has room to complain.. then the next, when that one gets buffed, and so on. Don't think we need to start that cycle.
  • LucianusLucianus Posts: 371Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Minus arties though. I think it's decent now.

    Once you start throwing bashing tank arties like the deathcape on though... damage output for faster bashing becomes more important.

    But I guess that brings the question of whether or not players want pve to be balanced around arties or not. Because without arties included into the factor, SnB is probably better than certain non-knight classes like non-artied monks (w/o mind crush) or non-artied blademaster with the recent damage buff from strength now being included in its bashing damage equation.
    That is not an ordinary star, my son. That star is the tear of a warrior. A lost soul who has finished his battles somewhere on this planet. A pitiful soul who could not find his way to the lofty realm where the great spirit awaits us all.
  • FarrahFarrah Posts: 1,366Member, Secret Squirrel @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Solnir said:
    I understand the sentiment of wanting to increase SnB damage output, but if they do that, then the next lowest has room to complain.. then the next, when that one gets buffed, and so on. Don't think we need to start that cycle.

    It's not that SnB is the worst that is the problem. It's just how bad it is compared to everything else. There's not really a good argument that one class should bash at something like 60% the speed of others.
    LucianusShirszaeAnze
  • SolnirSolnir Posts: 317Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    That's the logic I'm talking about though, Farrah. 

    By that logic, why's DW bashing so low?
    (For reference/reminder:
    SnB - Combination (longsword + SoA)
    26.00% dmg, 2.16b (2.40), 12.04% p/s
    DW - Reap
    28.00% dmg, 2.07b (2.30), 13.53% p/s)

    I haven't done the average of all classes/specifications best bashing, I'm just going off glancing through, but if you buff SnB because it's 60% of the average, then DW would be around 70%, give or take? So by that logic, DW would then need a buff because it's 30% (or however much, I'm bad at math) lower than the average.. see where I'm going? 

  • LucianusLucianus Posts: 371Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Then every class would have to be brought up to par. Shouldn't be a competition between classes in pve content. 

    Also have to consider other things beyond the main bashing attack of each class. DW for example, has access to a damage over time battlerage ability and an artie influencing the cool down of its time erasure battlerage ability. All of that makes DW bashing, at least from my experience as a DW, significantly more tolerable compared to my experience with SnB bashing.
    That is not an ordinary star, my son. That star is the tear of a warrior. A lost soul who has finished his battles somewhere on this planet. A pitiful soul who could not find his way to the lofty realm where the great spirit awaits us all.
  • TorinnTorinn Posts: 480Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    edited October 13
    I think priest is still pretty darn low.  I do maaaaybe 7% damage a hit.  Not sure the scale nor what to test on to give a definitive value but I'd hazard it's down there with SnB if not worse
    Deucalion says, "Torinn is quite nice."
  • AlyxeriAlyxeri Posts: 142Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    edited October 13
    Priest is definitely not worse than SnB. Willing to bet it's pretty close to the rest of the classes like Jester / Magi etc, but considerably tankier.
  • ThalakThalak Posts: 25Member ✭✭ - Stalwart
    I don't understand why everyone is complaining so much when there's blademasters out there trying to bash :anguished:
    Mathilda
  • AlyxeriAlyxeri Posts: 142Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Probably because BM damage is relatively on par with others... It's their ability to take damage that sucks.
  • MinifieMinifie Posts: 916Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Some variance in bashing is fine, all classes should be slightly different and there ahould be room for min/maxing, but damn if SnB isn't all kinds of awful. Even with every tanking artie BM still suffers compared to things like runie. 
    Thalak
  • MindshellMindshell Posts: 165Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Depthswalker is one of those classes that goes back to my caveat, through the terminus hunting tree they have access to an increased critical hit rate and a damage debuff which would improve the overall true rate of performance. Also similarly to snb, depthswalker is provided exceptional tools for tanking denizen damage and so it is unsurprising their damage peaks lower than most.
  • SolnirSolnir Posts: 317Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    I understand that and have no issue with DW hunting - my point was just that the idea of "nerf the weakest" is cyclical and would get us nowhere. Which one is the weakest doesn't matter, the cyclical process will still continue.
    Mindshell
  • MizikMizik Posts: 2,026Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    RE: SnB 

    SoA nice.
    image
124»
Sign In to Comment.