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Nerf Shaman

AmranuAmranu Posts: 714Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
Especially bloodlet.

Thanks

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  • AmranuAmranu Posts: 714Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Also this is definitely a fair and balanced way to kill someone

    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/FAp_h9OQ

    DochithaAlcinae
  • DaeirDaeir AustraliaPosts: 6,146Member, Secret Squirrel @@ - Legendary Achaean
    The soulscourge bind on that is the hugest FUCK YOU I've ever seen. Glorious.
    :pleased::pleased:
    RomAmranu
  • KalilaKalila Posts: 86Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    edited March 30
    It felt super fair and balanced from my point of view too, could have survived it though, just.. Never saw that coming.

    Sorry for the awful highlights, I was messing with colors and stuff earlier, and never finished.

    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/--pU96ea

  • TaryiusTaryius Posts: 270Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    That's pretty insane, now especially with room hinder

    Tzantza can't be stopped by anything now.. I'm pretty sure
    Dochitha
  • AegothAegoth Posts: 2,114Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    if you get rid of the blatant automation, shaman isn't bad. auto follow, auto curse, auto tzanza, auto bind.... who the fuck wants to fight an AI
    Valaria
  • AmranuAmranu Posts: 714Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Man if I had an AI I wouldn't have to hammer on my keyboard so much.
    DochithaMathilda
  • AegothAegoth Posts: 2,114Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    cuz that definitely looks like keyboard mashing. video for proof!
    Caelan
  • DochithaDochitha Posts: 996Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    edited March 30
    Aegoth said:
    if you get rid of the blatant auto ftmation, shaman isn't bad. auto follow, auto curse, auto tzanza, auto bind.... who the fuck wants to fight an AI
    I really don't mind. Amramu is legitimately good with shaman. Everyone can write codes but he played shaman the best.

    I agree shaman is op but i can't handle playing the class cos latency and stuffs... And I always double curse the same affs...
  • AnedhelAnedhel Posts: 2,367Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    @Kalila how come you're not using a tree tattoo? :/ 

    You're gonna get smashed vs. an aff class without one. 
  • DochithaDochitha Posts: 996Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Anedhel said:
    @Kalila how come you're not using a tree tattoo? :/ 

    You're gonna get smashed vs. an aff class without one. 
    Just she saves tree for lock. And it is not easy to expect a three mental tzantza soulscourge bind. Who'd expect it comes​ so quick..
  • AtalkezAtalkez Posts: 3,880Member, Secret Squirrel @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Finally someone feels the pain


    You hug Aurora compassionately.
    Amranu
  • AegothAegoth Posts: 2,114Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Dochitha said:
    Aegoth said:
    if you get rid of the blatant auto ftmation, shaman isn't bad. auto follow, auto curse, auto tzanza, auto bind.... who the fuck wants to fight an AI
    I really don't mind. Amramu is legitimately good with shaman. Everyone can write codes but he played shaman the best.

    I agree shaman is op but i can't handle playing the class cos latency and stuffs... And I always double curse the same affs...
    what? thats exactly what amranu did: code shaman. He never played it, his entire offense is automated. 
  • AhmetAhmet Wherever I wanna bePosts: 3,231Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    @Aegoth Yeah, but some classes require more than QUEUE ADD EQBAL DROP HOLOCAUST/FASHION HOLOCAUST x 50
    Huh. Neat.
  • TaryiusTaryius Posts: 270Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Saving tree for Shaman lock won't do too much, since they can deliver anorexia/slickness while you're paralysed so you'll never be able to use tree to cure the soft lock.

    Unless the shaman is locking in a weird way.
    DochithaAnedhelAsmodron
  • KalilaKalila Posts: 86Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    I'll say this: You're all wrong, it was just my reflexes acting up for some reason, have looked into it and fixed!

    Thanks for the tips though :)
  • MindshellMindshell Posts: 162Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    That's definitely faster than it was meant to be. should work like that at 5 affs, not 4.
  • FarrahFarrah Posts: 1,349Member, Secret Squirrel @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited March 30
    Doesn't it require 30 fashions to do that? I don't really think it's even that bad, for a prep setup. It destroys the doll too.

    When does tzantza become an actual (instant) insta and does impatience count as a tzantza aff? (I think it does?)

    Swiftcurse is annoying to deal with in general though, and massively favors automation. So I've always been in favor of getting rid of it (less paralysis then and slower chase).
  • TaryiusTaryius Posts: 270Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    If I remember correctly, 

    Tzantza is 10s long with 1 mental affliction (the affliction pool for Tzantza also includes impatience and addiction).

    It's then reduced by 2s for every other mental on the target, down to instant kill at 6 afflictions


  • CaliraCalira Posts: 271Member, Secret Squirrel ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    The scaling seems to start at 8s and not be linear, so it's around 2.5s at 4 affs, 0.75s at 5, and instant at 6. This means that the bind can sometimes make it impossible to escape a 4-aff Tzantza, which is significantly easier to pull off than 5-affs.
  • DochithaDochitha Posts: 996Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Calira said:
    The scaling seems to start  at 8s and not be linear, so it's around 2.5s at 4 affs, 0.75s at 5, and instant at 6. This means that the bind can sometimes make it impossible to escape a 4-aff Tzantza, which is significantly easier to pull off than 5-affs.
    This is correct. Exactly the figure @Mindshell and I just tested. 
  • TaryiusTaryius Posts: 270Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    The base channel time is still 10s.. Or it should be, as that is what they said in the classleads.

    But damn.. I didn't know it scaled so well, that's pretty brutal now that Shamans have frozen ground and icefort..
  • AtalkezAtalkez Posts: 3,880Member, Secret Squirrel @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I never was clear why they retained swiftcurse when we changed Jinx anyway. It definitely would make this setup a lot different to deal with.


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  • CaliraCalira Posts: 271Member, Secret Squirrel ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Without significant reworks to how curse/jinx work, Shaman would be crippled without swiftcurse. It would take a huge hit both to its prep-based salve locks and to its momentum capabilities, since jinx/curse is an overall slower, less flexible afflicting tool.
  • AmranuAmranu Posts: 714Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Farrah said:
    Doesn't it require 30 fashions to do that? I don't really think it's even that bad, for a prep setup. It destroys the doll too.

    When does tzantza become an actual (instant) insta and does impatience count as a tzantza aff? (I think it does?)

    Swiftcurse is annoying to deal with in general though, and massively favors automation. So I've always been in favor of getting rid of it (less paralysis then and slower chase).
    Yeah, requires 30 fashions and does occasionally allow people to escape. Not very often though, but sometimes.

    Should probably work at 5 instead of 4.
  • LeviticusLeviticus Posts: 220Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Atalkez said:
    I never was clear why they retained swiftcurse when we changed Jinx anyway. It definitely would make this setup a lot different to deal with.
    Because of artefacts? They usually don't like to have to change a artefact. The artefact swiftcurse is what I am referencing.
  • AtalkezAtalkez Posts: 3,880Member, Secret Squirrel @@ - Legendary Achaean
    That did get changed. It increases how long you have your 'charge' for Jinx I believe.


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  • DochithaDochitha Posts: 996Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Cos if swiftcurse is removed, it feels like apostate. But I am not against it. 
  • AtalkezAtalkez Posts: 3,880Member, Secret Squirrel @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Calira said:
    Without significant reworks to how curse/jinx work, Shaman would be crippled without swiftcurse. It would take a huge hit both to its prep-based salve locks and to its momentum capabilities, since jinx/curse is an overall slower, less flexible afflicting tool.
    I'm not sure on this. The entire design of curse/Jinx was to give shaman the same offense without the need for smart aff tracking like swift almost requires. Unless we made a mistake, they should be really comparable routes.


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